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NORTH KOREAN MISSILE WARHEAD FOUND IN ALASKA
Korean Times ^ | March 4, 2003 | Staff Report

Posted on 03/04/2003 8:13:05 AM PST by ewing

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To: longshadow
Wouldn't doubt that.

Could imagine several contingencies wherein they'd have known it was a dummy test warhead and elected to keep quiet about it.

Especially on Billdo's watch.
151 posted on 03/04/2003 9:30:33 AM PST by Quix
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To: finnman69
One might hope but

it would likely have been a vain hope on Dillbo's watch.
152 posted on 03/04/2003 9:31:40 AM PST by Quix
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To: Quix
Wow, we've made it this far and no one has suggested that this is the "object" that NASA saw near the shuttle. This is the missle that shot down the shuttle! [/tinfoil]
153 posted on 03/04/2003 9:35:32 AM PST by Carlucci
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To: Sabertooth
During WWII, the Japanese send a few subs off the US west coast, attached some bombs to some baloons, and send them up. They pretty much all exploded in uninhabited areas, although a couple did start forest fires.

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of the NKs doing something similar, just to make us think their missile capabilities are better than they really are.

154 posted on 03/04/2003 9:37:09 AM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
There's a lot of uncorroborated supposition flying about in this story. --and I agree but---

--- Rep. Edward J. Markey, a Massachusetts Democrat and co-chairman of the Bipartisan Task Force on Nonproliferation, called for a peaceful settlement of the current confrontation, by offering food, energy and other humanitarian aid to the poverty-stricken country, while urging the North to give up its nuclear ambitions.

---Markey had alot to say.

155 posted on 03/04/2003 9:38:39 AM PST by malia
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To: ewing
The Korea Times states the following on their Website: "The Korea Times observes the Press Code of Ethics and the Standard of Conduct of Newspapermen.". ROFL.
156 posted on 03/04/2003 9:39:28 AM PST by hflynn
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To: Calpernia
Moderately Interesting run around, it seems to me.

What did you make of it?
157 posted on 03/04/2003 9:40:39 AM PST by Quix
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To: demsux
We did know about it.. and kept it hush hush.. or tried to at least.
158 posted on 03/04/2003 9:41:35 AM PST by Almondjoy
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To: Mr. Mojo
Unless it was GPS jammed off of an offshore boat?
159 posted on 03/04/2003 9:41:50 AM PST by ewing
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To: ewing
Utter nonsense!
160 posted on 03/04/2003 9:43:53 AM PST by wireman
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To: Calpernia
Thanks for the super map!
161 posted on 03/04/2003 9:45:15 AM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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To: Grampa Dave
 
 
 
 

162 posted on 03/04/2003 9:48:47 AM PST by Rain-maker
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To: Almondjoy
We did know about it.. and kept it hush hush.. or tried to at least.

An ICBM attack on U.S. territory, even if the warhead was a dummy, would've been provocation enough for us to annihilate Kim's regime.

163 posted on 03/04/2003 9:48:54 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: jbstrick
I'll say, I just had to change my BS meters diaper. I had it installed, "just in case," once the anti-Bush rhetoric started.

Looks like it was a good move.
164 posted on 03/04/2003 9:49:48 AM PST by RobRoy
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To: jbind
"Maybe the Admin. is keeping it a secret so as not to distract from Iraq. The kept the info on N.Korea starting up their reactor secret for a couple of months too. If the American people found this out, they would care FAR more about N.Korea and far less about Iraq."

If this is not just another heavy breather alert, then your take would be my guess also.

At any rate, if N.Korea doesn't have this capability right now, they are doing their best to get it.

165 posted on 03/04/2003 9:49:58 AM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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To: ewing
Unless it was GPS jammed off of an offshore boat?

ICBMs can't be GPS jammed -- they don't have guidance systems.

166 posted on 03/04/2003 9:52:00 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: ewing
The proof that this is bs is that Pyonyang is not smoldering.
167 posted on 03/04/2003 9:52:18 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: ewing
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North Korea Missile Warhead Found in Alaska’


The Korea Times
March 04, 2003

By Ryu Jin
Staff Reporter

The warhead of a long-range missile test-fired by North Korea was found in the U.S. state of Alaska, a report to the National Assembly revealed yesterday.

``According to a U.S. document, the last piece of a missile warhead fired by North Korea was found in Alaska,’’ former Japanese foreign minister Taro Nakayama was quoted as saying in the report. ``Washington, as well as Tokyo, has so far underrated Pyongyang’s missile capabilities.’’

The report was the culmination of monthlong activities of the Assembly’s overseas delegation to five countries over the North Korean nuclear crisis. The Assembly dispatched groups of lawmakers to the United States, Japan, China, Russia and European Union last month to collect information and opinions on the international issue.

The team sent to Japan, headed by Rep. Kim Hak-won of the United Liberal Democrats, reported, ``Nakayama said Washington has come to put more emphasis on trilateral cooperation between South Korea, Japan and the United States since it recognized that the three countries are within the range of North Korean missiles.’’

According to the group dispatched to the U.S., American politicians had a wide range of opinions over the resolution of the nuclear issue, from ``a peaceful resolution’’ to ``military response.’’

Doves, such as Rep. Edward J. Markey, a Massachusetts Democrat and co-chairman of the Bipartisan Task Force on Nonproliferation, called for a peaceful settlement of the current confrontation, by offering food, energy and other humanitarian aid to the poverty-stricken country, while urging the North to give up its nuclear ambitions.

Rep. Markey also said the North should return to the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty and the U.S. should make a nonaggression pact with the communist North.

Hardliners, however, warned that the North’s possession of nuclear weapons will instigate a nuclear race in the region, provoking Japan to also acquire nuclear weapons. Rep. Mark Steven Kirk, an Illinois Republican, said the U.S. might have to bomb the Yongbyon nuclear complex should the North try to export its nuclear material to other countries.

Over the controversy concerning the withdrawal of U.S. forces stationed here, most American legislators that the parliamentary delegation met said U.S. troops should stay on the peninsula as long as the Korean people want, the report said.


Source

169 posted on 03/04/2003 9:55:41 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Freeper Caribbean Cruise May 31-June 7, Staterooms As Low As $510 Per Person For Entire Week!)
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To: ewing
bump for later read....
170 posted on 03/04/2003 9:56:07 AM PST by Faith65
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To: RightWhale
That would be news in Alaska. We lose airplanes, people, moose, you name it.

Cheese? Your sister?

171 posted on 03/04/2003 9:59:00 AM PST by null and void
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To: ewing
The ugliest warhead in Pyongyang is/was on the pencil neck of Kim. Maybe it just floated off his neck and drifted our way and ran out of hot air over Alaska. A little work should turn that Charley Brown shaped head into a unique bowling ball.
172 posted on 03/04/2003 10:15:05 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (If Clinton and Carter really want to be helpful, they will volunteer to be human shields in Iraq.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
You got *that* right.

:)

173 posted on 03/04/2003 10:17:49 AM PST by FreeTheHostages (Well, I'm glad to see you've gone from the obscene to the blasphemous for tag lines.)
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To: umgud
"Fired when? Found when?"

And found WHERE in Alaska. It's a big place you know. Some parts of the Aleutians are quite close to Japan and Korea. Of course that also happens to be the place we track Russian and Chinese, and presumably N. Korean missle shots from, Shemya, way out near the end of the Aleutian chain. (~174 degrees EAST Longitude, ~53 degrees North Latitude) It's about 2400 miles from North Korea, within range of the latest NK ballistic missles.

174 posted on 03/04/2003 10:22:05 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Jeff Head
With it coming towards Alaska and impacting there, we would have gone to DEFCON1 and probably returned fire.

Actually that's exactly the direction their last (aknowledged) shot over Japan awhile back would have been heading, so I suppose it's just barely possible some fragment found it's way there. Still it does seem improbable.

175 posted on 03/04/2003 10:24:26 AM PST by El Gato
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To: ewing
Which missile test ?

When was this part found ?

I think this is old information, if true at all, provided for political consumption.

176 posted on 03/04/2003 10:27:19 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Sabertooth
From what I found,I think this ties to the attempted launch of an orbital vehicle by NK in August of 1998. There was speculation that some pieces may have landed in Alaska.

No one ever said WARHEAD pieces.

Your theory proves correct, Saber!
177 posted on 03/04/2003 10:30:24 AM PST by judicial meanz (If you sacrfice your freedom and liberty for a feeling of security, you dont deserve to be free)
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To: Reagan Man
Based on???

Are you saying it's a government mouthpiece?

Are you saying it's a tabloid bottom to top?

Are you saying because it's foreign, it can't be worth reading?

What are you saying when you say the Korean Times is monkey doo doo?

In my experience, foreign newspapers can have varying degrees of being government mouthpieces as well as authentic, accurate, earnest reporting etc. etc.
178 posted on 03/04/2003 10:30:27 AM PST by Quix
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To: Calpernia
"Why are the North Koreans so dangerous?

Because they have type O dongs."

179 posted on 03/04/2003 10:30:30 AM PST by Erasmus
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To: ewing
One freeper on a thread about the Korean missile tests had hinted at something like this.

Said those reports were incomplete and that a missile may have gone further than was being reported.
180 posted on 03/04/2003 10:35:18 AM PST by swarthyguy
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To: Calpernia
Now that is interesting! We know that most of the time when the Clintonistas were flapping their jaws, they were lying. Could this be one of those times? Hmm? Why would the North Koreans try to launch a satellite, verses why would the Clintonites want to cover up for them launching a longer range ballistic missle. (Same thing techincally speaking anyway)
181 posted on 03/04/2003 10:37:31 AM PST by El Gato
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To: KellyAdmirer
North Korea test fires missiles into the sea and the currents run that way.

But missle warheads and fragments thereof don't float esecially well.

182 posted on 03/04/2003 10:39:50 AM PST by El Gato
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To: ewing
Is it for sale on EBAY yet?
183 posted on 03/04/2003 10:40:46 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: hchutch
The ONLY consolation we have is the fact that it was a dud.

Or a dummy. You usually don't use live warheads in tests. Especially not live nukes, but conventional or CBW warheads either. A CBW warhead might be more frajile than an HE or nuke one, so only getting a fragment wouldn't be so surprising.

184 posted on 03/04/2003 10:43:06 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Sabertooth
Probably we picked it up somewhere in the deep blue and snuck it into AK. then we need to apply the old "Finders keepers rule" and pick it apart. I do not think a ballistic missile gets anywhere near AK without our knowlege. If this is true then N. Korea has opened itself up to some serious reprocussions and we got caught with our britches down AGAIN!!
185 posted on 03/04/2003 10:43:45 AM PST by ping jockey (Bite me Allah)
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To: mhking
"Lil' Kim?"

Oh my...(slurp, drool)that is very tight.

186 posted on 03/04/2003 10:48:29 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen (Eat more pork.)
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To: ewing
If I was a beting man, and I am. I would say the NK and Iraq are playing cards against us. I can't wait to see NK's response to our invasion of Iraq......
187 posted on 03/04/2003 10:48:33 AM PST by habaes corpussel
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To: viligantcitizen
Oh my...(slurp, drool)that is very tight.

Don't get me wrong, she's got enough plastic inside to make a Barbie doll, but hey, she's easy enough on the eyes...

188 posted on 03/04/2003 10:49:48 AM PST by mhking (Message to Axis of Weasels: Get in, sit down, shut up, & hold on...)
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To: Stefan Stackhouse
They pretty much all exploded in uninhabited areas,

There were some picnickers killed by one of these balloon bombs; it was one or two people, as I've read. Not totally innocuous.

189 posted on 03/04/2003 10:50:43 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Carlucci
Have I been letting my tinfoil duties slip? Oh dear!

There's looney and then there's looney.

I wouldn't doubt that NKorea alone would have pulled deliberate or accidental stunts that would have left a test nose cone or warhead or component in some of the vast reaches of Alaska.

I wouldn't doubt that China could pull puppet strings with them to result in the same scenarios.

I wouldn't doubt that our government--even under beloved Bush cold have a range of reasons to pretend to ignore such things.

What the facts are is a whole 'nother range of speculations at this point.

But NKorea is a huge hazard. China is an even bigger danger but not quite as crazy and unpredictable. China will move lots of little pieces of the puzzle under the table until they are ready to spring their trap(s). They will use NKorea in the riskier, more public, probing sorts of ways.
190 posted on 03/04/2003 10:51:08 AM PST by Quix
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To: John H K
the ONLY army in the world that vaccinates all its soldiers against smallpox

That would be Israel, as I recall.

191 posted on 03/04/2003 10:52:31 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Poohbah
Apparently this is debris from their 1998 satellite launch attempt.

Or from what the Clintonites told us was a satellite launch attempt. There seemed to be some question about that at the time, even just reading between the lines in the DoD/Bacon daily brief linked above.

192 posted on 03/04/2003 10:53:00 AM PST by El Gato
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To: El Gato
Or from what the Clintonites told us was a satellite launch attempt. There seemed to be some question about that at the time, even just reading between the lines in the DoD/Bacon daily brief linked above.

I'm just going with the DPRK's own statement that they made at launch time, not relying at all on the Clintonites.

193 posted on 03/04/2003 10:56:41 AM PST by Poohbah (Beware the fury of a patient man -- John Dryden)
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To: ewing
If that's the case, we ought to show the NKs what a REAL ICBM does, and then repeat the results, oh, 50-100 times.
194 posted on 03/04/2003 11:01:03 AM PST by steveegg (The Surgeon General has determined that siding with Al-Qaeda is hazardous to your continued rule.)
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To: ewing
Let's see if the environmentalists complain to North Korea about how this could impact the caribou mating patterns.
195 posted on 03/04/2003 11:02:39 AM PST by weegee
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To: Jonathon Spectre
ping
196 posted on 03/04/2003 11:05:17 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: putupon
That'll finally get the lefties POed when they realize N. Korea can hit ANWR.

NAWWWWWW.

Lefties have neither brains nor consciences. They'll just relabel it as a generous effort on the part of the NK thugs to clean up after the North Slope oil interests.

197 posted on 03/04/2003 11:06:45 AM PST by Quix
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To: All
Partial transcript of Defense Department Briefing, 17 September, 1998:

Kenneth Bacon, Presenter:

(Initial Announcements)


With that, I'll take your questions.

Q: Could you clarify for us, there are reports out of Japan that part of this North Korean missile might have landed near Alaska. Do you have any information about that?

A: I have no information about it. First of all, as I understand it the only way we have to trace the debris of this missile is through radar tapes, and there is considerable disagreement within our own intelligence community as to how to interpret these tapes. We are continuing, our analysts are continuing, to meet to try to reach a consensus position on this and other questions stemming from that August 31st missile launch.

Q: Is there any evidence that there was a warhead that might have gotten...

A: I'm not aware that there is any evidence of a warhead.

Q: On the same point, I guess I'm confused about your statement that there is considerable disagreement in our own intelligence community because the State Department I believe has already publicly said they believe it was an attempted yet failed satellite launch, and I believe this Department said the same thing.
A: I'm talking about the dispersion of the debris. The question Susanne asked dealt with the dispersion of the debris from the missile.
Q: But there's no disagreement about what it was.

A: We believe that they tried and failed to launch a satellite. That hasn't changed.

Q: Will you then just explain a little bit further the question of the disagreement over the dispersal of the debris field. Can you quantify the ranges where the disagreement is? Nautical miles versus nautical miles?

A: No, I don't choose to do that. It's a disagreement on interpreting data at this stage. It could well be resolved. But I don't think whether it went X or X plus 1,000 kilometers is really relevant. What's relevant here is what I stressed last Tuesday and what the State Department has stressed as well, is that that three stage missile with a solid fuel third stage was an advance that shows they have greater capability to fire payloads over longer distances. That is worrisome to us. We are engaged in missile talks with the North Koreans, and we hope that we can succeed in those talks, in convincing them not to continue. But North Koreans are not easy to deal with on these issues.

Q: Is there disagreement about whether this third stage actually reentered the atmosphere or whether it simply burned up and never reentered?

A: That, I believe, is part of the disagreement -- exactly what happened to the third stage.

Q: Whether there was reentry?

A: Well, whether any debris actually reached the ocean.

Q: You said Tuesday that based on the information you had, you estimated the capability of the North Korean missile at 4,000 to 6,000 kilometers which would put it in the range of Alaska going in that direction. So I'm a little confused as to what the disagreement is about the debris field near Alaska. What's the disagreement...

A: I didn't say anything about anything near Alaska. I didn't talk about Alaska. Depending on the path the missile took, where it was aimed, it would go different places.

Our belief is that they attempted to launch a satellite and failed.

I was asked a specific question about dispersion of debris and I said that that is still being analyzed by the experts who pay attention to this stuff.

The dispersion of the debris is not necessarily an indication of what the reach of this or any other missile would be. The reach of a missile is a combination of a number of factors. One is the amount of fuel it carries, which determines how quickly it accelerates, what velocity it attains. The second is the weight of the missile, specifically the weight of the payload. There's also consideration of what that might be, how much the payload might have weighed in this situation. It takes a huge engine, a large rocket to launch a large payload, and a much smaller rocket to launch a smaller payload over whatever your distance range is.

I suppose you could make an analogy to a race car. There are three considerations. You could have a huge engine on a heavy race car that would be slower than a comparably sized engine on a much lighter race car, so the size of the engine, the propulsive unit and the weight of the vehicle are both factors. A third factor would be the solidity or strength of your vehicle. If you had a huge engine on a very light race car, it would go very fast but it would fall apart if it weren't strong. It would shake apart. So another aspect is the strength of the vehicle and its ability to withstand pressures, both going up and coming down.

So there are a number of considerations here that come into play in determining what the capability of this missile or rocket would be and the effectiveness of its payload.

Suffice it to say it is our conclusion, and we've said this many times, that what they attempted to do was a failure. They attempted, by their own admission, to launch a satellite and we believe they failed.

Q: Does the Pentagon believe that the solid fuel capability was indigenously developed or acquired?

A: I think that we do not have a theory on that at this stage.

Q: Is there still any evidence that the North Koreans, any evidence of activity around that launch site that could indicate preparation for another launch?

A: Not that I'm aware of. No.

Q: Is this missile and the dispersion patterns and all of that the reason for Mr. Hamre's sudden trip...

A: No. That trip I believe had been planned before. He's going to both Japan and Korea. He's meeting with troops in both places. As you know, we have 100,000 troops forward deployed in Asia, about 100,000 troops, and he's going to meet with some of those troops.


Methinks the Clinton regime concealed this little bit of information for the future President to fix too.



198 posted on 03/04/2003 11:10:02 AM PST by judicial meanz (If you sacrfice your freedom and liberty for a feeling of security, you dont deserve to be free)
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To: ewing
"According to a United States document, 'The last piece of a missile warhead fired by North Korea was found in Alaska,' former Japanese Prime Minister Taro Nakayama was quoted as saying in the report."

"IF" this is true, folk have been saying this for a long time.

199 posted on 03/04/2003 11:10:40 AM PST by habaes corpussel
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To: dead
LOL! Bat Boy!!!
200 posted on 03/04/2003 11:36:04 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm SO glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government.)
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