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Freep this poll over Right-to-carry. We're getting our @$$'$ kicked!!
St. Louis Post-Dispatch ^ | March 5, 2003

Posted on 03/05/2003 7:49:55 PM PST by Missouri

Question of the day:

The concealed weapon debate is back in Missouri. Who do you think should be able to carry them? No one Anyone with the proper training and no criminal background Anyone with the proper training, regardless of background Everyone over 21, regardless of training or background

(Excerpt) Read more at stltoday.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: Illinois; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: 2ndadmendment; banglist; concealandcarry; crime; freep; guncontrol; liberalbias; missouri; postdispatch; righttocarry; stlouis
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I don't like the way the options are layed out.
1 posted on 03/05/2003 7:49:55 PM PST by Missouri
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To: Missouri
I just got on the computor after a long day at work. I wish I got have seen this earlier.
2 posted on 03/05/2003 7:52:08 PM PST by Missouri
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To: *bang_list
bang
3 posted on 03/05/2003 7:54:01 PM PST by Djarum
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To: Missouri
Every two votes that I vote bumps the percentage up one point. It looks like not many people have voted.
4 posted on 03/05/2003 7:55:25 PM PST by BlessedBeGod
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To: *FREEP!
bump
5 posted on 03/05/2003 7:56:01 PM PST by Djarum
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To: BlessedBeGod
poll needs HELP
6 posted on 03/05/2003 7:57:39 PM PST by shootist
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To: Missouri
Is there a website that lists C&C laws on a state-by-state basis?

Thanks, c's_s

7 posted on 03/05/2003 7:58:40 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: Missouri
Freeped, but the "No one" crowd is doing their part as well. Any poll that doesnt show you the actual count is suspect anyway. But I can click every second or so registering votes without it loading the results page.
8 posted on 03/05/2003 7:59:43 PM PST by Tatze (Give Pizza Chants!)
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To: BlessedBeGod
>>It looks like not many people have voted.<<



I think your right. Circulation of this paper has been going down. It is very left-wing.
9 posted on 03/05/2003 8:00:52 PM PST by Missouri
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To: Tatze
bump
10 posted on 03/05/2003 8:01:03 PM PST by shootist
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To: shootist
Freep-BUMP!
11 posted on 03/05/2003 8:02:19 PM PST by RandallFlagg (MustFReepMustFReepMustFReepMustFReepMustFReepMustFReep)
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To: cicero's_son
I've seen it but forget what the title was.
12 posted on 03/05/2003 8:02:56 PM PST by Missouri
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To: Tatze
can't get the poll to allow votes now....
13 posted on 03/05/2003 8:05:01 PM PST by philomath (from the state of franklin)
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To: shootist
I think we're freeping different choices. But the "no one" total is below 45% now.
14 posted on 03/05/2003 8:05:55 PM PST by Tatze (Give Pizza Chants!)
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To: Missouri
Getting better now.
15 posted on 03/05/2003 8:06:02 PM PST by Noslrac
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To: Missouri
I just located it on Google.

It's called http://www.packing.org

16 posted on 03/05/2003 8:06:25 PM PST by cicero's_son
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To: Tatze
We're doing beter by the minute. It was about 75% for "no one" when I first came across the poll.
17 posted on 03/05/2003 8:06:28 PM PST by Missouri
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To: Missouri
This is really unbelievable. What a group.

In less than 5 minutes we've tanked the poll. From 74%/24% to nearly 50%/50% and some enthusiasits are even running up the no holds bared choice.

I love it!

18 posted on 03/05/2003 8:06:48 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Tatze
The last one is basically the 2nd one except it has "training." By definition a resident of missouri has to have a background check done to buy a handgun. Not that the Post Dispatch would care.
19 posted on 03/05/2003 8:07:58 PM PST by Noslrac
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To: cicero's_son
Try www.packing.org

They're pretty accurate.
20 posted on 03/05/2003 8:08:17 PM PST by TC Rider (The United States Constitution 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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To: Amerigomag
VOTE, VOTE, VOTE
21 posted on 03/05/2003 8:09:04 PM PST by shootist
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To: Missouri
We're getting our @$$'$ kicked!!

Not now we're not. :-) I agree those are really lame questions. I put my vote down for the extreme libertarian view even though I don't fully agree with it.

22 posted on 03/05/2003 8:09:22 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Tatze
>>But the "no one" total is below 45% now.<<


All we can ask for is to bring the "no one" down as far as possible before they pull the plug on the poll. It was up to 75% when I first noticed it.
23 posted on 03/05/2003 8:09:30 PM PST by Missouri
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To: Missouri
anyone just see that huge change???
24 posted on 03/05/2003 8:11:07 PM PST by Noslrac
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To: Missouri
Someone seriously rigged that poll. The "no one" choice suddenly went from 35% to 58% in about 30 seconds. I guess the lefty editors didn't like the results.
25 posted on 03/05/2003 8:12:29 PM PST by GnL
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To: Noslrac
Yes. "no one" jumped up 20 points.
26 posted on 03/05/2003 8:12:59 PM PST by Tatze (Give Pizza Chants!)
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To: Noslrac
Its fluctuating 10% back and forth with each refresh...
27 posted on 03/05/2003 8:13:13 PM PST by Noslrac
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To: Missouri
bump
28 posted on 03/05/2003 8:13:21 PM PST by shootist
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To: Tribune7
>>We're getting our @$$'$ kicked!!<<


I'll admit I was in a state of panic when I first posted this thread.
This leftist newspaper layed on the propaganda on real thick back in 1999 when the vote went against us in a close vote with probable voter fraud in St. Louis City.



29 posted on 03/05/2003 8:14:33 PM PST by Missouri
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To: Missouri
Neither do I, but I voted anyway.
30 posted on 03/05/2003 8:15:09 PM PST by Taxman
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To: Noslrac
anyone just see that huge change???

Yup. A DU counterattack.

Always happens.

31 posted on 03/05/2003 8:15:53 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Missouri
Hey!
They're onto us!
I just hit it and the No Ones are ahead 50%-35%!
32 posted on 03/05/2003 8:16:39 PM PST by MIgramma
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To: Amerigomag
http://www.komu.com/html/epoll.html here's another. looks a little better.
33 posted on 03/05/2003 8:18:36 PM PST by Noslrac
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To: Missouri
I can't believe a southern state is even debating this. You guys need to propose a law saying that just St Louis should allow noone to carry/own weapons.

See who whines then :-)
34 posted on 03/05/2003 8:20:35 PM PST by VeniVidiVici
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To: VeniVidiVici
Even if it passes both house and senate, one term bob holden (who seems to be in yet another scandal) has said he won't sign it.
35 posted on 03/05/2003 8:22:30 PM PST by Noslrac
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To: Missouri
thats 20 votes for our side from ping jockey.`
36 posted on 03/05/2003 8:24:15 PM PST by ping jockey (Bite me Allah)
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To: Missouri
Looking better now.
37 posted on 03/05/2003 8:24:30 PM PST by thepitts (We The People)
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To: Missouri
Well the good guys are winning, but (from the poll):

"Surveys are unscientific and for entertainment only."

Bingo!

38 posted on 03/05/2003 8:25:18 PM PST by Doomonyou (Don't panic...)
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To: Missouri
I don't like the way the options are layed out.

Classic, dishonest, divide-and-conquer poll design: one negative choice and three positive choices.

Exactly the same way Clinton got elected; too many conservatives voted for Perot -- effectively splitting the conservative vote.

39 posted on 03/05/2003 8:26:07 PM PST by TXnMA ((No Longer!!!))
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To: TXnMA
bump
40 posted on 03/05/2003 8:44:01 PM PST by shootist
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>>Classic, dishonest, divide-and-conquer poll design: one negative choice and three positive choices<<



This doesn't surprise me. A leftist view from a leftist paper. But we do the best we can.

To everybody who voted pro 2nd Admendment. Thanks and goodnight.
41 posted on 03/05/2003 8:49:21 PM PST by Missouri
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To: Missouri
Question of the day:

The concealed weapon debate is back in Missouri. Who do you think should be able to carry them?
No one 20%

Anyone with the proper training and no criminal background 58%

Anyone with the proper training, regardless of background 0%

Everyone over 21, regardless of training or background 20%



I like the result. But as usual, they water down the conservative results.
42 posted on 03/05/2003 8:51:12 PM PST by freedumb2003
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To: Missouri
done
43 posted on 03/05/2003 8:55:02 PM PST by Cate (LET FREEDOM RING!!!!)
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To: Missouri
I voted for anyone over 21 with no criminal background. Ooops! They did not give us that option did they.
44 posted on 03/05/2003 8:56:31 PM PST by MissBaby
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Voted. 62% for 'trained and no criminal background'.
45 posted on 03/05/2003 9:16:26 PM PST by potlatch (Just think of it as "choosing to abort Saddam"! Dennis Miller)
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"Anyone with the proper training and no criminal background 62%"

Is good.. missouri should have gotten it last time ..

46 posted on 03/05/2003 9:21:46 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: MissBaby
I do have a problem with violent sex offenders owning guns..as well as others..
47 posted on 03/05/2003 9:23:12 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: Missouri
Question of the day:

The concealed weapon debate is back in Missouri. Who do you think should be able to carry them?
No one 17%

Anyone with the proper training and no criminal background 62%

Anyone with the proper training, regardless of background 0%

Everyone over 21, regardless of training or background 20%

48 posted on 03/05/2003 9:29:23 PM PST by tarawa
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To: Missouri
Freeped!
49 posted on 03/05/2003 9:30:34 PM PST by Kay Soze (F France and Germany- They are our enemies.)
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To: cicero's_son
http://www.packing.org
50 posted on 03/05/2003 9:43:02 PM PST by c-b 1
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