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[a_Turk]

KADEK is the new name of PKK. This is a Kurdish terrorist organization, listed as such by the US DoS. This organization has ties to the leaders of the PUK nad the KDP in northern Irak.

Turkey has been exposed to terrorism for years that has never been experienced before in any country. This terrorism has shown itself in various forms. Unfortunately, in the end thousands of our innocent people have lost their lives (approx 36000), thousands of people have become disabled, and economic loss worth of millions (that's really billions) of dollars has been realized.

Foreword

Part 1 - Caution: Graphic content

Part 2 - Caution: Graphic content

Part 3 - Caution: Graphic content

[Tailback]

So you're telling me that the Greek speaking emperors of Byzantium never put up heads on pikes at the city gates? I wonder if all those writers of history know they're wrong? Maybe they should have checked with you first.

[montag813]

Please send these links to your representatives. You don't know what you're getting yourselves into...

Yes, but all Turkey had to do was stand with us instead of embarrassing us and putting more of our men at risk. Then we would shaft the Kurds again like we did in '91, and give Turkey a nice piece of the Northen Iraq oil action. By pissing off Bush and Rumsfeld, the Turks are pushing us into the arms of the Kurds. It would be most helpful if a new vote could be scheduled this week, and this time the PM needs to insist on party loyalty.

[a_Turk]

>> there will be hell to pay

Yes indeed.. Regardless.

[fso301]

I'll check out the links later.

[a_Turk]

Decapitation was the preferred method of execution throughout Europe for a long, long time..

I'd volunteer for the job of chopping Usame's head off.

Chop!!

You're trying to somehow justify the deeds of these terrorists, aren't you?

Tisk, tisk, tisk...

[a_Turk]

>> Then we would shaft the Kurds again like we did in '91

You're missing the point.

The *Kurds* will be shafted by US support for their terrorist leaders..

Hey, weren't you a German just a few weeks ago? Wonderful things those hyphens...

Sag mal, schaemst du dich nicht?

[Travis McGee]

the Turks, in their war against the PKK and other Kurdish separatists, were the only regular army in modern history to defeat a native, insurgent force in mountainous terrain.

Say what you want, nobody EVER accused the Turkish military of being composed of sissies and softies!

[donmeaker]

I would rather have the EU begin with at least a semi democratic structure. As it is, France and Germany are shutting themselves down, taxing their people out of existance, and admitting Muslims to do the work. It won't be long before France and Germany are no longer Christian, to the extent that they are. France is officially atheist, but is beginning to provide goverment funds for mosques. Germany is catholic, or lutheran but mostly neither.

It would be a wonderful thing if they would lower their tax rates, grow their economy, and support larger families. That way the most adventurous Europeans could move to the Middle East, and help those economies grown in a productive and peaceful way. As it is now, the French and Germans are caught in a cycle of providing weapons so we can destroy them.

[Lurker]

You can read more about Turkeys official policy of exterminating Armenians here

I warn you, it's pretty graphic.

Regards,

L

[Travis McGee]

Terrorists who target innocent civilians deserve no more than a bullet, and only if you are in a merciful mood.

[Travis McGee]

No question. But it was a long time ago, even if Turkey has never 'fessed up.

[a_Turk]

>> Turkish regimes killed from 3,500,000 to over 4,300,000 Armenians, Greeks, Nestorians, and other Christians.

Aaah, these figures must have been kept in a glass house and watered over the winter. Again.

No wonder we lost the war. We were too busy killing off our own population!

Now I finally understand.

[Mortimer Snavely]

Read your Rummel again. The idea that a bureaucratically administered mass-murder is, as he is forced to admit, hard to assert. Even though he is convinced that it occurred (!)

As Rummel states:

"This wholly genocidal killing is difficult to unravel. During this period Turkey fought five wars, forcefully changed governments several times, endured major revolutionary changes, and was occupied by foreign powers. Suffering deportations, famine, exposure, war, genocide, and massacres, millions of Turkish Moslems, Armenians, Greeks, and other Christians died."

It is my opinion that most of this Turkish genocide thing is a lot of rehashed Soviet propaganda from the Cold War, still popularized to give pressure groups a reason to exist. No one anywhere doubts that a lot of people died. What we are expeced to believe, though, is that there was a bureaucratically administered mass murder. This, I argue, is physically impossible given the infrastructure of the Ottoman state at the time.

Ultimately, this sort of thing makes the PKK more palatable to the West, which is what I consider its raison d'étre.

[piasa]

I think I had enoughof the PKK just with that one idiotic poster who was banned a while back, the gal who compared her cause to that of American Indians. I'm glad she's not in control of a country.

[irish guard]

>>>>>Not being able to get the US to sign the agreement reached, photo reports of militias of terror supporting leaders in northern Irak getting armed by the US, and a US DoS SNAFU all contributed to the decision of those 27%. <<<<
WEll there may truly have been a DoS snafu, but I guess I don't care. When we Americans begin to hear Turks complain once the fighting starts, we will have little sympathy. Over the years and recently, I think the U.S. has been very good to Turkey. We certainly held up our end of the NATO bargain and it seemed like we were being held for ransom on the cost of deploying our troops. You surely seemed to be concerned about potential Iraqi attrocities against your country and these are the thanks we get for supporting Turkey??? Personally, I have no animosity toward your country, but I also don't really care what happens as a consequence of your Parliament's failure to vote in favor. Sorry to have to state it that way.

[a_Turk]

>> Over the years and recently, I think the U.S. has been very good to Turkey.

We've been allies, and have covered each other for the past 50 years.

Not withstanding the occasional hiccup, we've both been good to and for each other.

But I do share your feelings about the ridiculous vote in parliament. It was short-sighted, to say the least.

[irish guard]

Life goes on....we will eliminate Hussein in Iraq and still try to befriend a friend that temporarily left us in a time of need. Like all friendships that have had some arguments, let us hope we can mend our differences.

[a_Turk]

You may not be aware that your ships are unloading and your equipment (except tanks and artillery) are moving to ward northern Irak thanks to an obscure clause included in the base modernization bill that was passed a month or so ago.

Civilians may be showing indignation on both sides, but our militaries are seeing eye to eye. That's nothing new. Business as usual.

[irish guard]

Actually, I did know that we have bases there and are adding to the numbers, but it ain't the 60,000 troops and mechanized divisions that we wanted....oh well.