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Posted on 03/06/2003 2:18:15 PM PST by a_Turk

KADEK is the new name of PKK. This is a Kurdish terrorist organization, listed as such by the US DoS. This organization has ties to the leaders of the PUK nad the KDP in northern Irak.

Turkey has been exposed to terrorism for years that has never been experienced before in any country. This terrorism has shown itself in various forms. Unfortunately, in the end thousands of our innocent people have lost their lives (approx 36000), thousands of people have become disabled, and economic loss worth of millions (that's really billions) of dollars has been realized.

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Part 1 - Caution: Graphic content

Part 2 - Caution: Graphic content

Part 3 - Caution: Graphic content


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: eu; irak; iran; iraq; kadek; kdp; kirkuk; kurds; pkk; puk; syria; terror; turkey; usa
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Please send these links to your representatives. You don't know what you're getting yourselves into...
1 posted on 03/06/2003 2:18:15 PM PST by a_Turk
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To: a_Turk
Bout the only advice we can give ya’ll now is to hold on…
2 posted on 03/06/2003 2:22:08 PM PST by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: a_Turk
Oops, only part one has graphic content.
3 posted on 03/06/2003 2:23:30 PM PST by a_Turk (Lookout, lookout,, the candyman!)
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To: a_Turk
What do you think we should do?
4 posted on 03/06/2003 2:24:23 PM PST by wolf24
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To: a_Turk
Yes, we do know what we're getting into.
5 posted on 03/06/2003 2:25:38 PM PST by Bryan24
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To: a_Turk
Yes, we do know what we're getting into.
6 posted on 03/06/2003 2:27:22 PM PST by Bryan24
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To: a_Turk
This country has a regrettable history of making the most inappropriate alliances, and then wandering around like a deer in the headlights, going, "What happened?" when these erstwhile allies go off & commit some new mayhem. Vietnam, El Salvador, Nicaragua, the mujahadeen in Afghanistan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, the list goes on. Now the Kurds, apparently.

Has the Turkish military made any progress in prodding the Parliament?

7 posted on 03/06/2003 2:30:40 PM PST by valkyrieanne
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To: valkyrieanne
>> Has the Turkish military made any progress in prodding the Parliament?

I haven't seen anything new. I suggest that in doing that the military would be seen in interfereing in the elections to be held this coming Sunday.

I'll post any news I can find soon as I do.
8 posted on 03/06/2003 2:33:50 PM PST by a_Turk (Lookout, lookout,, the candyman!)
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To: a_Turk
Protecting Turkish democracy is far more important to the U.S. than allowing the U.S. to have full access to open a northern front in Iraq. This would not have been a good time for the military to step in and correct the civil authorities in Turkey.
9 posted on 03/06/2003 2:42:46 PM PST by Kaisersrsic
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To: a_Turk
Didn't I see earlier today that equipment is transiting Turkey for N. Iraq, and troops will be flying in to link up in Free N. Iraq? No invasion force needs be staged in Turkey if we just scoot on through...

Hey Saddam, we're over here! (Kuwait) No, over here! (N. Iraq) No, over here! (Jordan) No, over here! (W. Saudi)....

10 posted on 03/06/2003 2:55:21 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Peace is Good, Freedom is Better!)
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To: 11B3; 2Trievers; alethia; AM2000; another cricket; ARCADIA; Archie Bunker on steroids; Aric2000; ...
Caution. Part 1 contains yucchy pictures of victims of the PKK..
11 posted on 03/06/2003 3:07:08 PM PST by a_Turk (Lookout, lookout,, the candyman!)
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To: a_Turk
Bump.
12 posted on 03/06/2003 3:18:59 PM PST by Mortimer Snavely (Is anyone else tired of reading these tag lines?)
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To: Bryan24
Just imagine.....we have the technology to accurately
guide each one of those to specific separate targets.


JDAMS being loaded onto a B-52
13 posted on 03/06/2003 3:36:07 PM PST by AdA$tra (All we are saying ....is give war a chance)
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To: a_Turk
The folks here who are calling for the creation of Kurdistan in order to get revenge on Turkey don't know what they're talking about. They're the same crowd that has been calling for months now to nuke Mecca.

It's completely ignorant of the realities of the situation, and it completely ignores the long-term consequences. But, what are you going to do? It's doubtful they are interested in being educated. Fortunately, we do have a highly-skilled foreign policy team at the White House, and they seem to be doing pretty well so far.

14 posted on 03/06/2003 3:39:26 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: a_Turk
Thankyou for the links. I'm going through them.

I am sympathetic to the Kurdish situation in Iraq, as you may have gathered, but in no way am I sympathetic to the PKK. Their tactics are reminiscent of the tactics of the Viet Cong. Anyone that purposely targets innocents has already lost their souls. And whatever you have to do to get the guys that do these things is also just fine with me.

A handful of misfits attacked us, and killed 3000 innocents, maybe a tenth of what Turkey has suffered, and we are going to chase them down to the ends of the earth. I expect no less of Turkey. We have to distinguish between the ones that did this, and the ones that didn't. And one of the things we have to do is drain the swamp, so to speak, which is part of what drives us in Afghanistan, and part of what drives us in Iraq.

It gets complicated. We are trying to separate the Pashtuns from the Taliban, and we are trying to separate the Kurds from the PKK. It gets tricky, because if you kill the wrong people you just create more recruits. But while you try to find common cause where you can, and try to avoid doing more harm than good, you still have to identify and find the killers and kill them.

15 posted on 03/06/2003 3:42:40 PM PST by marron
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To: a_Turk
Hey, got any links to photos of those Armenians you guys slaughtered?

I know I'd be interested in those...

L

16 posted on 03/06/2003 3:43:57 PM PST by Lurker (When I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you.)
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To: AdA$tra
16 GBU-32 JDAM (2000lbs)
80 GBU-30 JDAM (500lbs)

Can you imagine a flight of 10 B-2s flying over a city and releasing 800 500lb bombs on one bomb run?
18 posted on 03/06/2003 4:45:24 PM PST by Bryan24
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To: Lurker
Here you go:

The Armenian Issue - Photo Album

19 posted on 03/06/2003 5:21:36 PM PST by Turk2 (Dulce bellum inexpertis)
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To: a_Turk
Thank you for posting this. God bless those poor people. We make a giant mistake (and an evil one) if we get in bed with terrorists.
20 posted on 03/06/2003 5:26:25 PM PST by ellery
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To: marron
>> I am sympathetic to the Kurdish situation in Iraq

So am I...
21 posted on 03/06/2003 5:33:46 PM PST by a_Turk (Lookout, lookout,, the candyman!)
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To: valkyrieanne
This country has a regrettable history of making the most inappropriate alliances ...

THIS assumes, in 100% hindsight *now*, that we knew CLEARLY that things would EVENTUALLY head SOUTH.

Such is not the case - so much of LIVING is making the *best* decision at the time given what information is available.

22 posted on 03/06/2003 5:51:06 PM PST by _Jim (//NASA has a better safety record than NASCAR\\)
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23 posted on 03/06/2003 5:52:10 PM PST by Bob J (Join the FR Network! Educate, Motivate, Activate!)
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To: a_Turk
The photos stun me.

Turks in small villages are warm, open, incredibly generous people. Targeting them for political purposes is like beating a puppy because of a bad day at work. I truly pray that at the end of the process we're starting over there, this terrorism too will be reined in. Surely Saddam's presence is not helping any of this.
24 posted on 03/06/2003 6:18:02 PM PST by ChemistCat (Zen and the benzene ring)
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To: ChemistCat
>> Surely Saddam's presence is not helping any of this.

Nor are Talabani and Barzani..
25 posted on 03/06/2003 6:32:45 PM PST by a_Turk (Lookout, lookout,, the candyman!)
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To: Allan
Ping
26 posted on 03/06/2003 6:54:10 PM PST by Nogbad
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To: a_Turk
I wonder what happened to Ochalan. Did he ever get the death penalty?
27 posted on 03/06/2003 7:41:44 PM PST by RecentConvert
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To: RecentConvert
Ocalan was given the death penalty, which was then commuted to life after Turkey abolished the death penalty about 8? months ago..

Ocalan recently appealed to the European Human Rights Court on grounds that he had been mistreated, but the court found against him on that.

That varmin's gonna rot..
28 posted on 03/06/2003 7:51:52 PM PST by a_Turk (Lookout, lookout,, the candyman!)
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To: Turk2
I prefer this one:

Turkish Genocide

How many Armenians did you guys murder? Was it one million or was it two million....

L

29 posted on 03/06/2003 8:03:35 PM PST by Lurker (When I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you.)
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To: a_Turk
WE Americans are still stunned by the failure of your country's government to allow our soldiers to use Turkey as a northern base. Just a month ago, we twisted arms among our European allies to make sure that if attacked, NATO would protect you. For this we get held up for ransom and your Parliament votes us down.

No offense, but sheesh that sucked and we are upset. It won't stop us, but doggone it, that is not the kind of friendship we take kindly to. What was the Parliament thinking?

30 posted on 03/06/2003 8:11:19 PM PST by irish guard
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To: Lurker
>> Was it one million or was it two million....

The number keeps changing, so I don't know.

How many Native Americans did you murder?
31 posted on 03/06/2003 8:20:29 PM PST by a_Turk (Lookout, lookout,, the candyman!)
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To: irish guard
>> WE Americans are still stunned by the failure of your country's government to allow our soldiers to use Turkey as a northern base.

So am I, stunned. There were a variety of considerations.

The minority party in Parliament saw the anti-populist position of the ruling party as an opportunity to wrest votes.

The reasons 27% of the parliamentarians of the ruling party did not toe the party line were varied. All who defied the party line were first and foremost worried about their votes. Not being able to get the US to sign the agreement reached, photo reports of militias of terror supporting leaders in northern Irak getting armed by the US, and a US DoS SNAFU all contributed to the decision of those 27%.

Too bad. This was going to be our nations' chance to get much closer.. Good luck.
32 posted on 03/06/2003 8:29:35 PM PST by a_Turk (Lookout, lookout,, the candyman!)
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To: marron; a_Turk; Dog Gone
I am sympathetic to the Kurdish situation in Iraq, as you may have gathered, but in no way am I sympathetic to the PKK. Their tactics are reminiscent of the tactics of the Viet Cong. Anyone that purposely targets innocents has already lost their souls. And whatever you have to do to get the guys that do these things is also just fine with me.

Turkey already kicked their asses and captured their leader. As a result the Kurds in Turkey made nice, and I believe (correct me here, a_Turk) that some concessions were extended after the ass-kicking to Turkish Kurds along the lines of limited local rule, or being able to use their own language in schools or somesuch. The Turks just don't want to have to do it all again, and are nervous about the Kurdish pot being stirred by the Iraq situation. They are also worried about mistreatment or displacement (from lucrative oil regions) of ethnic Turks in predominantly Kurdish northern Iraq. (I don't think the Kurdistan enthusiasts understand how much these ethnic groups are intermixed in the region.)

BTW, I think I am correct in saying that, until America defeated the Taliban and al-Qaeda in Afghanistan, the Turks, in their war against the PKK and other Kurdish separatists, were the only regular army in modern history to defeat a native, insurgent force in mountainous terrain.

33 posted on 03/06/2003 8:34:36 PM PST by Stultis
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To: a_Turk
Thanks, and thanks for correcting my spelling of Ocalan.

If anyone deserved the death penalty, this thug sure did.

Saw some of those photos. Gruesome! I just could not continue.
34 posted on 03/06/2003 8:35:36 PM PST by RecentConvert
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To: Stultis
>> I am sympathetic to the Kurdish situation in Iraq, as you may have gathered, but in no way am I sympathetic to the PKK.

Same here. These people are my brothers and sisters. But their leaders take advantage of them and support the PKK.

>> Turkey already kicked their asses and captured their leader.

Thank you CIA and Mossad for helping us nab the sucker from the Greek embassy in Kenya.

>> As a result the Kurds in Turkey made nice,

These guys are/were based out of northern Irak. They just firebombed a nursery in Turkey. The leaders in northern Irak are showing their litle "stick".
35 posted on 03/06/2003 8:48:55 PM PST by a_Turk (Lookout, lookout,, the candyman!)
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To: Lurker
Thanks for posting the truth.
36 posted on 03/06/2003 8:59:19 PM PST by RecentConvert
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To: RecentConvert
No problem.

L

37 posted on 03/06/2003 9:00:40 PM PST by Lurker (When I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you.)
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To: a_Turk
We didn't do a whole lot of this:

But you guys did.

Regards,

L

38 posted on 03/06/2003 9:03:00 PM PST by Lurker (When I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you.)
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To: irish guard
WE Americans are still stunned by the failure of your country's government to allow our soldiers to use Turkey as a northern base.

Hopefully Turkey will now be kicked out of NATO and isolated. They can also kiss their dreams goodbye of ever joining Christian EU. This latter must never, ever come to pass or there will be hell to pay.

39 posted on 03/06/2003 9:03:51 PM PST by RecentConvert
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To: RecentConvert
Seems there is a silver lining to everything.
40 posted on 03/06/2003 9:07:24 PM PST by RecentConvert
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To: Lurker
So you're telling me that the Greek speaking emperors of Byzantium never put up heads on pikes at the city gates? I wonder if all those writers of history know they're wrong? Maybe they should have checked with you first.
41 posted on 03/06/2003 9:07:32 PM PST by Tailback
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To: a_Turk
Please send these links to your representatives. You don't know what you're getting yourselves into...

Yes, but all Turkey had to do was stand with us instead of embarrassing us and putting more of our men at risk. Then we would shaft the Kurds again like we did in '91, and give Turkey a nice piece of the Northen Iraq oil action. By pissing off Bush and Rumsfeld, the Turks are pushing us into the arms of the Kurds. It would be most helpful if a new vote could be scheduled this week, and this time the PM needs to insist on party loyalty.

42 posted on 03/06/2003 9:09:30 PM PST by montag813
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To: RecentConvert
>> there will be hell to pay

Yes indeed.. Regardless.
43 posted on 03/06/2003 9:11:31 PM PST by a_Turk (Lookout, lookout,, the candyman!)
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To: a_Turk
I'll check out the links later.
44 posted on 03/06/2003 9:12:58 PM PST by fso301
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To: Lurker
Decapitation was the preferred method of execution throughout Europe for a long, long time..

I'd volunteer for the job of chopping Usame's head off.

Chop!!

You're trying to somehow justify the deeds of these terrorists, aren't you?

Tisk, tisk, tisk...
45 posted on 03/06/2003 9:15:37 PM PST by a_Turk (Lookout, lookout,, the candyman!)
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To: montag813
>> Then we would shaft the Kurds again like we did in '91

You're missing the point.

The *Kurds* will be shafted by US support for their terrorist leaders..

Hey, weren't you a German just a few weeks ago? Wonderful things those hyphens...

Sag mal, schaemst du dich nicht?
46 posted on 03/06/2003 9:19:59 PM PST by a_Turk (Lookout, lookout,, the candyman!)
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To: Stultis; a_Turk
the Turks, in their war against the PKK and other Kurdish separatists, were the only regular army in modern history to defeat a native, insurgent force in mountainous terrain.

Say what you want, nobody EVER accused the Turkish military of being composed of sissies and softies!

47 posted on 03/06/2003 9:21:06 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: RecentConvert
I would rather have the EU begin with at least a semi democratic structure. As it is, France and Germany are shutting themselves down, taxing their people out of existance, and admitting Muslims to do the work. It won't be long before France and Germany are no longer Christian, to the extent that they are. France is officially atheist, but is beginning to provide goverment funds for mosques. Germany is catholic, or lutheran but mostly neither.

It would be a wonderful thing if they would lower their tax rates, grow their economy, and support larger families. That way the most adventurous Europeans could move to the Middle East, and help those economies grown in a productive and peaceful way. As it is now, the French and Germans are caught in a cycle of providing weapons so we can destroy them.
48 posted on 03/06/2003 9:22:35 PM PST by donmeaker (Time is Relative, at least in my family.)
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To: RecentConvert
You can read more about Turkeys official policy of exterminating Armenians here

I warn you, it's pretty graphic.

Regards,

L

49 posted on 03/06/2003 9:23:17 PM PST by Lurker (When I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you.)
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To: a_Turk
Terrorists who target innocent civilians deserve no more than a bullet, and only if you are in a merciful mood.
50 posted on 03/06/2003 9:23:31 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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