Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Complaint brings end to Scout troop for juvenile offenders at Vernon Hills center
The Southtown Daily Herald (Suburban Chicago) ^ | 3/8/03 | Mick Zawislak

Posted on 03/08/2003 9:38:19 AM PST by RonF

What began three years ago as part of a highly-publicized program to help troubled boys has been quietly dropped by the 19th Judicial Circuit Court. The charter of Boy Scout Troop 19, based at the Depke Juvenile Justice Complex in Vernon Hills, was allowed to expire March 1 in response to concerns by the American Civil Liberties Union.

"We decided it probably would be best served not to continue," said Bob Zastany, executive director of the court's administrative office. "We thought we were doing some good things out there." The ACLU and others, most notably Buffalo Grove resident and well-known atheist Rob Sherman, generally have questioned the use of public funds to operate what he once described as a "discriminatory private club."

Sherman was unable to be reached Friday for comment regarding Troop 19. Ed Yohnka, director of communications for the ACLU of Illinois, said this wasn't a new issue for the group. He said the court did the right thing. "We've expressed concerns to a number of government agencies, including this particular court about their serving as a sponsor of an organization that has a discriminatory policy," he said.

The U.S. Supreme Court in 2000 ruled that as a private organization, the Boy Scouts can restrict its membership and leaders. The decision originated with a lawsuit by a gay Scout leader who was dismissed from a New Jersey troop. Atheists also are prohibited from joining.

Established in February 2000, Troop 19 was touted as the first formed with boys sentenced to probation. The 19th Judicial Circuit Court was the chartering agency for the troop operated by the juvenile probation and detention services division. Participants were boys aged 14 to 16 in the in-house treatment program at Depke, known as FACE-IT, or Family and Community Engaged in Treatment. That program is limited to 12 boys and is not associated with the detention center's general population.

The Boy Scout connection, the 19th Circuit said in 2000, would help instill "the exemplary values of character, citizenship and fitness" and build the teens' self-esteem. On Thursday nights, the troop would meet for about 90 minutes to learn skills such as first aid. On weekends, the troop would go on nature hikes or other activities. Participants who were interested in continuing in the Scouts after their stay were given referrals, although Zastany was unsure if or how many pursued Scouting after they left the center. "You plant enough seeds and you get a tree here and a tree there and sometimes you get some fruit," he said.

Sherman took his case to the Lake County Board last year, saying the use of public funds to operate the troop violated federal civil rights laws. The county funds FACE-IT, which distributed money to the troop. He also objected to judges and other judicial system employees working with a group that has discriminatory rules. Zastany said he and his staff closely studied the matter before recommending to Chief Judge Margaret J. Mullen the charter be allowed to lapse. Mullen could not be reached Friday for comment. "It was just a prudent decision on our part to let it lapse and regroup," Zastany said. "We're going to create programming and opportunities for these kids that will be even better."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atheism; boyscouts; bsa; bsalist; illinois; robsherman; scouts
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-53 next last
Lake County is a county northwest of Chicago containing numerous Chicago suburbs. Overall the county is wealthier than many. Their Board of Commissioners decided to not renew a charter for a BSA Troop that was concentrating on rehabilitating youthful offenders because Rob Sherman threatened to bring a lawsuit.

Rob did this previously in the Chicago area. If I'm not mistaken, he tried to force a southwest suburban Cub Scout Pack that was sponsored by a public school to accept his son as a member after crossing out the part of the application that mentions God. The Cub Scout Promise includes a promise to do one's duty to God. Upon being rejected, he brought suit on the basis that the BSA was a public accomodation and that his son was harmed by being excluded from an activity that included his son's friends.

He lost. But the school did the same thing that the Lake County Commissioners did, and after knocking around a few years more the Pack died.

I faced the same thing. My Scout Troop was informed by it's sponsor, a Park District (which in Illinois is a municipal body), that the Park District would not renew it's charter because they were afraid that they'd get sued. Fortunately for us, both the Pack and the Troop were approached by a local Episcopal parish. They picked up our charter and we've been going strong ever since.

People on FR tend to talk bad about the Episcopal church, but this parish stood up and did the right thing, and continues to do so.

1 posted on 03/08/2003 9:38:19 AM PST by RonF
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: *bsa_list
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list
2 posted on 03/08/2003 9:45:50 AM PST by RonF
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RonF
"We're going to create programming and opportunities for these kids that will be even better."

Tragic. The ACLU is currently defending LAMBA(men and boy love association). Perhaps they can recommend them to take over guiding these young people. I'm sure LAMBA doen't discriminate aren't you?

3 posted on 03/08/2003 9:46:03 AM PST by Mister Baredog ((God Bless GW Bush))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RonF
The ACLU is a gang of legalistic terrorists. These ACLU Nazis want to make public lands or any public services off limits to the Boy Scouts just because they don't like the values of the Scouts. The ACLU is truly the enemy of America.
4 posted on 03/08/2003 10:11:23 AM PST by Kuksool
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RonF
"We're going to create programming and opportunities for these kids that will be even better."

Something better than, "On my honorI will do my best To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; To help other people at all times; To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight." ...?"

Something better than TRUSTWORTHY, LOYAL, HELPFUL, FRIENDLY. COURTEOUS. KIND. OBEDIENT. CHEERFUL. THRIFTY. BRAVE. CLEAN. REVERENT.

Wanna bet?

5 posted on 03/08/2003 10:13:46 AM PST by patriciaruth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: laureldrive; chance33_98; amused; Rain-maker; Liberal Bob; RAT Patrol; Libertarianize the GOP; ...
bump
6 posted on 03/08/2003 10:19:26 AM PST by RonF
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: patriciaruth
How about gentle, accepting, inclusive, collective, diverse, peaceful, open-minded, multicultural, socially just, global, creative, flambouyant, flaming, and perverse?
7 posted on 03/08/2003 10:21:33 AM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ;)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Jeff Chandler
How about slavery?
8 posted on 03/08/2003 10:22:59 AM PST by patriciaruth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Kuksool
Remember that the ACLU doesn't bring lawsuits. They assist people who do. The ACLU would never have been involved if Rob Sherman hadn't first raised the issue and called them up. This lays at his doorstep, not the ACLU's.

The sad part is that Sherman would likely have won any suit. The courts would take the view that government funding of an organization that requires one to have a religious belief would violate the principle of the First Amendment's religous establishment clause.

Fortunately, that doesn't hold true for the other point of your post, the use of public lands. There's no way that the BSA will be restricted from the use of public facilities. If any such suit starts to make serious progress in the courts, Congress will pass a law similar to the amendment to the No Child Left Behind education bill that required all public schools to grant BSA equal access to their facilities.
9 posted on 03/08/2003 10:26:42 AM PST by RonF
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: RonF
This guy Rob Sherman is at or near the top of my list of "People That Need Expurgating".

Only my Christian upbringing keeps me from actively seeking to remove people from this list....one by one.

10 posted on 03/08/2003 10:35:43 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts ()
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RonF
Thanks for the heads up.  I find it laughable that so many Christians on this board think their religion is being discriminated against every day in our culture, yet have nothing negative to say about an organization that discriminates against atheist kids because of their beliefs.
11 posted on 03/08/2003 10:41:37 AM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Mister Baredog
The ACLU is currently defending LAMBA(men and boy love association).

Actually, it is: NAMBLA - North American Man-Boy Love Assoc.

Which is not to be confused with NAMBLA: Nat'l assoc. of Marlon Brando look alikes.

you gotta love South Park.

12 posted on 03/08/2003 10:45:17 AM PST by Michael.SF. (A nod is as good as a wink, to a blind horse.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Michael.SF.
Thanks for the correction, I'm not on their mailing list
13 posted on 03/08/2003 10:47:20 AM PST by Mister Baredog ((God Bless GW Bush))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: RonF
Remember that the ACLU doesn't bring lawsuits. They assist people who do. The ACLU would never have been involved if Rob Sherman hadn't first raised the issue and called them up. This lays at his doorstep, not the ACLU's.

What a load of crap. The ACLU hunts for stuff like this. They have a choice what they want to litigate.

14 posted on 03/08/2003 11:26:24 AM PST by aimhigh
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: RonF
So if a bunch of us old farts want to join the tax supported N.O.W. is the ACLU going to jump in because this discriminatory organization don’t like old white guys?
15 posted on 03/08/2003 12:16:22 PM PST by Liberal Bob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RonF
bump
16 posted on 03/08/2003 12:38:37 PM PST by Free the USA (Stooge for the Rich)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: aimhigh
What a load of crap. The ACLU hunts for stuff like this. They have a choice what they want to litigate.

The fact that the ACLU has a choice of what they want to get involved in doesn't mean they initiated this. Rob Sherman has a long history of this kind of thing and I have little doubt that he came to the ACLU, not the other way around. Rob's even got his own cable show here.

17 posted on 03/08/2003 1:53:57 PM PST by RonF
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: gcruse
I hear churches discriminate against atheists as well.
18 posted on 03/08/2003 2:03:45 PM PST by stands2reason
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: stands2reason
Do they? I have never heard of a church refusing to allow an atheist to attend services. Maybe I don't get around enough, though. Discrimination for me but not for thee does sound familiar.
19 posted on 03/08/2003 2:08:41 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: RonF
So are government schools obligated to hire ex-cons or be accused of discrimination? Must they hire all people regardless of their behavior "orientations?"

Maybe local fire departments shouldn't discriminate against piromanics. Maybe the police department shouldn't discriminate against the mentally ill or just the ill-tempered. Perhaps we should remove public funds from PBS for discriminating against the mute as program moderators. No funds for music programs that discriminate against the tone deaf. And all public transportation organizations should hire the blind and the disabled to drive their vehicles or face charges of discrimination.

20 posted on 03/08/2003 2:09:55 PM PST by RAT Patrol
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: RAT Patrol
Can you distinguish between ability-based hiring and requiring people be things unrelated to the job?
21 posted on 03/08/2003 2:29:11 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: gcruse
Can you distinguish between ability-based hiring and requiring people be things unrelated to the job?

Yes. Now, can you distinguish between behavior discrimination and race/ethnic discrimination?

22 posted on 03/08/2003 2:35:22 PM PST by RAT Patrol
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: RAT Patrol
Behavior discrimination involves you getting to judge the behavior of others unrelated to the job involved. That is mostly illegal and for good reason. It is no better than racism, so no, there is not that much difference.
23 posted on 03/08/2003 2:44:15 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: gcruse
Ive already judged you. So sue me.
24 posted on 03/08/2003 2:46:44 PM PST by Khepera (Do not remove by penalty of law!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Khepera
Judge not, sez Jesus. So much for you.
25 posted on 03/08/2003 2:48:52 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: RonF
If any such suit starts to make serious progress in the courts, Congress will pass a law similar to the amendment to the No Child Left Behind education bill that required all public schools to grant BSA equal access to their facilities.

Those bastards at the ACLU may have done us a favor, its important for President Bush's faith-based initiatives to succeed legislatively.

I'm an agnostic, and still, I can see the need for the Boy Scouts to turn potential thieves and abusers into responsible citizens. I don't agree with the Boy Scouts on their atheist clause, but I respect their right as a private organization to make their own rules.

The good thing is, the Boy Scouts are still seen as a top quality organization by the vast majority of people, even those who sometimes support the ACLU's twisted aims. We need to build on that generations-long trust to show why faith-based private organizations can do our society a lot of good.

26 posted on 03/08/2003 2:58:26 PM PST by hunter112
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: gcruse
Behavior discrimination involves you getting to judge the behavior of others unrelated to the job involved. That is mostly illegal and for good reason. It is no better than racism, so no, there is not that much difference.

I see. So you do think government schools should be forced to hire ex-cons? That's behavior orientation. Is there no immoral lifestyle that would disqualify a candidate for school employment?

Pyromania is a behavior orientation. What if someone is just too loud. They have a booming voice and they want a job in the library? Some behaviors disqualify you for a job. You may feel it's unrelated but the employer may feel it's related. If the issue is children, I really do not think a community whose claim to fame is their devotion to unnatural sex acts that never produce children and families, are the ones who should have the final say in a free society over and above the children's parents and the parents chosen representatives.

A homosexual man is not a good camping partner for boys that need male role models. Would you force them to have transexual Scout leaders too?

So who needs the job interview anymore? An employer shouldn't get to see the prospective employee. Nor should they be allowed to ask questions about interests and background.

Being forced to hire someone whose beliefs and behaviors are contrary to the goals and beliefs of the organization is the same thing as being forced to hire someone whose skills and abilities are contrary to the organization or company. It is no different at all. The government has no right to intervene. It's that think called FREEDOM!

27 posted on 03/08/2003 3:02:59 PM PST by RAT Patrol
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: gcruse
I have never heard of a church refusing to allow an atheist to attend services.

Have you heard of a church refusing to allow an atheist to LEAD services?

28 posted on 03/08/2003 3:27:31 PM PST by RAT Patrol
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: RAT Patrol
Did you know there are Catholic priests who have confessed to atheism? And they still have jobs.
29 posted on 03/08/2003 3:38:41 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: RAT Patrol
Being forced to hire someone whose beliefs and behaviors are contrary to the goals and beliefs of the organization is the same thing as being forced to hire someone whose skills and abilities are contrary to the organization or company.

Whether you like it or not, it is illegal to discriminate in hiring based on their beliefs, and most certainly if their beliefs have nothing to do with job performance.
All else is bigotry.
30 posted on 03/08/2003 3:41:20 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: gcruse
Whether you like it or not, it is illegal to discriminate in hiring based on their beliefs, and most certainly if their beliefs have nothing to do with job performance. Then why are the Boy Scouts being discriminated against for their beliefs?
31 posted on 03/08/2003 3:58:12 PM PST by RAT Patrol
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: gcruse
Did you know there are Catholic priests who have confessed to atheism? And they still have jobs. No, I didn't know that. They should be fired immediately.
32 posted on 03/08/2003 3:59:25 PM PST by RAT Patrol
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: gcruse
Judge not, sez Jesus.

Do you take every Biblical passage so badly out of context? How about "covet thy neighbor's house"... is that a proper citation? It's surely in there!

Here's the entire passage (Matt. 7:1-5).
Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measurement ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. And why beholdest thou the mote (speck) that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

It does NOT command Christians to never use their judgement. It's a warning to people to be careful that they do not make hypocrites of themselves in their critiques of others, and to concentrate on their own behavior more than others. It's not an admonition to never think critically. In fact, at the end, it explicitly says that you can "remove the mote" from your brother's eye, once you have cleaned out your own.

33 posted on 03/08/2003 3:59:38 PM PST by Teacher317
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: RAT Patrol
The BSA is not being hired by the government, so the government is not practicing discrimination hiring. Government funds should not go to private entities that violate discrimination laws, either, which is where the BSA is now.
34 posted on 03/08/2003 4:03:09 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Teacher317
Oh, so it's okay to judge others, in God's eye. Be careful thinking you know what is in the heart of the recipient, though.
35 posted on 03/08/2003 4:06:02 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: gcruse
The BSA is not being hired by the government, so the government is not practicing discrimination hiring. Government funds should not go to private entities that violate discrimination laws, either, which is where the BSA is now.

Should Gay activist groups be forced to hire conservatrive Christians who believe homosexuality is sinful as leaders of their organizations?

36 posted on 03/08/2003 4:17:17 PM PST by RAT Patrol
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: gcruse
"yet have nothing negative to say about an organization that discriminates against atheist kids because of their beliefs."

There's no way we can prohibit a group from defining the members of their group. Otherwise, it's not a group anymore.
37 posted on 03/08/2003 4:26:24 PM PST by Freedom4US
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: gcruse
Thanks for the advice... but reading it and seeing it contrasted with your tagline made me LOL.
38 posted on 03/08/2003 4:27:15 PM PST by Teacher317
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: RAT Patrol
None of what you mentioned should come up in the job interview. Do you get asked those things when you apply for a job?
39 posted on 03/08/2003 4:41:56 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Teacher317
Pragmatism rules.
40 posted on 03/08/2003 4:43:30 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: RonF
"Rob did this previously in the Chicago area. If I'm not mistaken, he tried to force a southwest suburban Cub Scout Pack that was sponsored by a public school to accept his son as a member after crossing out the part of the application that mentions God."

Yes, he did that. He's also been one of the leading instigators of suits all over the area to force religious symbols out of the public eye. In addition to forcing references to God off govm't seals and such, messing with scouting, he's been a party suits to have churches take their crosses off their steeples, 'cause people can see them and are offended.

He was arrested for domestic violence a few years ago and had his laser sighted pistol confiscated. He beat his kid one night for something the kid did. Kid called the cops. I'll bet it's the same kid that he's trying to protect from folks that believe in god, like the boy scouts that allow their members to hold any religion. When the judge asked him what it was about, Sherman told him, "I was just trying to put the fear of god in him." He also tried to get the pistol back on the grounds that folks were out to get him. The man's a psycho.

41 posted on 03/08/2003 4:48:45 PM PST by spunkets
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: spunkets
There seems to be a lesson in all of this - government sponsored groups have to cave into certain rules of behaviour. That seems to be the common thread in all these lawsuits.

So, people who do things on their own, and stop relying on government money, have more opportunity to do what they want and do it with who they want to do it with.

Carried forward to it's logical conclusion, this could become a trend, if only people would/could stop depending on government money.

42 posted on 03/08/2003 4:55:23 PM PST by Bernard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Bernard
I understand and support the idea that tax dollars shouldn't go to fund private groups. That includes the NEA, PBS, and all the various and sundry other orgs. That doesn't include renting, or allowing any orgs in the community from using the space in public buildings, or as in this case, funding some of the expenses for their efforts to correct the deficiencies in these youth offenders. They are after all one of the groups in the community that volunteer their services to the community to address these problems. This being a Free country, any law abiding group should be able to extend their services, recieve some compensation where it would otherwise go anyway and in a more substantial sum, without having to abandon their core values and beliefs.
43 posted on 03/08/2003 5:21:21 PM PST by spunkets
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Lloyd Grey
ping
44 posted on 03/08/2003 5:34:16 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ;)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: gcruse
Should Gay activist groups be forced to hire conservatrive Christians who believe homosexuality is sinful as leaders of their organizations?
45 posted on 03/08/2003 5:48:39 PM PST by RAT Patrol
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: RAT Patrol
You know, in the case of hiring the leader, let's say, of a gay activist group, believing in gay rights would probably be necessary to fulfill the role of fundraising and proselytizing. But if the group is looking for a clerk/typist, it should not matter.
46 posted on 03/08/2003 5:58:05 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: gcruse
I think it would matter -- rightly -- to them, even if you're a clerk/typist.
47 posted on 03/08/2003 6:19:43 PM PST by RAT Patrol
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: RAT Patrol
Can a prospective employer ask a prospective clerk/typist during the job interview what their views are on homosexuality? I think there be legal dragons there.
48 posted on 03/08/2003 6:26:20 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: RonF
Gosh...let's make sure the boys get rocks kicked in their gear-box. This is disgusting. May the ACLU rot in HELL.
49 posted on 03/08/2003 6:30:07 PM PST by pointsal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RAT Patrol
Actually, the BSA may well find themselves in just this position. The Chicago Area Council was sued after a gay man applied for a job with them and was turned down after stating that he was gay. Understand that this was for a paying job with them, not a volunteer position (nationally the BSA has about 4000 full-time employees). The CAC fell afoul of the Chicago Civil Rights Commission, which is charged with enforcing Chicago's municipal anti-discrimination statute. Said statute forbids discrimination on the basis of (among other things) sexual orientation.

The hearings have been going back and forth. It looks as though it may be settled on the basis that the CAC can ban homosexuals from policy-setting or explicating positions (such as District Executive), but not positions such as clerk/typists.
50 posted on 03/08/2003 6:57:53 PM PST by RonF
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-53 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson