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Just War or a Just War? (Jimmy Carter MEGA-BARF Alert!!)
The New York Times ^ | March 9, 2003 | Jimmy Carter, unemployed loser

Posted on 03/08/2003 4:30:12 PM PST by Dont Mention the War

The New York Times


March 9, 2003

Just War — or a Just War?


Rob Hatem

By JIMMY CARTER

ATLANTA — Profound changes have been taking place in American foreign policy, reversing consistent bipartisan commitments that for more than two centuries have earned our nation greatness. These commitments have been predicated on basic religious principles, respect for international law, and alliances that resulted in wise decisions and mutual restraint. Our apparent determination to launch a war against Iraq, without international support, is a violation of these premises.

As a Christian and as a president who was severely provoked by international crises, I became thoroughly familiar with the principles of a just war, and it is clear that a substantially unilateral attack on Iraq does not meet these standards. This is an almost universal conviction of religious leaders, with the most notable exception of a few spokesmen of the Southern Baptist Convention who are greatly influenced by their commitment to Israel based on eschatological, or final days, theology.

For a war to be just, it must meet several clearly defined criteria.

The war can be waged only as a last resort, with all nonviolent options exhausted. In the case of Iraq, it is obvious that clear alternatives to war exist. These options — previously proposed by our own leaders and approved by the United Nations — were outlined again by the Security Council on Friday. But now, with our own national security not directly threatened and despite the overwhelming opposition of most people and governments in the world, the United States seems determined to carry out military and diplomatic action that is almost unprecedented in the history of civilized nations. The first stage of our widely publicized war plan is to launch 3,000 bombs and missiles on a relatively defenseless Iraqi population within the first few hours of an invasion, with the purpose of so damaging and demoralizing the people that they will change their obnoxious leader, who will most likely be hidden and safe during the bombardment.

The war's weapons must discriminate between combatants and noncombatants. Extensive aerial bombardment, even with precise accuracy, inevitably results in "collateral damage." Gen. Tommy R. Franks, commander of American forces in the Persian Gulf, has expressed concern about many of the military targets being near hospitals, schools, mosques and private homes.

Its violence must be proportional to the injury we have suffered. Despite Saddam Hussein's other serious crimes, American efforts to tie Iraq to the 9/11 terrorist attacks have been unconvincing.

The attackers must have legitimate authority sanctioned by the society they profess to represent. The unanimous vote of approval in the Security Council to eliminate Iraq's weapons of mass destruction can still be honored, but our announced goals are now to achieve regime change and to establish a Pax Americana in the region, perhaps occupying the ethnically divided country for as long as a decade. For these objectives, we do not have international authority. Other members of the Security Council have so far resisted the enormous economic and political influence that is being exerted from Washington, and we are faced with the possibility of either a failure to get the necessary votes or else a veto from Russia, France and China. Although Turkey may still be enticed into helping us by enormous financial rewards and partial future control of the Kurds and oil in northern Iraq, its democratic Parliament has at least added its voice to the worldwide expressions of concern.

The peace it establishes must be a clear improvement over what exists. Although there are visions of peace and democracy in Iraq, it is quite possible that the aftermath of a military invasion will destabilize the region and prompt terrorists to further jeopardize our security at home. Also, by defying overwhelming world opposition, the United States will undermine the United Nations as a viable institution for world peace.

What about America's world standing if we don't go to war after such a great deployment of military forces in the region? The heartfelt sympathy and friendship offered to America after the 9/11 attacks, even from formerly antagonistic regimes, has been largely dissipated; increasingly unilateral and domineering policies have brought international trust in our country to its lowest level in memory. American stature will surely decline further if we launch a war in clear defiance of the United Nations. But to use the presence and threat of our military power to force Iraq's compliance with all United Nations resolutions — with war as a final option — will enhance our status as a champion of peace and justice.

Jimmy Carter, the 39th president of the United States, is chairman of the Carter Center in Atlanta and winner of the 2002 Nobel Peace Prize.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: falsechristian; jimmycarter; killerrabbit; presidentasswipe; rathatespeech; rememberdesertone; treason; ustroopmurderer
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Go F yourself, Carter. Go pander this crap to the familes of the soldiers YOU KILLED UNILATERALLY in the Iranian desert.
1 posted on 03/08/2003 4:30:13 PM PST by Dont Mention the War
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To: Dont Mention the War
carter, the FAILED PRESIDENT!!

I remember how Reagan beat him SO BAD in the elections. carter, another useless idiot.

2 posted on 03/08/2003 4:38:39 PM PST by crazykatz
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To: Dont Mention the War
Jimmy Carter , Move to Havanna thats where You Belong

UN has approved 2 of the over 200 Wars sense its founding .

Lets ask the People of Rawanda about the effectiveness of the UN Secuirty Counsel or where were you during Pol Pot Slaughter JIMMMY dictators killing People OK by YOU RIGHT

3 posted on 03/08/2003 4:39:52 PM PST by scooby321
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To: Dont Mention the War
Dear Gov.* Carter:

I and many other Americans are curious. Why are you so desperate to ensure the perpetuation of this monster's regime? Why is it necessary for us to ask the U.N.'s permission to defend our nation's interests? You ARE aware, aren't you, that the U.N. charter itself allows for this?

Also, why do you, a former president, follow the despicable example of Bill Clinton and openly criticize a sitting president? Did Pres. Ford ever, at any time, open his mouth and criticize YOUR foreign policy? Did Pres. Nixon? With the debacle of the Iranian Hostage Crisis they certainly could have done so but they did not.

In short, Gov.* Carter, I suggest you shut your mouth. We don't need your whimpy Euro-style view of "diplomacy," nor do we need your opinion.

Thank you for shutting up.

* - Former Presidents are NOT called "Ex-President," or "Former President." There is only ONE President of the United States at any time. When a President leaves office he assumes the title he held before taking office. In this case, it is proper to call either Jimmy Carter OR Bill Clinton "Governor." This is a bit of protocol that the media ignores, yet it is nonetheless true.
4 posted on 03/08/2003 4:40:04 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: Dont Mention the War
Hey Jimmuh,


5 posted on 03/08/2003 4:41:44 PM PST by dighton
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To: Dont Mention the War
Worst President in US history? I'd say so.
6 posted on 03/08/2003 4:42:32 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: Dont Mention the War
as a president who was severely provoked by international crises, I became thoroughly familiar with the principles of a just war, and it is clear that a substantially unilateral attack on Iraq does not meet these standards. This is an almost universal conviction of religious leaders, with the most notable exception of a few spokesmen of the Southern Baptist Convention who are greatly influenced by their commitment to Israel based on eschatological, or final days, theology.

I'm sure most Imams would agree with you jimmy, nice dig at the Southern Baptists by the way.
7 posted on 03/08/2003 4:45:16 PM PST by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: Dont Mention the War
This is the stupid ass who gave nurtured the birth of the jihadists with his ineffectual panty weraing handling of the crisin in Iran and the subsequent hostage situation.

Peanut headed schmuck.

8 posted on 03/08/2003 4:45:38 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: dighton
ROFLMAO!!!!
9 posted on 03/08/2003 4:47:25 PM PST by TADSLOS (Sua Sponte)
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To: Dont Mention the War
by defying overwhelming world opposition, the United States will undermine the United Nations as a viable institution for world peace.

A viable institution for world peace?
Where, when?
10 posted on 03/08/2003 4:48:23 PM PST by tet68 (Jeremiah 51:24 ..."..Before your eyes I will repay Babylon for all the wrong they have done in Zion")
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To: Conservative til I die
Worst President in US history?

LBJ

11 posted on 03/08/2003 4:49:36 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Dont Mention the War
Like I really need a reminder why I voted for Ronald Reagan in the first presidential election in which I was eligible to vote.
12 posted on 03/08/2003 4:49:58 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (This space left intentionally blank.)
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To: Dont Mention the War
Please, someone, the next time he is up at the top of a ladder, hammering nails for the benefit of the camera, have the decency to shove it over.
13 posted on 03/08/2003 4:50:16 PM PST by Paul Atreides
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To: Dont Mention the War; RJayneJ; Howlin; JohnHuang2

Ah yes, Carter. The President who personally *kept* in place the embargo against Cuba, and then once out of office starting asking that each successive Republican President end it for him.

The same Carter who is personally responsible for Iran falling to the radical Muslims who are the cause of our troubles to this very day.

The same Carter who gave away the Panama Canal.

Oh yeah, and why did Moamar Khadafy give your brother Billy $240,000 while you were in office, Jimmy? You know, your brother who you illegally gave classified U.S. government documents on Libya.

Of course, that money pales compared to your gift of a nuclear reactor and Million$ in bribes to Kim il Jung in North Korea.

14 posted on 03/08/2003 4:50:35 PM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Dont Mention the War


15 posted on 03/08/2003 4:51:26 PM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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To: Dont Mention the War
Did anyone see the David Letterman show last night? I was told that Tom Brokaw was on and he was talking about a trip he took to Baghdad last year. Apparently some Iraqi civilian approached Tom and asked him when the U.S. troops were coming and could they be here by Christmas. That says more and means more to me than anything this peanut could ever say!
16 posted on 03/08/2003 4:53:48 PM PST by Arpege92
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To: Dont Mention the War
344 DAYS OF HAND WRINGING AND INDECISIVENESS

THANKS FOT NOTHING, JIMMY!!

17 posted on 03/08/2003 4:54:21 PM PST by TADSLOS (Sua Sponte)
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To: Happy2BMe
That bottom cartoon is wrong. Carter caused stagflation, not inflation. (Hell, he INVENTED stagflation, didn't he?)
18 posted on 03/08/2003 4:57:58 PM PST by Dont Mention the War ("Quinnipiac" - Native American for "Big Smelly Compost Heap of RAT Dung")
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To: Dont Mention the War
Yet more "Mush from the Wimp".
19 posted on 03/08/2003 5:03:55 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Southack
And, the day after he was inaugurated he signed an order giving amnesty for all Vietnam War draft evaders. Jimmah is guilty of treason.
20 posted on 03/08/2003 5:03:58 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker
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To: Dont Mention the War
Hey! That's no way to talk to a former president! You should say: "With all due respect, Go F--- yourself, Carter."

Now doesn't that sound better?

Personally, I think Jimmy is in need of a good butt-kicking. Of course, with all due respect.
21 posted on 03/08/2003 5:04:38 PM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: Southack
ON 23 January 1980, in his State of the Union Address, President Jimmy Carter announced a new American policy that came to be called the Carter Doctrine. Referring to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, Mr. Carter warned that:

An attempt by an outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force.




How can he sleep at night?

22 posted on 03/08/2003 5:05:39 PM PST by Lokibob
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To: Dont Mention the War
How can Jimmy Carter talk about foreign policy with a straight face? His administrations was a complete cluster *%#@.
23 posted on 03/08/2003 5:09:31 PM PST by chasio649
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To: Dont Mention the War
Mr. President, Have you forgotten????
24 posted on 03/08/2003 5:20:46 PM PST by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: Conservative til I die
Worst President in US history? I'd say so.

Well he's a contender. But I still say that that distinction belongs to Bubba Spunkmeister.

25 posted on 03/08/2003 5:28:57 PM PST by fhayek
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To: Dont Mention the War
I don't remember any Carter op-eds criticizing Bill Clinton over the non-UN approved war in Kosovo. I wonder why?

I used to think Jimmy was an OK guy (though a lousy president) when he was doing something useful -- pounding nails for Habitat for Humanity. He's really revealed himself to be a first class jerk in the past few years.

The Jimmy and Bill show enabled N. Korea to acquire nukes -- their lasting contribution to "world peace". On that fact alone, you'd think both of them would want to crawl into a hole.

Jimmy Carter: just another corrupt hypocritical Democrat. You should have kept pounding nails, Mr. Nobel Peace Prize.

26 posted on 03/08/2003 5:29:04 PM PST by Semi Civil Servant (I dont have a clever tag line. I'm terribly sorry.)
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To: Dont Mention the War
Jimmuh would have us send a few helicopters into Iraq to be shot down. Because, after all, what has Saddam done to us yet? Whatta guy in the clutch.
27 posted on 03/08/2003 5:29:56 PM PST by ricpic
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To: Dont Mention the War
Seems it musta' been Jimmy Carter who allowed the North Koreans to build more than 100 atom bombs.
28 posted on 03/08/2003 5:58:31 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Dont Mention the War
Hey Jimmah! Have a cookie!


29 posted on 03/08/2003 6:01:31 PM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: dighton

30 posted on 03/08/2003 6:05:06 PM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Dont Mention the War
As a Christian...

Nonsense. Carter is a babykiller, and it impossible for anyone to be both a babykiller and a Christian. He was our first aggressively pro-abortion President. He was the most pro-abortion President until Clinton.

31 posted on 03/08/2003 6:06:36 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: muawiyah
I'm remember that in 1980, at the tender age of 15, I was watching some news report shortly before Reagan's triumph and there was a sign that said (and says) it all: "Why not an actor - we've had a clown for the last four years!!"

Lot longer than four years, to our detriment.
32 posted on 03/08/2003 6:09:18 PM PST by torchthemummy
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To: Dont Mention the War
The war's weapons must discriminate between combatants and noncombatants.

As always, Carter lies. This is not one of the classic conditions of a just war. What is disallowed is deliberate targeting of civilians, and what is required is sincere effort to avoid civilian casualties. But the condition is not absolute, as Carter states it. Carter is an inveterate liar. He doesn't have the same reputation as a liar that Clinton has, only because didn't have personal sexual scandals to lie about. Carter lied about the military, about foreign policy, about the budget, about the effects of tax cuts, about the cause of inflation, about Reagan's "racism," about the killing of the unborn, about being a Christian, etc. Just not about sex.

33 posted on 03/08/2003 6:11:42 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Illbay
Thank you for pointing this out--that once a man leaves the White House, he should be addressed by the highest title he had earned before his term as President. The same is true of Vice Presidents, btw. Miss Manners once did a column on this, bemoaning the loss of this traditional bit of protocol, which was adopted early on--by Jefferson, I think--as a sign of humility and as a tribute to the concept of the citizen politician. Thus, I hope that all on FR adopt the following usages for our former Presidents: Governor Carter, Governor Reagan, Ambassador Bush, The Rapist.
34 posted on 03/08/2003 6:17:15 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: tet68
The Souther Baptist Convention also happens to be opposed to butchering babies, while Jimmy was our first aggressively pro-abortion President, and our last pro-abortion President not to be credibly accused of rape.
35 posted on 03/08/2003 6:22:29 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Petronski
I just found some wallpaper!!!
36 posted on 03/08/2003 6:25:28 PM PST by mingwah
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To: TADSLOS
Try 444 days. You give Carter too much credit.
37 posted on 03/08/2003 6:27:07 PM PST by WarEagle
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To: TADSLOS
That was 444 days!
38 posted on 03/08/2003 6:29:49 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Illbay
Those are leaders earning popular respect without saying a thing. Those are leaders devoid any respect no matter how loud they shout.

Jimmuh Carter IS the leader in the latter group.

39 posted on 03/08/2003 6:30:35 PM PST by Toidylop
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To: Arthur McGowan; WarEagle
OOPS, Phat Phinger. Thanks for the correction.
40 posted on 03/08/2003 6:36:44 PM PST by TADSLOS (Sua Sponte)
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To: chasio649
It gets worse-we have a Seawolf class fast attack submarine named after him that's due to hit the open seas later this year, if not early next year. Scary, huh?
41 posted on 03/08/2003 6:47:45 PM PST by Severa (Wife of Freeper Hostel, USN Active Duty Submariner)
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To: Dont Mention the War
Our apparent determination to launch a war against Iraq, without international support.....

What planet are you living on, Jimmuh? Go back to something you can handle.....like swinging a hammer.

42 posted on 03/08/2003 7:04:37 PM PST by Republic If You Can Keep It
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To: Dont Mention the War
I've got the strangest feeling ole Jimmuh's going to run for President. . . again.
43 posted on 03/08/2003 7:13:10 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Dont Mention the War
Anybody has this lame excuse's e-mail address? Don't give me any of this igottahammer.com crap either. As I fume over this, think back when he was in and we were shown the family. I feel sorry for his brother. Poor Billy, he was probably the most functional in that family in a real sense. "Miss Lillian" as your mother; now we're having fun. Can you imagine Billy with Jimmah as your big brother, and mamma just going on about how wonderful Jimmah is. Billy I hope you mentioned to St. Peter that you served your time in hell when you got to the pearly gates; I hope he let you in. After living on the same planet with your brother since I found out he was actually on this earth (his candidency), I just recently realized your forgottn existance. Better you should be here than him.
44 posted on 03/08/2003 9:02:17 PM PST by Atchafalaya
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To: Conservative til I die
Carter or Clinton, anybody got a quarter? Notice they are both unnoticed governers of Southern States (pardon the caps). I remember after Carter was elected saying that the dimwits that voted for him had no idea who they voted for and that the real truth was to come. I will go to my grave remembering his "Grand Malaise" speech, nice try asshole. The best add campaign I'd ever seen in my life (at that time) to get elected. Until Slick. We must wait with BAITED __________ for the anointed one
45 posted on 03/08/2003 9:19:31 PM PST by Atchafalaya
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To: Dont Mention the War
Too bad he didn't take McCain's advise and just: SHUT UP!!
46 posted on 03/08/2003 9:27:35 PM PST by CyberAnt ( -> -> -> Oswego!!)
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To: Severa
I was almost sent to the USS Hawkbill SSN 666...that was scary also ;) I was on the USS Sunfish which always sounded so wimpy....but a sight better than USS Jimmy Carter....ohhh that's wretched.
47 posted on 03/08/2003 9:31:42 PM PST by chasio649
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To: jwalsh07
as a president who was severely provoked by international crises, I became thoroughly familiar with the principles of a just war

I'm damn near speechless at those words.

From a man who didn't even have the BALLS to go get our hostages!

Son of a bitch.

48 posted on 03/08/2003 9:33:20 PM PST by Howlin (Only UNamericans put the UN before America!)
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To: Atchafalaya
How could you forget his "moral equivalent of war," MEOW.
49 posted on 03/08/2003 9:34:22 PM PST by Howlin (Only UNamericans put the UN before America!)
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To: Howlin
My filipino wife is slowly getting up to speed on American politics...she was amazed about the hostages being released as soon as Ronnie was sworn into office...i kind of felt she didn't believe me when i told her.
50 posted on 03/08/2003 9:38:31 PM PST by chasio649
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