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AL QAEDA'S VIDEOTAPED SCHEME TO MASSACRE SCHOOLKIDS
New York Post ^ | 3/09/03 | AL GUART

Posted on 03/09/2003 12:42:32 AM PST by kattracks

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:12:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

HEAVILY armed al Qaeda thugs practiced storming a school, shooting children and taking hostages in a videotaped training exercise, The Post has learned.

The terror rehearsal took place under the mandate of al Qaeda's operations chief, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; iraq; preparedness; school; schools; schoolshooting; target; terrorism; trainingvideo; war
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1 posted on 03/09/2003 12:42:32 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
The religion of peace? These "people" are sick!
2 posted on 03/09/2003 12:48:53 AM PST by knak (kelly in alaska)
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To: kattracks
It is hard for the normal human heart and mind, still in possession of sanity, to grasp how any human being, or group of human beings, could be so debased and hardhearted.

But these people have shown us the truth. When they slit the throats of pilots and drove planes into office buildings, they removed any illusions that they were anything less than rabid animals who can only be put down to protect civilization.
3 posted on 03/09/2003 12:56:57 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Peace through Strength---Keep Up the Skeer)
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To: kattracks
And these are the people that the likes of Ramsey Clark say should have their rights protected?
4 posted on 03/09/2003 1:00:20 AM PST by Mo1 (RALLY FOR AMERICA - VALLEY FORGE,PA MARCH 16, 2003 1:00 PM)
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To: kattracks
Someone should show the tape to arcy Kaptur and Patty Murray and ask them if they still think that Al Qaeda is about the same as our Founding Fathers, and still think we should "understand" the terrorists.

And show the tape to all the bleeding hearts who worry that we may torture the terrorists.

They have no concept of the pure evil of these people. This is why Bush used the word "evil". There is no other description.
5 posted on 03/09/2003 1:02:59 AM PST by FairOpinion
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To: kattracks
Practicing taking a SCHOOL? What's to practice? They're unarmed.
6 posted on 03/09/2003 1:05:49 AM PST by The Raven
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To: knak
These "people" are sick!

Just as it irritates me when people insist on applying a euphemism for homicide bombers (by calling them suicide bombers), I truly wish people would call evil by its real name, and stop referring to evil as being sick. They are not synonymous.

Sick people do not conspire in and plot and premeditate the murders of innocents.
Evil people do calculate, relish in, and rationalize away the willful destruction of innocent people.

7 posted on 03/09/2003 1:08:15 AM PST by DontMessWithMyCountry (It's serious business being an American in America these days.)
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To: FairOpinion
Not to mention those peacenik hippies from Hollyweird like Jeannine Garafalo (sp) that were opposed to any military action, including the war against Usama and the Taliban.
8 posted on 03/09/2003 1:09:13 AM PST by GAGOPSWEEPTOVICTORY
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To: EternalVigilance
It's getting harder and harder to hold back the 'broad brush' of hatred for these people who belong to the demonic cult of islame.

This is just the tip of the iceberg. How much MORE remains hidden from our view? How many people can HONESTLY say that their peaceful, gentle, friendly islame neighbors harbor NO rabid 'religious' beliefs?

When these terrs strike again, within America, I certainly hope they are all single. (no family ties here) Because whatever they 'leave behind', will become targets of Americans.

I do NOT see how anyone can say that this is NOT a religious war. Is it that hard to figure out that the wackjobs ARE using their religious beliefs as their 'attack platform'?

9 posted on 03/09/2003 1:20:57 AM PST by mommadooo3
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To: DontMessWithMyCountry
Yes, I know that. Maybe I should've said they make me sick.
10 posted on 03/09/2003 1:28:06 AM PST by knak (kelly in alaska)
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To: mommadooo3
Indeed.
11 posted on 03/09/2003 1:30:15 AM PST by EternalVigilance (Peace through Strength---Keep Up the Skeer)
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To: ohioWfan; rintense; Howlin; Miss Marple; JohnHuang2; Libertina; RightOnline; glock rocks; ...
Don't miss this. I wonder how many liberal teachers and parents might feel about this. If something like this occurs (God forbid), do you suppose they'll be on TV telling everyone that we just need to understand why they hate us?
12 posted on 03/09/2003 1:32:06 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: EternalVigilance
What's even scarier, is that, if they still try to pull off such a thing, they will succeed.

EVERY public school is a heavily laden SLAUGHTER HOUSE. Zero tolerance has seen to that and kids are brainwashed into believing it's wrong to take self-defense actions.

13 posted on 03/09/2003 1:38:22 AM PST by mommadooo3
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To: anniegetyourgun
"Go before I kill you," a rifle-toting thug barks back.

The camera then zooms in on a terrorist, who stomps on a child.

This is the day they will regret! They are screwing around with the wrong people when they start killing American children(or any children for that matter).

What a bunch of low-life pigs.

14 posted on 03/09/2003 1:41:18 AM PST by kcvl
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To: kattracks
"The camera then zooms in on a terrorist, who stomps on a child."

These devil-worshippers will receive no mercy from the "god" they serve so well. Satan will fry them in the hottest depths of hell as he laughs at their stupidity.

"Evil is the ultimate stupidity." These satanists personify both.

15 posted on 03/09/2003 1:45:26 AM PST by Savage Beast (Libertarians for Flynt or Manson)
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To: kattracks
This is so utterly horrific. But this kind of evil is not surprising coming from the people who would fly aircraft into office towers.

What is truly more dangerous, imho, is the evil of people in America who appear to be normal human beings, but are frightening in the extent of their anti-Americanism and lack of support for our country in this time of World War III. One expects evil from one's enemies, but its the injury from friends and neighbors which hurts to the core, and is the more evil, because it lurks under a cloak of respectability.




16 posted on 03/09/2003 1:56:59 AM PST by FirstTomato ("We will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends" Martin Luther King)
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To: kattracks
The terrorists are going to carry out the most shocking, brutal and unthinkable attacks they can because these groups are led by sociopathic/psychopathic animals who thrive and are energized by power and violence. Their forms of government have failed their people, but the people do not know of that failure because most of them are not aware of any other way of life. It has been said that that most of them live in the 7th Century. They cover their inhuman acts with illogical interpretations of Islam which brings real and psychological fear into their people. Many of their leaders seems to be young, in their 20s and 30s. Their own people do not dare oppose even the smallest thought or action because punishment would be severe, including murder. Those who have experienced life in the West, I think are also motivated by envy. Their oppressive governments have failed and our governments of freedom have thrived. If any of us think that nations like France are repulsed by the thought that school children might be the targets of these murderers, think again. I believe France is calculating that the entire Arab world will eventually fall at its feet, giving it the benefit of oil money and influence and through the fear of the brutality of the terrorists, repression and control of the US and its allies will take place. It is prostitution at its best, folks. And, Korea..This entire situation reminds me of a pack of dogs. When the mean ones attack, those thought to be good will follow if there is the prospect of reward involved. This is the most serious situation of my lifetime and it is definitely a time for all Americans to think of one thing..Protecting Americans.
17 posted on 03/09/2003 2:08:53 AM PST by jazzlite
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To: DontMessWithMyCountry
Just as it irritates me when people insist on applying a euphemism for homicide bombers (by calling them suicide bombers)

Was Tim McVeigh a homicide bomber? I suppose so. After all, he did kill 168 people.

But he lit the fuse and walked away. Suppose, instead, that, stoked up on Allah, he'd been motivated to drive the truck straight into the building lobby and kill 268, perhaps, instead of only 168. He'd still have been a homicide bomber. But a more specific designation would be available: suicide bomber. Nothing euphemistic or PC about it.

Words are funny. Recently, a friend referred to the BLU 82 as a "15,000 pound martyr maker". I wondered why I chuckled at his use of the word martyr. I think I must have enjoyed the implied sneer at the twisted religiosity of the bomb's intended victims.

18 posted on 03/09/2003 2:14:55 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: The Raven
Practicing taking a SCHOOL? What's to practice? They're unarmed.

Yes, but these are Muslim Arabs.

Their great military victories rank right up with the French. They're best a terrorising the weak, but even that takes practice for them.

19 posted on 03/09/2003 3:03:19 AM PST by DAnconia55
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To: mommadooo3
Is Islam a valid religion? At best, IMHO, it is a brain washing cult of madmen.
20 posted on 03/09/2003 3:05:24 AM PST by tkathy
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To: FirstTomato
What is truly more dangerous, imho, is the evil of people in America who appear to be normal human beings, but are frightening in the extent of their anti-Americanism and lack of support for our country in this time of World War III. One expects evil from one's enemies, but its the injury from friends and neighbors which hurts to the core, and is the more evil, because it lurks under a cloak of respectability.

Absolutely. Make no mistake, those friends and neighbors who see nothing wrong with the actions of terrorists, who refuse to condemn them, and who wish to force us not to defend ourselves, are the aiders and abettors of evil. The only difference between them and the terrorists is their outward disguise. They are all on the same team, whether they realize it or not. You either oppose evil, or you don't oppose it and as a result you cooperate it with. There's no middle ground, even though the "respectable" ones pretend there IS a middle ground of neutrality. This enemy within, who looks just like you and me, is the most dangerous, because they are collaborators.

21 posted on 03/09/2003 3:23:10 AM PST by laz17 (Socialism is the religion of the atheist.)
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To: kattracks
This shows the Al Qaeda mindset: attack only those who are weaker than you, fight those who cannot fight back, spill blood of those who can barely resist. These are not men, they are the worst sort of cowards imaginable.

Regards, Ivan

22 posted on 03/09/2003 3:25:24 AM PST by MadIvan (Learn the power of the Dark Side, www.thedarkside.net)
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To: mommadooo3
I will be sure to mention this to some of my fellow colleagues on Monday.

Right now we practice intruder alerts.... locking doors, hiding the students, and turning out the lights.

We cower, and I despise it.

God forbid we would have a firearm to protect ourselves on the school grounds.

23 posted on 03/09/2003 3:31:16 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom.... needs a soldier !)
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To: MadIvan; kattracks
"A tape was found today showing redneck deer hunters practising 300+ yard kill shots with scoped, high powered rifles, using cutouts of terrorists as targets."

All jokes aside, you're right Ivan. These cowards refuse to fight like men. They pick targets that don't fight back.

24 posted on 03/09/2003 3:34:17 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: kcvl
>>They are screwing around with the wrong people when they start killing American children(or any children for that matter).


I agree, if this type of attack happens, the gloves will come off, including the use of tactical nukes...and almost no Americans will complain about it.
25 posted on 03/09/2003 3:40:36 AM PST by freeper12
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To: All
Attention, teachers in the State of Maine..............you know, those of you who were humiliating little kids in your classes because their fathers are in the military.

Take heed, you worthless scum. THIS is what those fathers are protecting YOU from. The kids in your care deserve it even if you don't.

26 posted on 03/09/2003 3:42:08 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: Northern Yankee
It's a pity that the schools are operating under the idea of, 'don't run, don't fight back, we'll only die tired.'

Zero tolerance equates to zero acceptance of real life and the ability to live it.

When the very FIRST school shooting happened, I started telling people I knew, the schools needed teachers who were 'packing'. Whoooweee. Most of those people thought I was a horrible parent, thought I needed to be in a psych ward, yadda, yadda. But then I discovered FR and now I don't feel like such a 'freak'. And I STILL believe armed teachers are the way to stop trouble when it starts and to protect the defenseless kids.

27 posted on 03/09/2003 3:51:20 AM PST by mommadooo3
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To: Mo1
IMHO, we should tell the confinees at Gitmo, that they will be afforded a 24-hr period of privacy without direct observation, dress Ramsey Clark in a set of military dungarees, with a tape recorder in his pocket and a copy of the Bible in his other pocket, place him inside their compund for the 24 hour period and then see what happens after 24 hours.
28 posted on 03/09/2003 3:54:24 AM PST by Cvengr
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To: Northern Yankee
BTW....it might have more of an impact if you printed this article for them to read. The written word carries more 'power' since it forces one to use their brain to think about what they're reading. LOL.
29 posted on 03/09/2003 4:03:21 AM PST by mommadooo3
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To: MadIvan
This shows the Al Qaeda mindset: attack only those who are weaker than you, fight those who cannot fight back, spill blood of those who can barely resist. These are not men, they are the worst sort of cowards imaginable.

Ivan, I'll use your comments as a springboard-
( assuming I can write a semi-coherent rant, as I am in Mr. Mom Mode- my wife's up early, demanding breakfast & such... )
-- yes, these bands of goat-humpers are the worst bunch of cowards I've ever seen.

They are neither warriors nor even common strong-arm criminals, but something far lower and more base.

Their rhetoric is filled with childish bombast and thunder, semantically-laden words which in the end signify little or nothing that civilzed people need to heed, other than that they hate us beyond reason.

While I hope this report will open some blind eyes, it is nothing that we did not know or suspect already- I truly wish we would take a page from Israel's playbook of a few years ago, and open our National Guard armouries to any citizen in good standing, and allow them to check out small arms suitable for nailing these vermin.

30 posted on 03/09/2003 4:11:33 AM PST by backhoe (North Korean Nukes, Hamas, OBL, 9-11... that was some "legacy" Clinton left us...)
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To: mommadooo3
Yep... I couldn't agree more.

During hunting season I have kept a firearm in my trunk.

Should something happen, I know where I am headed.

I teach in a very rural District, and it would take the police 20 minutes to get there.

By then who knows what will have happened.

31 posted on 03/09/2003 4:17:43 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom.... needs a soldier !)
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To: jazzlite
Well, those leaders seem to have chosen methods that are virtually guaranteed to galvanize us against them. I wonder if they realize that.
32 posted on 03/09/2003 4:20:08 AM PST by aristeides
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To: aristeides
You have to admit, it's a workable scheme. There is no one to stop them since guns aren't allowed near schools.
33 posted on 03/09/2003 4:23:22 AM PST by AppyPappy (Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris.)
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To: AppyPappy
I know of two local school administrators who carry. They are responsible for the kids in the schools. This is in a very rural area, not D.C. or Chicago.
34 posted on 03/09/2003 4:28:49 AM PST by 30-06 Springfield
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To: cynwoody
Wrong.

Suicide bomber is PC euphamism. The purpose of his actions is murder, not suicide. The news should say "15 innocent civilians were murdered today. State sponsored murderers from the Palistiniam Authority murdered 15 innocent people when ..." Murder of civilians is the goal, intention, and result. Thus even the term "militant" is misapplied - these cowards go after little girls and people on buses - they never attack a military installation.

Homicide bomber is euphemistic in its own way - murder would be more accurate - as in "First degree murder" which is what these are.

35 posted on 03/09/2003 4:35:23 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((no more movies anymore))
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To: mommadooo3
Not all Muslims are like this. Muslims in these outhouse creepy countries are the victims of these nutcases too. I have a Muslim friend who, as a child, knew of people dragged from their homes, never to be seen again, just for expressing the wrong thought. Our job is to go after the evil.

Here's how I see it. All countries get the same basic mix of people. Some saints, some good, most morally neutral, some bad, and some evil. In this country, the good and sometimes the saintly run things. It's the "you can't fool all the people all the time" thing. It roots out evil. Keeps it at bay. The Hitler wannabes in the USA are pumping gas, or sitting in a prison, or collecting unemployment. They're not leading the country except in their demented dreams. No State approved torture or rape gangs, and very little institutionalized evil. Our basic system tends to support goodness.

In many countries the opposite is true. The biggest thug rules. And evil has earmarks. In those countries, the good, the saintly and the morally neutral still live - but they're not in charge. And they're usually the victims. As time goes by they tend to rationalize the evil around them and become "twisted"... Still victims, but not as easily seen in those terms.

The battle with evil uses the double edged sword of force and love. Without the love, there is nothing.

When these terrs strike again, within America, I certainly hope they are all single. (no family ties here) Because whatever they 'leave behind', will become targets of Americans.

36 posted on 03/09/2003 4:51:16 AM PST by GOPJ
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To: mommadooo3
Not all Muslims are like this. Muslims in these outhouse creepy countries are the victims of these nutcases too. I have a Muslim friend who, as a child, knew of people dragged from their homes, never to be seen again, just for expressing the wrong thought. Our job is to go after the evil.

Here's how I see it. All countries get the same basic mix of people. Some saints, some good, most morally neutral, some bad, and some evil. In this country, the good and sometimes the saintly run things. It's the "you can't fool all the people all the time" thing. It roots out evil. Keeps it at bay. The Hitler wannabes in the USA are pumping gas, or sitting in a prison, or collecting unemployment. They're not leading the country except in their demented dreams. No State approved torture or rape gangs, and very little institutionalized evil. Our basic system tends to support goodness.

In many countries the opposite is true. The biggest thug rules. And evil has earmarks. In those countries, the good, the saintly and the morally neutral still live - but they're not in charge. And they're usually the victims. As time goes by they tend to rationalize the evil around them and become "twisted"... Still victims, but not as easily seen in those terms.

The battle with evil uses the double edged sword of force and love. Without the love, there is nothing.

When these terrs strike again, within America, I certainly hope they are all single. (no family ties here) Because whatever they 'leave behind', will become targets of Americans.

37 posted on 03/09/2003 4:51:17 AM PST by GOPJ
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To: mommadooo3; All
Not all Muslims are like this. Muslims in these outhouse creepy countries are the victims of these nutcases too. I have a Muslim friend who, as a child, knew of people dragged from their homes, never to be seen again, just for expressing the wrong thought. Our job is to go after the evil.

Here's how I see it. All countries get the same basic mix of people. Some saints, some good, most morally neutral, some bad, and some evil. In this country, the good and sometimes the saintly run things. It's the "you can't fool all the people all the time" thing. It roots out evil. Keeps it at bay. The Hitler wannabes in the USA are pumping gas, or sitting in a prison, or collecting unemployment. They're not leading the country except in their demented dreams. No State approved torture or rape gangs, and very little institutionalized evil. Our basic system tends to support goodness.

In many countries the opposite is true. The biggest thug rules. And evil has earmarks. In those countries, the good, the saintly and the morally neutral still live - but they're not in charge. And they're usually the victims. As time goes by they tend to rationalize the evil around them and become "twisted"... Still victims, but not as easily seen in those terms.

The battle with evil uses the double edged sword of force and love. Without the love, there is nothing.

When these terrs strike again, within America, I certainly hope they are all single. (no family ties here) Because whatever they 'leave behind', will become targets of Americans.

38 posted on 03/09/2003 4:51:41 AM PST by GOPJ
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To: kattracks
al Qaeda thugs practiced storming a school, shooting children and taking hostages

Did they also have live footage of the 1974 Ma'alot school massacre?

39 posted on 03/09/2003 4:55:07 AM PST by Alouette
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To: RightOnline
Take heed, you worthless scum. THIS is what those fathers are protecting YOU from. The kids in your care deserve it even if you don't.

BRAVO!

40 posted on 03/09/2003 5:01:11 AM PST by varon
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To: knak

Actually, they are not sick. They are quite sane.

The Allgemeine SS were quite sane as well as they herded Jews into gas chambers. Heinrich Himmler and Reinhard Heydrich were rational men, family men.

Yet they did what they did, without remorse.

Al Qaeda is merely fanatic enough to justify the mass killing of children in their own minds. This has happened before in history. In killing the Jews, Hitler believed he was doing "...the Lord's work."

Al Qaeda is of the same coin. This is another reason why they must be hunted down and exterminated to the last man.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

41 posted on 03/09/2003 5:08:58 AM PST by section9 (The girl in the picture is Major Motoko Kusanagi from "Ghost In the Shell".)
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To: Alouette

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42 posted on 03/09/2003 5:13:47 AM PST by backhoe (North Korean Nukes, Hamas, OBL, 9-11... that was some "legacy" Clinton left us...)
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To: section9

"And then some. "

43 posted on 03/09/2003 5:21:24 AM PST by Diogenesis
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To: anniegetyourgun
This tape, or one similar to this tape, was found in Afghanistan last year and the left needs to be reminded of the dangers we face on a daily basis since they seem to be of such limited intelligence and memory.
44 posted on 03/09/2003 5:27:59 AM PST by Peach
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To: kattracks
Why this piece of news about Al Qaeda should shock anyone is beyond me. If they are willing and able to take passenger planes by force with something as simple as a boxcutter, slit people's throats, then fly the planes into skyscrapers killing thousands, why would anyone not expect them to do something as easy as slaughtering school kids. The shock and pyschological effect is what they are after as much as the act of killing itself. They're terrorists. They terrorize. They need to be wiped off the face of the planet, one by one or en masse.
45 posted on 03/09/2003 5:41:12 AM PST by TADSLOS (Sua Sponte)
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To: knak
Hey Liberals!

Appease Terrorists.

Er, "FOR THE CHILDREN"!

46 posted on 03/09/2003 5:48:33 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Easy to UNDERRATE N.Korea: Idiotic leader, starving people. BUT DON'T! They could attack in a flash.)
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To: jazzlite
You note illogical interpretations of Islam, yet an author (Greg Winn) who has studied The Koran extensively was saying on the radio yesterday that this would not be correct. It indeed teaches that good Muslims should kill all the infidels. There is no equivocation at all on this matter.
48 posted on 03/09/2003 5:51:44 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: kattracks
This sounds like a natural progression for Al Qaeda, and I frankly wonder why it hasn't happened before.

That said, this Idema fellow is considered to be, if not an outright fraud, at the very least a liar and opportunist, by the Special Forces community. I'd be very wary of taking anything he says at face value.
49 posted on 03/09/2003 5:55:49 AM PST by kms61
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To: kattracks
Segments of the videotapes viewed by The Post...

When do the PEOPLE of America get to see these video tapes?

50 posted on 03/09/2003 5:57:12 AM PST by aeronca
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