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Partial Birth Abortion-live thread at senate
www.cspan.org ^ | 3/10/03 | VRWC_minion

Posted on 03/10/2003 4:16:02 PM PST by VRWC_minion

I was surprised to see debate occuring on senate floor regarding partial birth abortion.


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1 posted on 03/10/2003 4:16:02 PM PST by VRWC_minion
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To: VRWC_minion
Go to Cspan2, it is listed as middle east peace process, not abortion.
2 posted on 03/10/2003 4:16:59 PM PST by VRWC_minion ( Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: VRWC_minion
It's going on now?
3 posted on 03/10/2003 4:17:03 PM PST by Green
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To: Green
It is on now, and includes a shameless display by some of our favorite Democrat Senators.
4 posted on 03/10/2003 4:18:19 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: VRWC_minion
U.S. Senate to address Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act Beginning the week of March 10, the U.S. Senate will begin debate on the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act.

This action is in response to President Bush's appeal to ban an abhorrent procedure that offends human dignity. The legislation (S. 3), sponsored by Sen. Rick Santorum, would ban an abortion method in which a living baby is mostly delivered alive before being killed. The bill has been a major prolife priority since 1995.

It was twice vetoed by President Clinton.

A January Gallup poll found that 70 percent of the public favors the ban. Nevertheless, the bill still faces fierce resistance from lawmakers closely allied with the abortion lobby.

It is not yet known whether pro-abortion senators will attempt to impede the bill with a filibuster.

Close votes are expected on crippling amendments, including an alternative measure that prolife groups refer to as "the phony ban."

ACTION REQUESTED

Because the vote is so near, phone calls and faxed letters are the best way to communicate with senators' offices.

Ask our senators to support the Partial-Birth Abortion Act of 2003. E-mail is also useful, but in some cases it may not be counted in time to impact the vote. Where possible, use all three of these modes of communication.

Ask them to support only the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act sponsored by Sen. Rick Santorum, and to oppose any amendments that gut the bill of any practical effectiveness

5 posted on 03/10/2003 4:20:23 PM PST by apackof2 (....the object is make the other son of a bitch die for his country)
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To: Green
Apparently live. Boxer is amazed there is no womens health exception. Asking for support for amendments on womens health.

Roe v wade is a "modest" descision.

6 posted on 03/10/2003 4:21:08 PM PST by VRWC_minion ( Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: VRWC_minion
bttt
7 posted on 03/10/2003 4:21:41 PM PST by firewalk
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To: VRWC_minion
THe most important thing of all this is about real people-Boxer.
8 posted on 03/10/2003 4:22:38 PM PST by VRWC_minion ( Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: VRWC_minion
Are they going to vote on this tonight?
9 posted on 03/10/2003 4:24:10 PM PST by Howlin (Only UNamericans put the UN before America!)
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To: VRWC_minion
WTF is this woman yakking about? Is killing babies something she is proud of?

It's OK to kill babies in the womb, but not to execute convicted murders....go figure.

I'll never figure these people out...why bother any more?
10 posted on 03/10/2003 4:24:47 PM PST by GRRRRR (Scuse me Mr. DaisyCutter, did you drop something??)
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To: VRWC_minion
Boxer is challenging the R's to make this about ALL abortion.
11 posted on 03/10/2003 4:25:07 PM PST by VRWC_minion ( Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: Cboldt
Er, aren't those RATs supposed to be filibustering Estrada? I think it's time for another cloture vote.
12 posted on 03/10/2003 4:25:12 PM PST by steveegg (12 years of inspections + 0 compliance = no peace ... 200,000 troops + 1 W = peace + liberation)
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To: VRWC_minion
Boxer is amazed there is no womens health exception.

Can you tell me what health risk there is to a woman who can apparently deliver a viable baby?

13 posted on 03/10/2003 4:25:17 PM PST by Howlin (Only UNamericans put the UN before America!)
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To: Howlin
No idea. I just stumbled on this.
14 posted on 03/10/2003 4:25:52 PM PST by VRWC_minion ( Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: VRWC_minion
Guess I'll log on to cspan and see if I can stomach some of this while I still sit here at work trying to get a few more things done before I leave for the day.
15 posted on 03/10/2003 4:27:57 PM PST by Green
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To: VRWC_minion; All
Listen online here:

C Span2 Live

16 posted on 03/10/2003 4:28:36 PM PST by Jean S
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To: VRWC_minion
bttt
17 posted on 03/10/2003 4:28:39 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Green
Who would want to have a child with MOST of these women anyway?
18 posted on 03/10/2003 4:29:30 PM PST by kcvl
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To: VRWC_minion
If the procedure takes 3 days (I didn't know that) how can it be safe ? Followed by several DR's quotes about how its not necessary.

19 posted on 03/10/2003 4:29:41 PM PST by VRWC_minion ( Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: kcvl
They all look good after 2 am.
20 posted on 03/10/2003 4:30:46 PM PST by VRWC_minion ( Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: VRWC_minion
Here is Boxer a few years ago



"I Am Not Answering These Questions!"-- A Senate Exchange on Birth and Partial Birth Abortion.
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a395cf93f1d87.htm
21 posted on 03/10/2003 4:30:53 PM PST by Mo1 (RALLY FOR AMERICA - VALLEY FORGE,PA MARCH 16, 2003 1:00 PM)
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To: VRWC_minion
Voinovich of Ohio describing process.
22 posted on 03/10/2003 4:31:42 PM PST by VRWC_minion ( Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: VRWC_minion
ROFLOL! And DRUNK?
23 posted on 03/10/2003 4:32:53 PM PST by kcvl
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To: VRWC_minion
I don't like partial birth abortions, and I wish the states would outlaw them. But could someone please tell me what provision of the US Constitution gives Congress any authority over this issue? Maybe in the military, or on Indian reservations, but that's about all the jurisdiction they have, as I see it.
24 posted on 03/10/2003 4:33:21 PM PST by PatrickHenry (The universe is made for life, therefore ID. Life can't arise naturally, therefore ID.)
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To: VRWC_minion
OMG 3 days to complete?
25 posted on 03/10/2003 4:33:49 PM PST by Green
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To: VRWC_minion
Three times during Clinton's presidency PBA was passed by both houses, only to be vetoed at his desk. Somehow, I don't think it will be vetoed this time.

Go pop some popcorn, and get ready for the plaintive wails of the NAG crowd howling in their irrelevancy. In fact, it's about time that their precious "Constitutional Right" (which appears nowhere in the Constitution) saw some limits... preferably as many as there are to my Second Amendment rights, which are explicitly delineated, and more strongly-worded than any other expressly protected right. "Shall not infringe"!

26 posted on 03/10/2003 4:34:06 PM PST by Teacher317
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And there is also George Will reporting in Newsweek, February 3, 1997. (speaking of the partial-birth procedure) "Let's assume . . . the head is accidentally delivered. Would you allow the doctor to kill the baby?

Senator Feingold: ". . . That is a question that should be answered by a doctor, and by the woman who receives the advice from the doctor." Mr. Will also noted that Senator Frank Lautenberg was asked the same question and gave basically the same answer. Will goes on, "That is clear enough: neither Feingold nor Lautenberg would say `no' to treating the killing of a newborn baby as a mere `choice.'

Jill Stanek, a nurse who practiced at Chicago's Oak Lawn Hospital, appeared on Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor and described the practice. "Many times an infant enters the world alive, only to be left to die--without any medical assistance or intervention in this abortion procedure."

27 posted on 03/10/2003 4:35:02 PM PST by friendly
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To: steveegg
There was a bit of Estrada earlier in the day. I like that the DEMs are getting pressure on a number of fronts, all at the same time. Feels more like a war this way.

I am of hte opinion that they will lose the PBA debate, the Estrada obstruction, and various and sundry other battles on the way to the demise of their party.

28 posted on 03/10/2003 4:35:16 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: GRRRRR
"Is killing babies something she is proud of?"

Yes.
29 posted on 03/10/2003 4:35:16 PM PST by GilesB
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To: PatrickHenry
IIRC (and please FReepers correct me if I'm wrong), but SCOTUS used the Interstate Commerce Clause to regulate abortion from the federal bench.
30 posted on 03/10/2003 4:35:17 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317
Yikes...Boxer up....mute,mute,mute
31 posted on 03/10/2003 4:37:54 PM PST by Green
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To: Green
Yes, it's a dangerous procedure....and always fatal to the child.
32 posted on 03/10/2003 4:42:38 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: PatrickHenry
But could someone please tell me what provision of the US Constitution gives Congress any authority over this issue?

None that I can see but I do see Rights for the unborn Child

The Right to "Life" Liberty and the Persuit of Happiness

33 posted on 03/10/2003 4:43:54 PM PST by The Mayor (I'm Proud to be an American where at least I know I'm Free!)
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To: PatrickHenry
Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments
34 posted on 03/10/2003 4:45:06 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: The Mayor
Boxer states, "there are no partial birth abortions".

She is a liar.

35 posted on 03/10/2003 4:49:39 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Yes, definitely the 5th (life liberty & property) and the 14th. It was (more or less) based on the right of privacy (a woman's privacy) which is, says the court, an aspect of her liberty. Defininitely not interestate commerce. Should be interesting, in view of that, how the present ban can be worked out. Roe v. Wade was bad law. They should have left it to the states.
36 posted on 03/10/2003 4:49:57 PM PST by PatrickHenry (The universe is made for life, therefore ID. Life can't arise naturally, therefore ID.)
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To: VRWC_minion
Arkansas Governor Signs 'Choose Life' Plates Into Law

Monday, March 10, 2003

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — Gov. Mike Huckabee signed a bill Monday authorizing a "Choose Life" specialty license plate, adding Arkansas to a growing list of states that allow car tags with an anti-abortion slogan.

The plates will cost $35 more than standard license tags, with part of the proceeds to be distributed to nonprofit groups that counsel pregnant women and encourage adoption. No money could go to organizations that promote or provide abortions.

"We believed it was a great opportunity to assist in the adoption process and at the same time make a statement about the sanctity of life," Huckabee said.

Critics have said the plates will likely lead to court battles. The Arkansas chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union said Monday it is considering whether to challenge the law on constitutional grounds.

Rita Sklar, the director of the state ACLU chapter, has said the issue is not abortion, but the state taking sides in a political issue — and directing money to it.

"You have the government setting up a scheme whereby it is supporting a particular political point of view. That is improper under the First Amendment," she said Monday.

"Choose Life" license plates have been the subject of court fights in a handful of states in recent years, with some critics arguing that they create the impression of state endorsement of religion. In December, the U.S. Supreme Court ended an attempt to block a similar plate in Louisiana when it decided not to hear the tag opponents' appeal.

At the time, Louisiana was one of seven states authorizing such tags. The others were Alabama, Florida, Hawaii, Mississippi, Oklahoma and South Carolina.
37 posted on 03/10/2003 4:52:18 PM PST by kcvl
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To: VRWC_minion

38 posted on 03/10/2003 4:53:43 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
She is an absolute piece of Trash
39 posted on 03/10/2003 4:57:47 PM PST by The Mayor (I'm Proud to be an American where at least I know I'm Free!)
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To: PatrickHenry
They should have left it to the states.

Depends. Strictly speaking from the Bork school of the Constitution it is a state issue since crimes such as murder are reserved to the states.

However, the 14th amendment would require the federal government to act to protect the fifth amendment right to life of the baby if the states won't act.

The States haven't acted.

40 posted on 03/10/2003 4:58:09 PM PST by jwalsh07
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Bttt
41 posted on 03/10/2003 4:58:15 PM PST by firewalk
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To: VRWC_minion
Has Ms. Boxer, or any Dem, explained how the health of the mother can be affected by an 80 percent birthed baby having scissors jammed through it's skull? It seems that at that point the least invasive act to the mother is to let the head slip out. Leaving the head in has to be more dangerous to her.

Dems must defend the science of "the health of the mother" exception. As a sophomore scientist, I believe it is a sham.

42 posted on 03/10/2003 5:02:28 PM PST by ez (Iraq has the Drone, but We have the Crone...(Helen Thomas))
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To: BeforeISleep
Estrada is on the docket tomorrow, after (an hour?) of debate on PBA. Then, back to PBA, with a vote to occur before the end of the week. Then, Estrada again. Two balls in the air. The GOP can walk and chew gum at the same time.
43 posted on 03/10/2003 5:03:01 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: BeforeISleep
Estrada is on the docket tomorrow, after (an hour?) of debate on PBA. Then, back to PBA, with a vote to occur before the end of the week. Then, Estrada again. Two balls in the air. The GOP can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Update - HOLY COW!!

Cheny presides over Senate as it debates toe constitutional separation of powers respecting confirmation of judges!

44 posted on 03/10/2003 5:04:10 PM PST by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt
The GOP can walk and chew gum at the same time...

they're learning....
45 posted on 03/10/2003 5:04:43 PM PST by firewalk
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To: Cboldt
Cheney is presiding over the senate tomorrow? Is that what you are saying?
46 posted on 03/10/2003 5:10:29 PM PST by Green
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To: apackof2; VRWC_minion
This might help to see how those who are still in the Senate voted in 1999. http://www.nchla.org/issue/abortion/pba1999.pdf

Hopefully the dems want vote partyline.

Target:

Delaware
Biden-D
Carper-D

Florida
Nelson-D

Georgia
Miller-D

Indiana
Bayh-D

Louisiana
Breaux-D
Landrieu-D

Maine
Snowe-R
Collins-R

Michigan
Stabenow-D

Missouri
Talent-R

Nebraska
Nelson-D

Nevada
Reid-D

New Jersey
Laughtenberg-D

North Dakota
Conrad-D
Dorgan-D

Rhode Island
Chafee-R

South Carolina
Hollings-D

South Dakota
Daschle-D
Johnson-D

Vermont
Leahy-D

Virginia
Allen

West Virginia
Byrd-D

47 posted on 03/10/2003 5:11:32 PM PST by swheats
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To: Cboldt
Let's hope he request a vote on Estrada before he leaves the Chair.
48 posted on 03/10/2003 5:12:40 PM PST by swheats
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To: All
Not to make anyone feel any worse about the partial birth abortion, but a nurse on tv a few years ago, had participated in a few of the abortions and quit! She said the baby actually cries or screams, when the sissors are inserted. (I can't get past her statement.)
49 posted on 03/10/2003 5:15:37 PM PST by the Deejay
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To: VRWC_minion
bump
50 posted on 03/10/2003 5:16:59 PM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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