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Cochise County View of the Border (congressional testimony by US Army Col. (retired) ^ | Mar. 10, 2003 | Col. Ben Anderson

Posted on 03/11/2003 11:46:44 AM PST by madfly

The Cochise County View of the Border
Testimony of Ben L. Anderson Jr., Col US Army Retired,
submitted to U.S. Subcommittee on Criminal Justice,
Drug Policy and Human Resources,
Representative Mark Souder, Chairman.
March 10, 2003
My name is Ben L. Anderson Jr.; I am a retired U.S. Army Infantry Colonel.  I am a resident of Cochise County, Arizona.  I served my country for almost 3 decades as a soldier and officer in the U.S. Army.  A significant portion of my career was spent planning for defense of and defending other nation’s borders.  We did quite well.  We won the cold war and we are the only standing superpower.  We are the world’s experts at border security.
I have no personal interest in illegal immigration or in U.S. drug policy except as a patriotic citizen of the United States.   I am not being paid or influenced by any entity whatsoever for my testimony submitted to you this day.
I wish to make three points immediately.
Firstly, your letter regarding this hearing states: Substantial progress on these issues has been made since the attacks on September 11, 2001…”  I can assure you that we in Cochise County see no basis for such a positive statement.
In fact, Cochise County does not even have any Border Patrol checkpoints in operation.  Illegal aliens of whatever ilk who get past the initial porous line of sparse Border Patrol presence are free to drive direct to Phoenix or Omaha or anywhere else in the continental U.S.  Admittedly, this unique tactic surely does cut down on the number of apprehensions and improve the statistical numbers for bureaucratic reporting, but does little to solve the problem.
Secondly, it is difficult to separate people smuggling from drug smuggling from terrorist smuggling.  They all are intertwined and mutually supportive.
Thirdly, far too little attention has been paid to the danger of exotic human and animal diseases resulting from the ingress of large masses of medically unscreened illegal aliens from most of the 3rd world’s undeveloped countries. 
The US/Mexico border situation in Cochise County, Arizona has been and remains out of control.  Briefings by US Border Patrol senior authorities do not reflect reality and the Border Patrol’s credibility in this regard has been in question by the local citizenry for years.  The measure of success is not how many illegal aliens the border patrol catches and re-catches.  The measure is how many they missed and how many illegal aliens successfully penetrated into the interior of the United States.  Currently, ranchers and other knowledgeable citizens estimate the apprehension rate has decreased from 1 in 5 to 1 in 10.  On occasion is can be 0 out of 200.  Thus, any apprehension statistic quoted by Border Patrol executives must be multiplied ten-fold or more to ascertain the failure rate.  There is no known measurement standard that calls 10% or less a passing grade.
Documentation by various US government agencies to include the GAO; numerous civilian organizations; the media - print, radio and TV; American citizens along the border and congress itself have proven without any doubt that the current and programmed INS/Border Patrol structure will not be able to contain the illegal alien invasion from Mexico.  Doing a name change or a line diagram adjustment under the Department of Home Security or placing this motley crew under the Pope will not effect changes soon enough.
 There continue to be a series of gambits to assuage the concerns of the border citizens.  The standard ploy is to ask again and again for more funding and/or new funding to offset the costs of medical care or prison incarceration costs or whatever.   These quests for more money are akin to throwing oats at a dead horse.  The current policy horse is dead. 
 I shall not waste the committee’s time discussing whether or not we should protect or defend our sovereign borders or whether illegal aliens have any standing or justification for invading our sovereign nation.  I shall not waste my time debating the parsing of their illegal status.
 "undocumented," "undocumented workers," "undocumented immigrants," "undocumented Mexicans," "immigrants," "illegal immigrants," "illegal residents," "foreign-born," "foreign-born workers," "foreign-born inmate," "foreign-born newcomers," "lower-wage illegal workers," "migrant workers," "alien absconders," "guest workers," "border crossers," "foreign nationals," "Mexicans," "Mexican nationals," "Mexican-born expatriates," "Hispanic immigrants," "Spanish speakers," "Hispanics," "under-banked, under-served population," "newcomers," "illegal newcomers," "poor immigrants," "entrants," "Hispanic Community citizens," "border jumpers," "visitor," "Latinos," "people without papers", "people."
More euphemisms are invented daily.  They are legally defined as “illegal aliens”. 
It is not money that is needed to fight this synergistic and symbiotic business of crime and corruption; it is the military.  Only the military can close the border to the illegal entry of those who would do our nation and its economy harm.  Trying to buy off the problem with other taxpayer’s money is rather insulting to all of us who live in Cochise County.  We don’t want other taxpayer’s money - we want the problem stopped.  We want the military.  Further, any attempts to “regularize” (code for amnesty) or institute some guestworker program, so as to appease those who profit from cheap slave labor, are mere political gambits. 
It is most disturbing that a young U.S. Border Patrol Agent, stationed in Naco can have been murdered south of the border and yet hear no cry of outrage from any of our elected officials at any level.  It is as if the young 23 year old agent, married and a father had been run over by a truck or some other innocuous accident.  He was murdered by a known drug trafficker – recently released by our authorities in a business as usual fashion. 
Equally, disturbing was the murder of Kris Eggle of the National Park Service by similar thugs from Mexico. 
If a U.S Border Patrol Agent and a U.S. Park Service Ranger can be murdered with such a muted uproar – what message has been sent to the illegal alien smugglers and drug traffickers and to the Mexican government?   And what measure of safety does any lone rancher or property owner feel?
Both incidents bring to question – Just what does Congress think is going on here on the border?  And what does it take to make an impact?   This is admittedly the seventh field hearing held by the Subcommittee along the nation’s borders to address the situation.  How many more will it take?  And does this all not sound like the United Nations contemplating its navel with regard to Saddam Hussein and Iraq?
There have already been six of these hearings, yet no progress in the eyes the American citizens who live along the border in Cochise County.  In fact, matters worsen daily.  Since the last such session that I am aware of back on February 22, 2002 in Sierra Vista, not only has there been absolutely no progress, but now various citizen groups have formed to take the matter into their own hands to defend the border and deter the invasion of illegal aliens, drug traffickers and potential terrorists.  Three that come to mind are The Ranch Rescue group out of Texas, the American Border Patrol formed in Hereford, (just south of Sierra Vista) and the Citizen Homeland Defense Corps formed in Tombstone.  I have received correspondence that another out of state group also wishes for form up for the same purpose.  Each group operates independently according to its own agenda and methodology. 
These citizen groups have been assailed by various open-borders activist groups as being vigilantes and as militias for doing what they feel they must do to fill the void left by the inaction of government at all levels charged with protecting the general public.   We can expect that there will be more groups.  I also expect that given the continued failure of agencies at all levels to properly address the problem, the situation will devolve into even more tragic events. 
The general mantra by agencies at all levels is the lack of funding and much finger pointing.  Everyone wants more funding and all blame the federal government.  No one takes any responsibility at any level.  Caught in the middle is are the ranchers, property owners and families who live along the border. The bureaucratic non-action is of little solace to American parents who must escort their children to the local rural bus stop or mail box a catch a school bus because illegal aliens are hiding in the undergrowth while they await their “rides” to Phoenix and other distant destinations.  Ranchers and property owners continue to find drug stashes on their property awaiting pickup by drug traffickers.  They fear that they can be charged as drug traffickers themselves. 
The people and drug smuggling is not just limited to Cochise County. Two Peoria elementary schools in Phoenix were placed in lockdown recently as police searched a home suspected of being a haven for dozens of illegal immigrants. Officers later surrounded a house, and at least 45 people stepped outside and surrendered to federal immigration officials.  An estimated 20 others remained inside, refusing to surrender, as the operation continued into the evening. At least six of the 45 were suspected "coyotes," or immigrant smugglers.  During the initial stages of the probe, Santa Fe Elementary and Ira A. Murphy Elementary schools were placed in lockdown as officers targeted a home, later identified as the "safe house," across the street from the school playground. SWAT teams were employed.  Illegals reported that as many as 100 illegal aliens were kept in the safe houses.  Peoria is in Phoenix.
Ranching families are sick and tired of having to have their high school boys and girls go about their ranch chores armed and carrying radios at all times.  I stress again that American high school children are forced to carry weapons to be safe on their own ranches in the United States.   Some of these children have already been threatened and attacked by illegals over 30 miles north of the border.
Communities are sick and tired of having their youth co-opted into being drivers and suppliers for coyotes and drug traffickers.  The lure of enormous amounts of cash for little effort is overwhelming.  These youths become high school dropouts and may never be recovered to a proper way of life.
The environmental and economic costs to the ranching communities have been overwhelming, yet have never been addressed.  As a result, many Arizona ranching families have been forced into bankruptcy; many others are on the verge of bankruptcy.  Land values have plummeted.  The cause is the lack of border security.  Currently, gun dealers in Cochise County report that they are unable to keep up with the surge in demand for both guns and ammunition.   Citizens are arming themselves.  They feel that bloodshed is on the horizon.
Just last week Ft. Huachuca reports that nearly 90 illegal aliens were apprehended on the military reservation. Some were apprehended walking in the housing areas of the senior officers.  Ft. Huachuca is the U.S. Army’s Intelligence Center.  Over 180 have been apprehended on the post from Oct thru December.  The total is unknown from January to now.  Ft. Huachuca is a closed military installation.  When I drive on to post I must show a picture military ID card. 
Environmental concerns to include the valuation of wildlife freedom of movement that compromises border security or safety is simply unethical and immoral.   To suggest any form of fencing that compromises the war on drugs or illegal aliens or potential terrorists for environmental concerns is similarly repugnant. 
While nature abhors a vacuum, so too does the lack of border security and general lawlessness.   We all fear that it will take a major bloodletting to get Congress off the dime. 
It is not business as usual solved by simple funding increases.  We have a border war going on under the radar.  Neither the U.S. Border Patrol, nor surely the U.S. Park Service was ever expected to face this type of situation. 
We simply are not taking this invasion of our nation seriously; certainly, not seriously enough.
No amount of funding or manpower increases can fix the Border Patrol structure, organization or operational shortfalls in a timely manner.  The Border Patrol was simply never envisioned to face such a daunting threat.  It cannot be "grown" to the task in any reasonable timeframe.
However, the mission of protecting US national border sovereignty remains and the mission cannot be compromised given the threat to the national security, the economy and America’s culture and values.  The chaotic border situation reflects a significant weak link in national security at a time in history when uncontrolled access to the American Homeland by terrorists, illegal aliens and drug traffickers can have demonstrated horrific repercussions as witnessed in the WTC and Pentagon attacks.
Our nation remains on constant terrorist alert, yet a multi-thousand mile border with Mexico -- a 3rd world country noted for corruption at all levels in most of its agencies, drug trafficking, general lawlessness and mistreatment of its own underclass -- remains like a sieve.  It is a moral imperative that appropriate measures are taken to seal the border and contain this invasion.  It must be repeatedly stressed that the mission is one of national security and not law enforcement.
The United States Military is well structured, manned, funded, trained and capable of quickly accomplishing the mission.  There is no need to tell our nation's superb military how to do anything.  The command structure, when given the task, will quickly be able to task organize its assets in an efficient and cost-effective manner.  The US Military has accepted many a new, difficult, distant and often non-traditional task with alacrity and succeeded.  Desert Storm and the Afghanistan mission are but examples.  The mission in Iraq will be another.  There will be more.
It is not the military that needs instruction on how to do any of its tasks.  It is the congress that needs to educate itself as to the feasibility of the mission.  Regrettably there are members of congress who are not versed in border denial operations or basic military matters, and who, in their ignorance, do a disservice to the nation by refusing to consider the military option.
Our military has decades of experience in border security missions - from 1945 till the collapse of the Soviet Union in Europe, from the end of open hostilities in Korea and continuing in to this day, and Bosnia and Kosovo, etc.  In fact, the American military is the world's expert at protecting other nation's borders.  It is time that unique experience is used at home where it is sorely needed.
There is no need for large military units, or heavy equipment or tracked vehicles such as tanks, artillery or armored personnel carriers; or heavy weapons or any equipment that might be ecologically destructive.   Light forces with rapid airmobile (helicopter) mobility can cover large remote border areas with minimal assets while freeing up limited Border Patrol assets to concentrate on congested urban areas or where their particular expertise is needed.
In southeastern Arizona, where the main concentration of illegal alien and drug traffic exists, (upwards of 1.5 million illegal aliens per year successfully cross into the United States through Cochise County alone), the stationing structure already exists for rapid deployment.  Ft. Huachuca provides a perfect location for border operations of any needed military units.
Military engineer units from the active and reserve components can rapidly emplace requisite fencing in areas where needed.  Units (active and reserve) can be rotated to maintain the operational tempo of other Department of Defense missions.  The task is simple and requires very limited training, if any at all.  Standard "rules of engagement" suffice. 
Concurrently, INS and Border Patrol forces can take on their mandated task of searching out illegal aliens within the county and repatriating them to their country of origin.
Finally, the military would be genuinely welcomed by the local citizenry who are frustrated at the unsatisfactory state and national response to the problem. 
It is a wining situation for the military, for the local citizenry, the state and the nation.
Frankly, the refusal to defend our borders with our own well trained military seems very similar to the games being played out by the United Nations in refusing to face up to the reality of Sadam Hussein.  The difference is that the UN asks for more time; whereas with regard to the assault on our borders there remain those politicos who would ask always for more funding to appease the monster hoping to buy their way out of the problem with taxpayer’s money.  Yet, all indications support the undeniable fact that matters are getting worse, far worse.   
 In light of the current and programmed INS/Border Patrol structure’s inability to contain the illegal alien invasion from Mexico - I urge strong consideration of a military option in southeastern Arizona, if not across the entirety of the US/Mexico international border. 
Any attempts to deny protection of the United States sovereign borders on the basis of any Posse Comitatus nonsense is trumped by Article IV, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution. – “The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion;….”.  Again, it must be stressed that the mission is one of national security and not law enforcement.
I also stress that the solution is not more taxpayer funding, but rather military presence.  

Ben L. Anderson Jr.
Colonel, USA (Infantry) (Retired)

Military on the border: 
The solution is doable –
    1. Put the military on the border to release the INS and Border Patrol to go apprehend the illegal aliens current running amok in the United States and return them to their countries of origin. 
    2. The fix of the INS and Border Patrol will be a major undertaking that will take many years - at least a decade.  A review of U.S. Military structure, career patterns, schooling and training is highly recommended.
    3. Back off the military from the border when the INS and Border Patrol have grown into their jobs.  This will take several years.
Basic suggested concepts include, but are not limited to -
The security of the U.S. border should be accomplished with a combination of Border Patrol, selected regular Military, National Guard & Reserve and a little innovation.
The Border Patrol should apprehend, process and repatriate illegal aliens in accordance with their mission.
The National Guard & Reserves assume those logistic and maintenance functions  (transportation – truck and bus driving, vehicle maintenance, communications and administrative tasks, house keeping tasks, etc.) to free up Border Patrol personnel to concentrate on their basic mission.
The regular military provides high tech reconnaissance, surveillance & scouting with manned aircraft and UAVs, monitoring of remote areas, air-lift, and selected units to secure remote areas of the border.  The border mission will provide an excellent training opportunity.   Most importantly, the border mission is a national security mission.  
Some more innovative concepts include - 
1. Ultra-light aircraft.   Ultra-light aircraft would be appropriate for daytime missions.  Ultra-lights are inexpensive (cost less than current Border Patrol SUVs), low maintenance, require only limited training (do not require an FAA pilots license), and fly low & slow allowing for excellent tracking of illegal activity.  They can be either single or double occupant and would allow for a dedicated pilot and tracker.  They are available for purchase in Arizona.
2. Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs).  UAVs that are in the current inventory provide the nighttime continuation of the daytime mission, yet with advanced high-tech all-weather and limited visibility sensors to acquire and track infiltrating illegal movement.  
Both ultra-lights and UAVs can complement each other with reverse cycle maintenance: Ultra-light maintenance at night and UAV maintenance during the day.   All UAVs would be stationed and operate from Ft. Huachuca.  Ultra-lights would be ground transported to the area of use.  State of the art light-weight high-tech communications and position locating systems can be easily installed in proposed ultra-light.

3. Native American Border Patrol Augmentation.   A dedicated Native American Border Patrol augmentation would be an excellent way of capitalizing the unique and honored traditional skills of our Native American citizens.  Their time honored skills at tracking and outdoor skills can be tapped to the nation’s advantage. They should be employed as trackers working in conjunction with US military, Border Patrol, ultra-lights and UAVs.  A military occupation specialty (MOS) type training program could provide structure to the concept.  Entrusting them with our national borders would be a compliment to their heritage along the line of the “Code Talkers” of WW II.  A name for consideration would be “Border Stalkers”.  It might be that this new opportunity would provide a needed and well-deserved niche for the Native American community beyond what is currently available.  Currently such a concept is in place with the “Shadow Wolves” of the U.S. Customs Service on the Tohono O'Odham Reservation in southern Arizona.
The Shadow Wolves unit is composed solely of Native Americans of Blackfoot, Cheyenne and Pima tribes who are known for their uncanny ability to track aliens and the drugs they may carry.
See: and,2933,70147,00.html

TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: borderpatrol; bordersecurity; citizenpatrols; cochisecounty; congress; coyotes; drugsmugglers; illegalaliens; militarization; mojados; suggestions

1 posted on 03/11/2003 11:46:44 AM PST by madfly
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2 posted on 03/11/2003 11:55:13 AM PST by RippleFire
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3 posted on 03/11/2003 11:58:56 AM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: firebrand; StarFan; nutmeg; Dutchy; rmlew; Cacique; RaceBannon; Coleus; hot august night; ...
4 posted on 03/11/2003 12:03:40 PM PST by Black Agnes
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5 posted on 03/11/2003 12:06:53 PM PST by Frohickey
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To: madfly
I was just about to post this - I'm glad I searched first.

I know Ben Anderson and he knows what he's talking about. He and I have our disagreements, but he is dead on accurate in his testimony here.

When Rep. Tancredo came down here last month, it was Ben Anderson who showed him around.

You really should ping the list with this one.

6 posted on 03/11/2003 12:23:18 PM PST by Spiff
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To: madfly
Great read Mad. Do you know how this was recieved???
7 posted on 03/11/2003 12:30:21 PM PST by EBUCK (FIRE!....rounds downrange!
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To: madfly
I'm so glad my main man GWB is right on top of this situation.'s that homeland security comin' along.

Once again, it's for this reason alone that this "War on Terrorism" is complete 100% Bullshit. I don't know how GWB can look at himself in the mirror in the morning and not want to puke. How can he make a case against Iraq and / weapons of mass destruction while this complete lack of border protection goes on at home. The two just don't add up. I used to run for the TV remote whenever that A-hole Clinton popped up on the tube, now I'm doing the same with GWB. I hate to be bullshitted. I expected more from GWB and I'm seriously disappointed.

We can't all live on a sprawling ranch with secret service protection, George!!!!!

This new guy is just as dopey as the old guy.
8 posted on 03/11/2003 12:52:35 PM PST by taxed2death
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To: Spiff; Free the USA; B4Ranch; FITZ; Yaelle; pgyanke; Tancredo Fan; Joe Hadenuf; ...
LOL, I didn't ping this? Well geeeze, As I see from another thread folks are having problems posting today. I had the ping list set up and was pasting in Ben's bio when I got I lost everything.

Anyone wanting ON or OFF my border ping list, please just hit "private reply" at the end of this message to instantly freepmail me.


9 posted on 03/11/2003 12:54:45 PM PST by madfly (
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To: madfly
. Ft. Huachuca is a closed military installation.

That's a real shame. When I did my AIT there in 94-95, this was not the case. For those who have never been there, Ft. Huachuca is perhaps the nicest Army facility in the world. There was quite a bit to do there for civilians from the area as well as soldiers. The two things I remember most were the horseback riding trails and the Protestant services I attended at the post chapel. Both were attended by approximately 75% civilians, 25% military.
10 posted on 03/11/2003 12:56:31 PM PST by jmc813 (Trampled by lambs and pecked by the doves)
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Ben sent this to me Sunday in an email attachment.
11 posted on 03/11/2003 12:56:44 PM PST by madfly (
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To: madfly
This guy is good. Well researched and articulate to boot.
12 posted on 03/11/2003 1:00:31 PM PST by CPT Clay
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To: All
Agitator Hour Archives
Freeper Agitator has this bio of Col. Anderson listed with a link to streaming audio of his interview with him last year, for those who are interested. (Scroll down to "Oct. 30th")

Agitator Hour Archives

Col. Ben Anderson (bio)

Col. Anderson believes that the out-of-control illegal immigration situation this country is currently experiencing constitutes a threat to our national security and that U.S. Military should be used on our borders to stop it.

In addition to making a convincing case on that issue, he addresses a wide range of geopolitical issues from the middle east to China. Col. Anderson brings a wealth of experience to a very interesting conversation.

To list just a few of his qualifications, Col. Anderson retired in 1993 after almost three-decades of Army service, which included assignments in Europe; Far East, including Vietnam; Central and South America; Caribbean; and North Africa.

Among the retired Infantry Colonel’s military decorations are 2 Silver Stars, 2 Purple Hearts, 2 Legions of Merit, The Defense Superior Service Medal and 3 Meritorious Service Medals. He also wears the Combat Infantry Badge, Aviator Wings, Ranger Tab, Pathfinder Designation, Senior Paratrooper Wings, Scuba Badge and both German and Paraguayan Paratrooper Wings.

Anderson graduated from the United States Naval Academy in 1966 (BS, Engineering).  He holds three masters degrees: (German Linguistics), Georgetown University, Wash. D.C.; MA (International Relations), Salve Regina College, Newport, RI; and MA (National Security & Strategic Studies), Naval War College.

He also taught on the faculty at the United States Military Academy, West Point (1974-76).

To comment or receive his email newsletter, contact him at

Streaming Links

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13 posted on 03/11/2003 1:06:34 PM PST by madfly (
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To: taxed2death
I totally agree with you -- I am thoroughly disgusted with Bush as well. He is Bill Clinton neutered. Whenever I hear his voice on FOX, I also reach for the remote. When I heard him say the other day with a straight face, "My job is to protect America", I felt like I was going to heave. All Bush cares about is handing this country over to Mexico, and the hell with all the law-abiding taxpayers here who suffer crime and injury at the hands of the illegals, as well as being soaked for all the social services the illegals get and grab. It's more than disgusting -- it's unbelievable. And all this from the man who claims to read his Bible every night...
14 posted on 03/11/2003 1:10:26 PM PST by hot august night
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To: madfly
Thanks for posting. Persuasive, convincing and articulate -- and provided by an honest man with a life-long military background and a history of "can do" experience. Too bad it will be ignored by all our "elected leaders." God bless Tom Tancredo.
15 posted on 03/11/2003 1:18:26 PM PST by hot august night
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To: madfly
Bump! Good read.
16 posted on 03/11/2003 1:22:58 PM PST by monkeywrench
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17 posted on 03/11/2003 1:32:04 PM PST by litehaus
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To: madfly
This was great testimony by Col. Anderson.

Not only did he identify the problem but he gave concrete solutions which could go a long way toward fixing this mess.

He is right. This problem is way beyond being solved by more money thown at an overwhemed Border Partrol and incompetent bureaucracy. The military should be part of the solution. As he says, we have guarded everybody elses' borders for a half century. It is time to start guarding our own.

I especially liked his idea of using ultra-lites and Indian trackers. Some of this could be volunteer work, and using the Indians could give them needed employment with a real purpose. I'm sure volunteers could be used for other things too.

I hope somebody is listening, but I won't hold my breath. Here in North Carolina the ranks of the illegals swell day by day. It is noticeable. We are a long way from any border.

18 posted on 03/11/2003 1:35:09 PM PST by Gritty
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To: taxed2death
We can't all live on a sprawling ranch with secret service protection, George!!!!!

--picks up mega-phone:


19 posted on 03/11/2003 2:34:07 PM PST by aeronca
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20 posted on 03/11/2003 2:48:45 PM PST by madfly (
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To: madfly
Note to the Colonel: the current Commander-in-Chief, like the former CiC and the one before him, has no intention whatsoever of listening to an old patriot like you. He has his orders and those orders include the surrender of our national sovereignty, our national history and our national culture; he has support from Hollywood, mainstream media, academia, our Congress and our courts of law. The defense of the Constitution and of our nation are of no matter to him nor to most who work in our nation's capitol. Thanks for your service to your country.
21 posted on 03/11/2003 3:24:38 PM PST by waxhaw
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Yes, Ft. Huachuca has some beautiful spots. One of them is the Veterans cemetery, believe it or not. Lush, with the most beautiful old trees you could possibly imagine. Lots of History in that cemetery.

My Mother is buried there...


22 posted on 03/11/2003 3:29:21 PM PST by spectre (spectre's wife)
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23 posted on 03/11/2003 4:04:45 PM PST by Prerunner (intolerance will not be tolerated)
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To: hot august night
My reaction to Bush is the same as yours, I just can't stand him anymore. He won't even mention the problem of illegal immigration, but he keeps pushing for amnesty (though it's called by another name). He gives a big thumbs-up to anything having to do with Mexico. I wonder if he realizes how many of us he has lost because of this.
24 posted on 03/11/2003 9:28:09 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: janetgreen; hot august night

Tom Tancredo For President!

He's not Bill Clinton!

He's not a castrated Bill Clinton Clone, either!

He's a man that will defend this Nation's sovereignty!

25 posted on 03/12/2003 4:55:07 AM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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26 posted on 03/12/2003 6:17:59 AM PST by hot august night
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To: janetgreen
Janet, I enjoy reading all your posts, share your views, and am as enraged as you. Take care of yourself out there in Mexifornia. I have family out there, too, who have lived there for generations and cannot even recognize it anymore, thanks to illegal aliens, out-of-control legal immigration, and our enabling corrupt leaders. Looks like they are going to pull up stakes and head for Nevada or Utah. More white flight and more taxpayers heading for exodus. It is a shame.

Here in the Northeast, this invasion is have a greater impact every day. My supermarket in NJ now dedicates a full dairy case to imported Mexican products (and we are not talking about Tex-Mex or American-made.) It is easy to see who they are catering to, even if a lot of these interlopers are paying with food stamps. The commuter trains to and from New York are also becoming increasingly annoying after rush hour, due to the illegal Mexicans. They are obnoxious, refuse to be quiet, put their feet up and hog all the seats, and show total disrespect to us gringos (and since 9/11 all mass transit in NY has become a nightmare to begin with.) There is just no where to run. May your guardian angel keep you safe...and if you don't have a gun, go through the red tape to get one. I did.

27 posted on 03/12/2003 6:32:16 AM PST by hot august night
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To: madfly; janetgreen; hot august night; taxed2death; Sabertooth
Whew, wait'll the FReepers with their 'force multiplier' equations get ahold of Col. Ben Anderson.

Will he ever be sorry he mentioned militarizing the borders until the Border Patrol can come up to speed.

Imagine suggesting the Army Corps of Engineers actually build fences along the borders? Like he has a degree in engineering or something.

How could a Col. with only 30 years of military service and that's only been awarded the Silver Star twice along with a few lbs of other decorations believe he knows more than they do about securring our borders?


28 posted on 03/12/2003 7:00:28 AM PST by 4Freedom (America is no longer the 'Land of Opportunity', it's the 'Land of Illegal Alien Opportunists'!!!)
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To: madfly
Methinks the Colonel hath it right!

And the sooner we militarize our borders, the better!
29 posted on 03/12/2003 7:09:17 AM PST by Taxman
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To: madfly
If our elite believes in the nonsense of the borderless world there will be a day when an outside force will take power over what was once the USA. Both major political parties are at the mercy of the racial/ethnic interest group extortionists and there will be the day when DC is just the dibursement office for loot headed offshore.
30 posted on 03/12/2003 7:53:38 AM PST by junta
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To: 4Freedom
very good!
31 posted on 03/12/2003 10:40:27 AM PST by madfly (
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To: hot august night
Thanks for your kind words. Not everyone on FR likes what I post about illegal immigration, but it's always the truth. We're lifetime Californians, my husband and two of our three sons have jobs in L.A. harbor, so we can't really make a mass move anywhere, this is our home.

We realize that it won't be too long before the "takers" outnumber the "givers" here, and it's already happening. The changes here in California in the past ten years alone are so sad. The laws against illegal immigration are not enforced. Schools are overflowing, and now we must build new ones to accommodate the illegals. Medical facilities are becoming bankrupt because of being forced to give free care to the ininsured illegals, and now the homeowners will have to "bail them out" by increased taxes. They work for cash, and with false documents they receive welfare and food stamps. They don't speak English, and it's rare to see a young Mexican woman who isn't pregnant and with three children in tow. They drive (badly) without insurance. Gangs of Mexican men gather on street corners everywhere, throwing their trash wherever they stand. They're bold, and have a sense of entitlement because they think we're stupid.

Writing to the officials here doesn't do any good. I got a letter back from one of them, thanking me for my letter and stating that he regretted that he disagreed with me. My letter outlined the fact that millions of illegal aliens were receiving welfare benefits (and everything else) because they had false documents.

Soon our freeways will be filled with truck drivers from Mexico (thanks to NAFTA). Will they be able to read the signs? Will they have American insurance? Will they be able to navigate California freeways without posing danger to us? Probably not. Will the trucks contain drugs and more illegal aliens? Probably.

Tom Tancredo is practically standing alone in Washington trying to stop this invasion of millions while George Bush puts his stamp of approval on anything that will open the borders even further.

About the only thing any of us can do about it is to keep writing to those who "represent" us and complain, complain, complain. A good source is www.numbers.usa, who provides free fax services with pre-written faxes to many of those in Washington. The faxes include the legislation coming up for votes. This is a chance to let those who will be voting know how we feel.

32 posted on 03/12/2003 10:44:32 AM PST by janetgreen
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To: madfly
If a U.S Border Patrol Agent and a U.S. Park Service Ranger can be murdered with such a muted uproar – what message has been sent to the illegal alien smugglers and drug traffickers and to the Mexican government? And what measure of safety does any lone rancher or property owner feel?- Ben L. Anderson Jr., Col US Army Retired

Thanks for the ping madfly. Great article, Excellent thread commentary one-all. I thought Ben Anderson really hit the bulls eye here.

There is a conspiracy of silence on the part of our elected officials as millions of Mexican Nationals systematically undermine and destroy America's sovereignty, commit crimes against our people, take the jobs of struggling Americans, spit on our laws and bleed the taxpayers of this nation white. As far as I'm concerned, our leaders, by their silence and steadfast refusal to do anything but encourage MORE illegal immigration, are thoroughly complicit in High Treason.

It is just mind boggling that out of some 500+ elected representatives in Congress, Tom Tancredo is the ONLY ONE that has the GUTS to regularly speak out about the ongoing immigration crisis that is destroying this nation. The ONLY ONE!

For the sake of our great country and it’s future as ONE NATION, Tom Tancredo has to run for president and WIN. The time for fundamental change on this front is quickly running out. There is no other alternative the way I see it. Bush has proven over and over again that he will only make this crisis worse.

33 posted on 03/12/2003 2:16:56 PM PST by WRhine
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To: janetgreen
BTTT. Well Said Janet. When are the Sheeple going to wake up and force our elected officals to address this crisis? When the problem is in our own backyard? By that time it will be too late.
34 posted on 03/12/2003 2:20:48 PM PST by WRhine
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To: hot august night
I am thoroughly disgusted with Bush as well. He is Bill Clinton neutered.

heh heh heh. That describes Bush well.

Whenever I hear his voice on FOX, I also reach for the remote. When I heard him say the other day with a straight face, "My job is to protect America", I felt like I was going to heave.

I had a similar reaction to that comment also. If Bush had an iota of concern for America's security he would have ordered the military on the border and halted all immigration from terrorist harboring nations immediately after 9/11. On domestic issues it's like Clinton never left.

35 posted on 03/12/2003 2:32:28 PM PST by WRhine
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To: taxed2death
Taxed: Re your post #8, I cannot inprove on one word. Very well said.
36 posted on 03/13/2003 4:01:09 PM PST by Jennikins
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To: hot august night
Hot August Night, you along with Taxed2death echo my sentiments exactly. When I hear the media, and Bush, it's gotten so that I do not believe one word they say. I think they tell us only what they want us to hear, and in many cases it is outright lies. The bad stuff is hushed up.
37 posted on 03/13/2003 4:09:30 PM PST by Jennikins
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To: janetgreen
Re your post #32, Janet. Very well said.
38 posted on 03/13/2003 4:15:38 PM PST by Jennikins
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To: madfly
Just last week Ft. Huachuca reports that nearly 90 illegal aliens were apprehended on the military reservation. Some were apprehended walking in the housing areas of the senior officers. Ft. Huachuca is the U.S. Army’s Intelligence Center. Over 180 have been apprehended on the post from Oct thru December.

Very disturbing, considering the nature of work that occurs there.

39 posted on 03/13/2003 4:26:14 PM PST by TADSLOS (Sua Sponte)
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