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Should Dad Get More Leave? (More Government Mandated Benefits Alert!)
Clymer News Network/Finance Division ^ | March 12, 2003 | Jeanne Sahadi

Posted on 03/12/2003 11:41:36 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:02:13 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Think about all the new dads you've known. How much time did they take off from work when their kids arrived?

Paternity leave is more accepted than it once was, but it's by no means a given.

Some probably took a couple of days. Others may have taken off a week, even two. But how many new fathers take off even half the time from work as the mothers of their children do?


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: benefits; lazypeople; pork
What a joke. How long until a bunch of panty waists DEMAND this as a government mandated benefit??
1 posted on 03/12/2003 11:41:36 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Be grateful you are allowed to take the unpaid leave without getting fired... SHEESH! And people wonder why corporate profits are tumbling and hence the layoffs....
3 posted on 03/12/2003 11:51:11 AM PST by Lunatic Fringe (When news breaks, we fix it!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
The reason there is so much disconnect on this issue is simple... government. They have bred an entitlement mentality into Americans and the "have nots" want the "free time" they assume the "haves" have. Government is sympathetic to their plight because they produce nothing and nothing is missed when they are not at their post... so what's the problem?

If anyone would talk to the small business owner who doesn't get paid if he doesn't work, they would understand what it means to be an American. Take some time, sure... but recognize it is YOUR TIME and YOUR PRODUCTIVITY and YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
4 posted on 03/12/2003 11:58:05 AM PST by pgyanke (Big Bang Theory = First there was nothing...then it exploded.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Where I used to work, we were given 80 hours of parental leave for a new baby which could be taken in one hour increments. A new father figured that meant 20 extra afternoons of golfing that summer.
5 posted on 03/12/2003 12:03:25 PM PST by KarlInOhio (France: The whore for Babylon)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Paid paternity leave will just spiral out of control. For example, single men will ask why fathers should get more vacation days than they do. They'll demand equal treatment.

Social engineering always begets more social engineering.
6 posted on 03/12/2003 12:18:02 PM PST by CrimeOf73
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To: Recovering_Democrat
When I was born, my mom had her mom and her sister to help her out the first few weeks. They all lived in the same town. If I had a baby right now, I would not have anyone except my husband and brother. Our families live in different parts of the country. People are more spread out now. It's not necessarily another hand out.
7 posted on 03/12/2003 12:23:55 PM PST by meowmeow
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To: meowmeow
Fascinating. When parents have children, whose children are they: the parents' or the government's? Therefore, whose responsibility are they: the parents' or the government's?
8 posted on 03/12/2003 12:29:24 PM PST by CrimeOf73
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To: Recovering_Democrat
When pregnant with my daughter, who was born in the fall, my husband saved up all of his vaction days that year, didn't take a single one, knowing that I would need him home for a few days after the birth. We didn't see this as a hardship, just a fact of life. His saving the vacation days, showed prudence and responsibility on his part. Why should the government authorize paid leave for fathers? Fathers have NINE months to anticipate the birth, and plan accordingly.
9 posted on 03/12/2003 12:39:48 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
That is exactly what I am doing. It goes back to the discussion yesterday. Why do so many in the country, "consevatives" included, have such an entitlement mentality??? On the day I was born my Dad was sitting on the Ho Chi Min trail taking pictures...I wonder if he thought about Paternity Leave or any such nonsense?? For some reason I doubt it.
10 posted on 03/12/2003 12:45:24 PM PST by Ga Rob ("Consensus is the ABSENCE of Leadership" The Iron Lady)
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To: CrimeOf73
Everyone screams when the government does things that undermine the family. Everyone screams when the government tries to help the family.
11 posted on 03/12/2003 12:52:09 PM PST by meowmeow (Maybe everyone just likes screaming.)
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To: Ga Rob
Many of the benefits you enjoy today are the result of government actions long before we were born. I'm not an advocate of bigger government. But I don't think everything it does is pure evil.
12 posted on 03/12/2003 12:55:47 PM PST by meowmeow (Meow.)
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To: meowmeow
I scream when the government does stuff. Whether undermining the family or helping the family, I wish the gov't would just back off.
13 posted on 03/12/2003 1:01:46 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: meowmeow
When you find one "benefit" I get from goverment let me know. Please don't list roads, sewers,etc,etc.

I want to know what benefit=entitlement I get from "our" goverment??? Please let me know. I know I pay for alot of "benefits"...just not aware that I get anything out of them. Feel free to correct me though...I'm waiting.
14 posted on 03/12/2003 1:05:43 PM PST by Ga Rob ("Consensus is the ABSENCE of Leadership" The Iron Lady)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
What about pre-dad leave for baby making?
15 posted on 03/12/2003 1:07:17 PM PST by Consort
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To: Consort
Ha!!
16 posted on 03/12/2003 1:08:42 PM PST by Ga Rob ("Consensus is the ABSENCE of Leadership" The Iron Lady)
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To: Ga Rob
When my son was born, my husband was out at sea on a submarine. Then, when my son was one month old, my husband left his new son and wife, to go to Pearl Harbor, where his boat was being moved. My husband was there for five months. We didn't have any choice in the matter, either! I couldn't go with him, because the Navy said he was too close to being relieved of duty, and would have to extend a year, to offset the cost of moving his wife and baby to Pearl Harbor.

We survived. And, my husband got out of the Navy. I guess my main point is, having endured this hardship, as new parents, we did not object to the saving of vacation days when it came to the birth of our second child.
17 posted on 03/12/2003 1:09:08 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Should we ever decide to spawn, it's entirely possible that Xena's Guy will choose to be the stay-at-home dad. He can work from anywhere. I, on the other hand, apparently need an office environment. (I found that out during three weeks of unemployment, during which I hunted for jobs for five hours a day, needlepointed up a storm, and watched Office Space 12 times.)
18 posted on 03/12/2003 1:10:19 PM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: CrimeOf73
For example, single men will ask why fathers should get more vacation days than they do.

Well, it DOES suck that as the childless one, I'm expected to stay late and pick up slack because all the moms have to pick up their kids. Childless workers are dumped on more often than not.
19 posted on 03/12/2003 1:12:27 PM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Consort
If we allow Pre-dad leave for baby making, we'll have to allow Re-dad leave for sibling making.
20 posted on 03/12/2003 1:13:22 PM PST by Consort
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To: Xenalyte
Yes I agree with you. You are not compensated for the costs you incur in terms of personal time lost. Therefore, by government fiat, the burdern of raising a family is partially offloaded on single people who have nothing to do with the family in question.

And I'll bet parents don't even invite you to the birthday parties of the kids you're indirectly helping to raise. ;-)
21 posted on 03/12/2003 1:19:35 PM PST by CrimeOf73
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To: CrimeOf73
No, they do NOT, and now I'm indignant! :)
22 posted on 03/12/2003 1:23:44 PM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Ga Rob
One other point...

A good benefit for our extended family was that, in saving all of the vacation days, and my husband only used four when our daughter was born, we could then spend the baby's first Christmas with the grandparents, who live out of state.

Yes, it took planning, but... next thing you know, mothers and fathers will be asking for extra days off, so that they can be home for every school-holiday throughout the year!
23 posted on 03/12/2003 1:45:44 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
I know...I know. The whole point here is personal responsibility...which ever since the depression era we seem to have lost any notion of!!! There are a few of us who still have a "pioneer" type mentality, but I fear we are few and far between.
24 posted on 03/12/2003 1:55:05 PM PST by Ga Rob ("Consensus is the ABSENCE of Leadership" The Iron Lady)
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To: Ga Rob
I was never a conservative, until I became a mother. Being a parent makes me want to protect my children from everything, and that means even silly legislation that sounds good today, but will make their lives much more difficult in the future.

Keep your spirits up... your child is counting on you to be a defender of their freedoms, too. You are on the right path! I commend you.


Best wishes.
25 posted on 03/12/2003 2:00:31 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: Xenalyte
You go girl! Mr. Frodolives did the Dad thing for eight years. Not only is he the best cook and an excellent houskeeper, he and our son now have a bond that is unshakable. He told me it was the greatest gift I could ever give him.
26 posted on 03/12/2003 2:58:43 PM PST by frodolives (Close cover before striking)
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To: frodolives
I knew that if I could find support for my idea anywhere, it'd be on FR - many thanks!
27 posted on 03/12/2003 2:59:29 PM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: Xenalyte
I hear ya...my fiance and I decided some time ago that when we have children (MANY years in the future), he'll be a stay at home dad. He loves kids, and I have twice the earning potential as he does.

Not exactly traditional, but we both feel strongly that parents, not a daycare, should raise children. Although I'll take my maternity leave, since he'll be at home, paternity leave is not an issue.

I do remember that when my brother was born, my dad saved up vacation days so he could help out mom for a week after they came home.
28 posted on 03/12/2003 5:21:50 PM PST by Rubber_Duckie_27
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To: Ga Rob
I want to know what benefit=entitlement I get from "our" goverment???

You'll have to wait a little longer - I have to get ready for another 8 hour work day. To amuse yourself in the meantime, just do a search on the history of US labor law. There's been a few changes over the years that I would say qualify as "benefits."

29 posted on 03/12/2003 6:06:12 PM PST by meowmeow (Meow.)
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To: meowmeow
I'll be waiting...I do not doubt that there have been many laws enacted over the last 100 years that have benefited people....they were necessary. But, the laws like family leave, etc, etc are just more of the nanny state mentallity(sp)....enough of that!! In my opinion.
30 posted on 03/12/2003 7:10:59 PM PST by Ga Rob ("Consensus is the ABSENCE of Leadership" The Iron Lady)
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To: Ga Rob
Personally I’m fond of the Equal Pay Act of 1963, being a woman and all. The Fair Labor Standards act means we can still get paid while we take a p!ss. I hope you never need unemployment benefits or work for a company that screws up your health insurance. But I’m sure you would just suck it up. No nanny state for you!
31 posted on 03/13/2003 12:30:45 PM PST by meowmeow (I'm done now.)
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To: meowmeow
There have been many times where I could have drawn unemployment. Maybe you did not read my posts above. I have had 3 jobs at times. My girlfriend is out of work and because she is pregnent will not be finding more work....I have a second job, instead of her taking a hand out from the goverment. I also have my own buisness on the side that I just started. You're damn right I'll just "suck it up" it's the way I was raised!!!! I thank God everyday for the upbringing I had!!!!!!

Like I said I'm sure there have been many labor laws that were passed in the last 100 years the were necessary...I'm just glad I have to fortitude and foresight to not need them.
32 posted on 03/13/2003 1:47:17 PM PST by Ga Rob ("Consensus is the ABSENCE of Leadership" The Iron Lady)
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