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They're coming out of the woodwork: Russert, Buchanan and Moran
Jewish World Review ^ | March 13, 2003 | Tony Blankley

Posted on 03/13/2003 5:01:11 AM PST by SJackson

Every few days I become re-amazed, saddened and fearful at the solid and valuable institutions that are being damaged and perhaps destroyed by the march to war that started on September 11, 2001. As a supporter of the president, and a grim but determined endorser of war against Saddam Hussein's Iraq, I recognize that mine is one of the many hands holding up the chisel against those institutions. But I wonder whether we will be able to build new structures half as serviceable and enduring as those we may be in the process of destroying.

Of course, I have in mind the United Nations, NATO and our amicable relations with much of Europe, particularly France and Germany. Flawed as those organizations and traditions may be, if they have served their time and must be discarded, we will have to replace them with something, or risk returning to a lonely, every-country-for-itself law of the jungle. The United Nations may be a farce, but it nonetheless embodies the hope of the ages of a brotherhood of nations sharing a common, peaceful vision.

Once, European Christendom offered that vision. Then the League of Nations, and after its failure the U.N. assumed the role. If the U.N has come to the end of its utility, so be it. But there must be another iteration of the grand old dream.

People rightly cling to a hope of something better than dog eat dog. And if the so-called realists can see only the U.N.'s material flaws and not the dreams that built the edifice, they are no realists at all, but mere fools. The stubborn resistance of most Europeans, and less but still numerous Americans, to support war without a U.N. endorsement is testament to the strength of that vision -- even when its focus is on the derelict tenement of the United Nations.

And there is one other tradition being overturned: the inadmissibility in polite company of questioning the patriotism of Jews. This last tradition, born as the world saw the unspeakable business of the gas chambers and ovens of Auschwitz and Dachau, has for a half a century kept at bay the ancient, always-lurking wolf of anti-Semitism. The taboo, the absolute ban, against questioning Jewish loyalty doubtlessly sheltered a few individuals who fit the definition. After all, most people hold some special feelings for their mother country.

(My family, which emigrated from England, when applying for American citizenship in the 1950s hesitated before affirming that we were prepared to bear arms against England if America and England were at war with each other.)

And for a few of each ethnicity those special feelings may cross over to dual loyalty. I'm sure it is true for a few Anglo-Americans, Irish-Americans, Polish-Americans, Jewish-Americans and fill-in-the-blank Americans.

However, because of the terrible history and ubiquity of anti-Semitism, the Western world spontaneously established the taboo against talking about such things after the Nazi-inflicted holocaust shocked humanity to its core. But now, as the specter of a war of civilizations hovers over the impending war against Iraq (even as we pray ... and have reason to expect -- that the Iraqi war will not precipitate such a cataclysm), the taboo is being violated: first, on the edges of polite society; then whispered in more respectable domains; and finally, on Feb. 23, on "Meet the Press," stated out loud by its host and NBC Vice President and Washington Bureau Chief Tim Russert. He asked Richard Perle, a leading advocate of the president's policy: "Can you assure American viewers ... that we're in this situation against Saddam Hussein and his removal for American security interests? And what would be the link in terms of Israel?"

If such a respectable citadel of the establishment as Russert's "Meet the Press" can air such a question, we could expect worse, and soon. And we got it this week.

First congressman Jim Moran suggested a successful Jewish plot to manipulate public opinion for the war, and then, my old friend Pat Buchanan published a withering, 5,000-word analysis of the evolution of thought of Richard Perle and other supporters of the president's Iraq policy, the peroration of which was the tasteless question and answer: "Who would benefit from a war of civilizations between the West and Islam? Answer: one nation, one leader, one party. Israel, Sharon, Likud."

As a student of history Pat couldn't help but be applying to Israel the old Nazi slogan: Ein Volke, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer (one people, one government, one leader.) Nothing good can come of this. Does mankind need yet another lesson of where this path leads? The idea that President Bush, Colin Powell, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld are risking so many American lives if they didn't honestly believe it was for American security interests (or because they have all been mentally manipulated by a few Jewish staffers) is not only beneath contempt, but is ludicrous on its face.

I wish my old friend Pat, even now, would refocus his powerful mental energies at the argument and not at the religion or patriotism of some of the arguers. While I disagree with his argument about the consequences of the war, events may yet prove him right. But no event can make right the manner by which he makes his argument. Tim Russert should never have asked that question.

I will, reluctantly, help hold up the chisel against a dysfunctional United Nations. But when it comes to questioning the motives of Jewish-Americans (or other Americans), count me out.

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1 posted on 03/13/2003 5:01:11 AM PST by SJackson
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
2 posted on 03/13/2003 5:01:33 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
I don't think Russert's question was out of bounds - Israel is an important player in this drama and it is as important to be informed about Israel's role as it is to be about, say, Turkey's.

Moran was deliberately playing to conspiracy theorists while Russert was speaking from the vantage of cynical Realpolitik.

Rather than searching for anti-Semitism under every rock, people should focus on clearly anti-Semitic incidents like Moran's little Nuremberg speech and the "Divest From Israel" campaign on campus.

3 posted on 03/13/2003 5:07:35 AM PST by wideawake (You'd better look out for me - I'm a member of the F.V.K.)
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To: SJackson
It seems many have forgotten the debt owed to Jewish society by nearly permitting their near extinction. Many Europeans have also forgotten we have over 200,000 dead buried in their countries, all while trying to save them from a menace that was sweeping the world. Memories are short, it seems, even within one's lifetime.
4 posted on 03/13/2003 5:07:54 AM PST by Peach
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To: Peach
the debt owed to Jewish society by nearly permitting their near extinction

My father and a number of uncles spent four years of their lives during WW II fighting the Germans and Japanese. One lost his life. My family's "debt" is paid in full. And my family didn't own slaves so we won't be paying any reparations to blacks either.

5 posted on 03/13/2003 5:17:57 AM PST by clockwork
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To: SJackson
A big, "Amen Corner," bump.

[And/or: "go pat go," far -- and soon!]

6 posted on 03/13/2003 5:22:53 AM PST by Brian Allen (This above all -- to thine own self be true)
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To: Brian Allen
Hear hear!
7 posted on 03/13/2003 5:29:16 AM PST by MEG33
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To: SJackson
gee, are the Neo-Cons a bit too defensive here...I always question the role of Israel behind the scenes...people have to right to ask what drives the idealogies of Perle, Wolfowitz and a bunch of neocons..there is nothing wrong for Russart to grill Perle why he thinks the Oslo accord sucks...I want Americans fight for american issues, not for some hidden interests for some grps in a land far away...afterall, Israel is asking for a 10-15 billion dollar aid pkg - isn't that a bit too much to ask? As long as the Sharonites wont settle a peace plan with the Palestinains, there will be no peace in that region, and I fear America blood will shed for this nonsense there...period.
8 posted on 03/13/2003 5:30:14 AM PST by FRgal4u
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To: SJackson
It's most trendy, most fashionable, among the intelligentsia to have faint whiffs of anti-semitism perfuming the air.
9 posted on 03/13/2003 5:32:20 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Peach; SJackson
<< It seems many have forgotten the debt owed to Jewish society by nearly permitting their near extinction. >>

That is rubbish.

There is no American debt on that score.

Scores of millions of Americans and Australians and New Zealanders and Tanganikans, British, Canadians, Kenyans, South Africans, Indians, Malayans, Papua New Guineans, Rhodesians and other of Our Allies perished and/or otherwise suffered in defeating Hitler's death-and-destruction worshipping, islamofascist-like-false-fuerher-following Germans -- and their axis henchmen -- including several members of my family and I would venture of thousands of other FR-members' families!
10 posted on 03/13/2003 5:32:51 AM PST by Brian Allen (This above all -- to thine own self be true)
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To: SJackson
If the U.N has come to the end of its utility, so be it. But there must be another iteration of the grand old dream.

How about the Federation of Planets? 8-)

11 posted on 03/13/2003 5:33:18 AM PST by 7thson
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To: Peach
75% of the Tutsi were killed by the Hutu in the late 90's. Does America owe a debt to the Tutsi for "nearly permitting their near extinction"?

Where does it stop?

12 posted on 03/13/2003 5:33:52 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: wideawake
The full excerpt. Perle clearly was more upset with the accusation that the war was for oil.

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MR. RUSSERT: Do you believe the president of the United States would risk the lives of American men and women for oil?

REP. KUCINICH: I think that to answer that question would be to put a focus on a person, and I think the policy is what we have to talk about, that this policy to go against Iraq was promulgated even before 9/11, and the day after 9/11, the secretary of Defense in a meeting of the National Security Council said we could use this moment to go after Iraq, even though there was no connection. I think that when a president commits the young men and women of this country to battle, that it should only be when there is an imminent threat to this country, and that—I believe most sincerely that one of the motivating factors involved in this effort to strike against Iraq is the desire on the part of some to be able to control the oil interests in Iraq. I believe that.

MR. RUSSERT: Mr. Perle, there’s been discussion about the role of Israel and the formulation of American foreign policy regarding Iraq. Let me show you an article from The Washington Times, written by Arnold DeBorograf: “The strategic objective is the antithesis of Middle Eastern stability. The destabilization of ‘despotic regimes’ comes next. In the Arab bowling alley, one ball aimed at Saddam is designed to achieve a 10-strike that would discombobulate authoritarian and/or despotic regimes in Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf Emirates and sheikhdoms. The ultimate phase would see Israel surrounded by democratic regimes that would provide 5 million Israelis—soon to be surrounded by 300 million Arabs—with peace and security for at least a generation. ...The roots of the overall strategy can be traced to a paper published in 1996 by the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies, an Israeli think tank. the document was titled ‘A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Security the Realm.’ ...Israel, according to the 1996 paper, would ‘shape its strategic environment,’ beginning with the removal of Saddam Hussein... ...Prominent American opinion-makers who are now senior members of the Bush administration participated in the discussions and the drafting that led to this 1996 blueprint.”

Can you assure American viewers across our country that we’re in this situation against Saddam Hussein and his removal for American security interests? And what would be the link in terms of Israel?

MR. PERLE: Well, first of all, the answer is absolutely yes. Those of us who believe that we should take this action if Saddam doesn’t disarm—and I doubt that he’s going to—believe it’s in the best interests of the United States. I don’t see what would be wrong with surrounding Israel with democracies; indeed, if the whole world were democratic, we’d live in a much safer international security system because democracies do not wage aggressive wars.

But please allow me to say: I find the accusation that this administration has embarked upon this policy for oil to be an outrageous, scurrilous charge for which, when you asked for the evidence, you will note there was none. There was simply the suggestion that, because there is oil in the ground and some administration officials have had connections with the oil industry in the past, therefore, it is the policy of the United States to take control of Iraqi oil. It is a lie, Congressman. It is an out and out lie. And I’m sorry to see you give credence to it.

13 posted on 03/13/2003 5:35:06 AM PST by SJackson
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To: Brian Allen
You misunderstand my remarks - "many owe a debt" did not say many Americans! I mentioned how many Americans died on European soil to settle a matter that wasn't handled in a timely manner by Europeans who indeed waited until it was nearly too late.
14 posted on 03/13/2003 5:35:39 AM PST by Peach
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To: clockwork
You have misunderstood my remarks. I don't say any Americans owed a debt and obvously did not read where I stated that hundreds of thousands of our soldiers are buried in Europe by handling a problem the Europeans couldn't handle themselves. Please go back and re-read what I posted and if it wasn't clear, it should be now.
15 posted on 03/13/2003 5:38:28 AM PST by Peach
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To: Brian Allen
I do support Israel. We do not go to war because of Israel.
16 posted on 03/13/2003 5:38:43 AM PST by MEG33
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To: FRgal4u
The role of Israel is to be the plug that keeps the genie of Arab radicalism in the Middle East bottle.
17 posted on 03/13/2003 5:39:13 AM PST by thoughtomator (SHAVE THE RUSHDIE)
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To: robertpaulsen
Nowhere does it say in my remarks that Americans owe a debt. Sheesh - I've never had a post so misunderstood; perhaps I shouldn't post a word before that second cup of tea. I was trying to imply that Europeans owe a debt - to us, to their Jewish citizenry - for not handling a matter that could have and should have been handled in the 30's. The Neville Chamberlains of their time permitted the near extinction of the entire Jewish population in Europe and we (Americans) saved both Europe and the Jewish people from extinction. The debt owed is to US.
18 posted on 03/13/2003 5:41:24 AM PST by Peach
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To: FRgal4u
Interesting that you'd use the same canard as the ultra lefties like Jim Moran.
19 posted on 03/13/2003 5:41:48 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: Brian Allen
There is no American debt on that score.

The only debt, if there is one is for those who knew what was going on and delayed freeing those camps. I don't believe America was delaying for any reason other than logistical. This business of blaming someone for the rise of Islam is the real concern. Islam is on the rise because it does from time to time. They hate us because we stand for something different than them. They are not tollerant, period. It has nothing to do with them hating Israel, which they do, because Israel is only drawing their fire because it is closer. We are next. Stop questioning the loyalty of our friends, watch the UN vote to see who our friends are, and get on with it. It will be a different world, but fanatical Islam will quiet down once they are crushed.

20 posted on 03/13/2003 5:42:05 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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To: FRgal4u
State your prior usernames. You're fooling no one.
21 posted on 03/13/2003 5:43:51 AM PST by rdb3 (rdb3, Tha SYNDICATE, and now bringing the FIRE to Project 21. Uh, oh...)
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To: SJackson
I do not know why, with the evidence from his own mouth continuing to convict him, that some FReepers still doubt that Pat Buchanan is a blatant anti-semite.
22 posted on 03/13/2003 5:44:35 AM PST by sinkspur
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To: wideawake
It was out of bounds. It asks if we're in this for our own security interests or because of an Israeli agenda.

It clearly plants the idea that Jews behind the scenes drive U.S. foreign policy. It is reprehensible.
23 posted on 03/13/2003 5:44:59 AM PST by xzins (Babylon, you have been weighed in the balance and been found wanting!)
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To: Peach
I shouldn't post a word before that second cup of tea.

LOL...I know the feeling.
24 posted on 03/13/2003 5:45:09 AM PST by mr.pink
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To: sinkspur
I do not know why, with the evidence from his own mouth continuing to convict him, that some FReepers still doubt that Pat Buchanan is a blatant anti-semite.

I'd guess support for his views on immigration and isolation makes it easy for some to avert their eyes from the rest of the package.

25 posted on 03/13/2003 5:48:39 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
Wonder how much the Israelis taking out Saddam's nuclear factory in the 80s was worth

They did us ONE big favor even if it was in their own interest
26 posted on 03/13/2003 5:52:36 AM PST by uncbob ( building tomorrow)
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To: SJackson
There is little doubt that Russert is implying that the Iraq war is a Jewish conspiracy. After all, he quoted a think tank paper from 1996, where there are tens of thousands of think tank papers every year.
27 posted on 03/13/2003 5:54:54 AM PST by LarryM
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To: SJackson
Israel is our only real friend in the Middle East. We darn well better support them.
28 posted on 03/13/2003 5:56:05 AM PST by randita
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To: rdb3
FRgal4u signed up 2003-02-18.

How long before the moderators pull this plug on this bigot?
29 posted on 03/13/2003 6:16:35 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: SJackson
You posted, "I'd guess support for his views on immigration and isolation makes it easy for some to avert their eyes from the rest of the package.

It appears that many of Pat's anti immigration for anyone hawks are willing actors for his words. Whenever, GW tries to expand his base and to appeal to others, we hear the words, "He is abandoning his core!" I think many of us have cracked the code about what "core" really means.

30 posted on 03/13/2003 6:21:20 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: SJackson
David Frum's rebuttal and charges re Buchanan

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/862987/posts

An Oped by David Frum:

“We charge that a cabal of writers who misuse the title of ‘conservatives’ are rallying to defend an Iraqi dictator who has waged war on American allies, attempted to assassinate an American president, fired on American aircraft, and who is now arming to threaten Americans with mass murder.


“We charge them with making common cause with left-wing radicals and radical Islamists, former communists and other people who hate the United States – all in order to prematurely halt the war on terror and preserve the Iraqi dictator’s rule.


“We charge them with forgetting George Washington’s warning in his Farewell Address against ‘habitual hatred’ for any nation – and instead allowing their unreasoning loathing of the Jewish state to lead them into what Washington condemned as a ‘passionate attachment’ to Baathist Iraq.


“We charge them with disregarding their wartime duty to lay aside their prejudices and resentments for the sake of the common good. We charge them with attempting to undermine a conservative Republican president in a moment of national emergency. We charge them with acting as excuse-makers for America’s enemies. We charge them with failing to put America first.”

31 posted on 03/13/2003 6:23:05 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: wideawake
Well put.

Rather than searching for anti-Semitism under every rock

Unfortunatly it is getting to the point where you don't have to look real hard to find it.
At one time not to long ago I thought that anti-Semitism in this country was all but dead, sad to say I was wrong.
32 posted on 03/13/2003 6:27:54 AM PST by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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To: Peach
I don't owe Jewish society any debt.
33 posted on 03/13/2003 6:32:32 AM PST by taxed2death
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To: Valin
That is indeed the problem - professors are teaching students to hate Jews on the most influential campuses in America.

That scares me a lot more than Sunday morning smarm.

34 posted on 03/13/2003 6:34:09 AM PST by wideawake (You'd better look out for me - I'm a member of the F.V.K.)
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To: sinkspur
You're confusing Pro-Americanism with Anti-semitism. Jews fail to realize that sometimes what's good for America may not be good for Israel. So be it.
35 posted on 03/13/2003 6:34:38 AM PST by taxed2death
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To: FRgal4u
As long as the Sharonites wont settle a peace plan with the Palestinains,
You forgot to close your sarcasm tag. You are being sarcastic aren't you? Please tell me you are.

why he thinks the Oslo accord sucks
How about only one side whats to live in peace?
You're getting dangerously close to the moral equivalency argument, and you really don't want to go there!

America blood will shed for this nonsense there...period.
And just what nonsense would that be?

36 posted on 03/13/2003 6:37:18 AM PST by Valin (Age and deceit beat youth and skill)
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To: Peach
It seems many have forgotten the debt owed to Jewish society by nearly permitting their near extinction.

Nonsense

You may owe them a debt, if you were a European of that generation. I am not and I don't.
I categorically reject the idea that "we" owe any debt to groups for what our ancestors may or may not have done to them.
Amerinds, blacks, Jews, Albigensians, Celts.
I have never done anything to them or had any obligation to stop anyone else from doing anything to them.

This wussie liberal implicit guilt just makes it harder to focus on the real issues.

At the moment the US and Israel have a common interest and a common enemy.
That enemy is radical Islam.

So9

37 posted on 03/13/2003 6:38:52 AM PST by Servant of the Nine (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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To: SJackson
Two lefties and a rightist wacko proove anti-semitism is alive and well.
38 posted on 03/13/2003 6:40:07 AM PST by ZULU (You)
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To: FRgal4u
Y'know, the more I read this forum and some others, the more I'm convinced that the the only difference between self-described paleocons and Nazis is that the paleocons realize that the public display of Nazi practices and overt admiration of Nazi ideals doesn't play well to the outside world.
39 posted on 03/13/2003 6:40:51 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: Peach
The Neville Chamberlains of their time permitted the near extinction of the entire Jewish population in Europe

By that logic, all of us, Jews and gentiles, Americans, Brits, Israelis, Arabs, Chinese, et al, are repsonisble for genocide in Rawanda. How many of us intervened?

In fact, back in the 1980s, the Left argued that if you allow people to die of starvation in a famine, then you murdered them.

By this article's logic (refusing to stop another's act equals doing the act) everyone on the planet is guilty of murder. Including the article's author.

40 posted on 03/13/2003 6:45:14 AM PST by Commie Basher
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To: Commie Basher
Hmmmm....Grumpy because "the final solution" was never completed? Nostalgic for the world as it could have been, with the Volk ascendant and in charge, and none of that troublesome mucking around with little dark people?

you sound like a true disciple of your Fuhrer.

41 posted on 03/13/2003 6:48:57 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
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To: ZULU
Two lefties and a rightist wacko proove anti-semitism is alive and well.

So do a lot of people responding on this thread.

Not one of them is conservative.

And Buchanan isn't really rightist. He has a lot more in common with leftist anti-capitalists than conservatives.

42 posted on 03/13/2003 6:54:13 AM PST by tallhappy
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To: SJackson
There's a BIG difference between 'mutual interests' and 'exclusive interests.' Seems to me that for the time being, the US and Israel have 'mutual interests' in changing the Gummint in Iraq. Same may apply to Iran.

But we BOTH derive benefits.

Frankly, it's a lot easier to make the case that France (e.g.) is anti-Israel simply because they will not assist in the project of making the Middle East a reasonably safe place to live.

OTOH, of course, if there is a project which lends 'exclusive benefit' to Israel, it will not be useful for the USA to get involved.
43 posted on 03/13/2003 6:55:15 AM PST by ninenot
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To: taxed2death; Commie Basher
Commie Basher: By this article's logic (refusing to stop another's act equals doing the act) everyone on the planet is guilty of murder. Including the article's author.

I can’t see where you got that from the article.

taxed2death: Jews fail to realize that sometimes what's good for America may not be good for Israel. So be it.

Pat and Rep. Moran would agree with you. Can you offer anything to support that statement?

44 posted on 03/13/2003 6:57:54 AM PST by SJackson
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To: Commie Basher
I stand by my statement and VERY few would disagree: The Neville Chamberlain's of their time permitted the near extinction of the entire Jewish population in Europe.
45 posted on 03/13/2003 7:00:19 AM PST by Peach
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Hmmmm....Grumpy because "the final solution" was never completed? Nostalgic for the world as it could have been, with the Volk ascendant and in charge, and none of that troublesome mucking around with little dark people? you sound like a true disciple of your Fuhrer.

Sorry, but I've been paying dues to the Libertarian Party for 15 years, and I've long advocated libertarian principles on FR, foreign non-intervension, open immigration, legalized drugs, and all.

Yes, that includes the LP's non-discriminatory immigration policy. So unlike a lot of FReepers, I have no problem with "little dark people."

Now, instead of tossing slurs like a leftist, do you care the address what you find illogical about my post? If one is responsible for murder by not intervening in a genocide or famine, then is not the entire world guilty of murder? Did not the entire world stay out of Rawanda? Does not the entire world "owe a debt" to Rwanda?

Foreign non-intervension does not equal committing the act.

46 posted on 03/13/2003 7:01:12 AM PST by Commie Basher
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To: Servant of the Nine
Nice, a voice of reason on this thread. I'm an American of Irish decent. My allegiance is to the United States, not Ireland. Does that make me "anti-Irish"....no. I don't owe Jews anything, I don't owe Blacks anything..I owe some bucks on my credit cards, that's about it. I DO resent the fact that my country sees fit to pay my hard earned tax dollars to countries like Israel, Egypt, Colombia etc.....money down the toilet, no if's, ands, or buts.
47 posted on 03/13/2003 7:03:11 AM PST by taxed2death
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To: SJackson
By this article's logic (refusing to stop another's act equals doing the act) everyone on the planet is guilty of murder. Including the article's author.

I can’t see where you got that from the article.

You're right. I was addressing Peach's statement, and erroneously attributed Peach's statement to the article.

48 posted on 03/13/2003 7:03:15 AM PST by Commie Basher
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To: LarryM
I'd probably give Russert a pass on that, but I admit it's an odd question to ask a government official without basis in action.

I'm sure that Russert would ask the same question to GWB or Cheney, as to whether the war is for oil and self enrichment. If not, then you might be right. ;>)

A more legitimate use of that line of questioning would be to ask Rep. Moran if his self admitted despicable remarks were in part motivated by contributions from Muslim charities that have funneled money to terrorist groups.

49 posted on 03/13/2003 7:03:40 AM PST by SJackson
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You are about the 10th person to mis-read my statements. Go back and re-read. I didn't say Americans owed anyone anything. Sheehs.
50 posted on 03/13/2003 7:03:53 AM PST by Peach
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