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Slain girl's mom files $30M lawsuit against DEA
San Antonio Express News ^ | 3/13/2003 | maro. robbins

Posted on 03/13/2003 8:08:49 AM PST by wildbill

Slain girl's mom files $30 million lawsuit

Claiming federal agents had no reason to use deadly force against her daughter, the mother of a slain 14-year-old girl filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the two agents who she claims fired at Ashley Villarreal. The complaint seeks $30 million and potentially offers the most public review of the Feb. 9 encounter between the teenager and agents who were waiting to arrest her father, cocaine-trafficking suspect Joey Villarreal.

The case was filed in federal court a day after authorities asserted that Joey Villarreal knew about the stakeout and that his daughter was acting as a decoy when she drove along the street with her headlights off.

When investigators tried to stop her sedan, officials said, she rammed their unmarked vehicles and accelerated toward agents, who opened fire without being able to see who was at the wheel.

A lawyer for the girl's mother, Deborah De Luna Villarreal, dismissed this account as "the government laying out an alternate reality."

"I think there is a grave danger that reality is going to be distorted dramatically," said the attorney, Marynell Maloney. "How is a 14-year-old girl responsible to such a degree that she should be killed?"

The lawsuit is directed at two agents who, it asserts, are believed to have fired at the car: Bill Swierc and Jeff Kinnaman. The agents could not be reached for comment.

Authorities have not said who fired the fatal shot.

Maloney said a similar complaint against the agents' employer, the Drug Enforcement Administration, is in the works. Lawyers for Joey Villarreal have indicated they are preparing their own civil suit.

Should the case go to trial, it would offer possibly the most public review of the shooting at the intersection of South San Joaquin and Motes streets.

While the DEA and the San Antonio Police Department are separately examining the incident, it is unclear whether their findings will be released in detail.

A DEA spokesman, noting that the reviews still are under way, said it would be inappropriate for the agency to comment on the lawsuit.

The narrative described in the lawsuit says Ashley believed the agents were gang members. It also faults investigators for not seeing the girl climb into the car, emphasizing that minutes earlier she and a friend had put garbage cans on the stoop.

"This is a girl who's carrying out the trash, standing out there in the streetlight, and they're shooting her dead moments later," Maloney said. "It doesn't add up."

Described by Maloney as traumatized and grieving, Ashley's mother wasn't at a news conference held at the lawyer's office Wednesday.

Maloney said that, while the lawsuit seeks $10 million in actual damages and $20 million in punitive damages, what Ashley's mom wants most is to prove that her daughter was a victim.

"The numbers are really difficult to determine. What is the worth of human life?" Maloney said. "The main point is this thing shouldn't have happened."

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03/13/2003

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Shooting into a dark car at night without verification is not recommended. Her uncle was in the car but not driving. DEA says she was a decoy. Family says she was learning to drive and wanted to drive the car around block and put it in garage. If you wanted a decoy, wouldn't you use the uncle and not a child as a driver.
1 posted on 03/13/2003 8:08:49 AM PST by wildbill
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To: wildbill
"When investigators tried to stop her sedan, officials said, she rammed their unmarked vehicles and accelerated toward agents, who opened fire without being able to see who was at the wheel."

When a driver tries to run down a cop (or agents), they are allowed to defend themselves using deadly force, or else they or other bystanders could be killed. It's a pity, but it's not the agents' fault.

2 posted on 03/13/2003 8:15:40 AM PST by theDentist (So..... This is Virginia..... where are all the virgins?)
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To: theDentist
When a driver tries to run down a cop (or agents), they are allowed to defend themselves using deadly force

Absolutely ... but ... how is it that the fatal shot came from the rear

3 posted on 03/13/2003 8:19:00 AM PST by clamper1797 (Credo Quia Absurdum)
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To: wildbill
"Shooting into a dark car at night without verification is not recommended."

However, shooting into a dark car at night without verification is highly recommended if the driver is trying to run you down.

"Family says she was learning to drive and wanted to drive the car around block and put it in garage."

How does this jibe with, "The narrative described in the lawsuit says Ashley believed the agents were gang members."

What, she wanted to show the gang members how well she could drive? If I'm dealing drugs and gang members are outside, the last thing I'm going to do is practice "Rules of the Road".

4 posted on 03/13/2003 8:20:26 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: theDentist
>> When a driver tries to run down a cop (or agents), they are allowed to defend themselves using deadly force, or else they or other bystanders could be killed. It's a pity, but it's not the agents' fault.

These agents were in plain clothes gang-banger wear. She probably thought she was getting car-jacked. You would drive desperately too if somebody in their finest urbanwear pointed a gun at your car.

5 posted on 03/13/2003 8:21:04 AM PST by shadowman99
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To: shadowman99
If 2 people are coming at me with guns I'll give them the car.
6 posted on 03/13/2003 8:23:54 AM PST by theDentist (So..... This is Virginia..... where are all the virgins?)
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To: theDentist
Unmarked vehicles...guys in suits. Do you instantly assume the position every time a guy in a suit threatens you? That's what we call a slave mentality, isn't it?

The War on Some People Who Use Some Drugs (Only Because They Don't Generate Profits for Wall Street) claims yet another innocent victim.

7 posted on 03/13/2003 8:24:22 AM PST by dwollmann
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To: theDentist
" When a driver tries to run down a cop (or agents), they are allowed to defend themselves using deadly force"

The way this was reported earlier, the agents in two un-marked cars boxed her in from the front and rear. She rammed into one (or both) of the cars and was shot. If that is the way it went down, then her actions would seem reasonable under the circumstances. She might not have had any way of knowing they were agents.
8 posted on 03/13/2003 8:28:17 AM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: wildbill
Every enforcement officers' gun should have a video camera attached to it which begins taping when removed from the holster. This is the only gun control which I advocate.
9 posted on 03/13/2003 8:42:57 AM PST by PaxMacian
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To: theDentist
I think you glossed over the part about "...officials said..." and presumed their word is uncontested fact.

The only uncontested facts here are that two undercover cops killed a 14 year old girl in an escalation of violence initiated by the cops. And they are sticking to their (stupid) story. The WOD is not worth this, or other police actions like Waco. If it takes big lawsuits like this to stop the WOD, then let's get down to it.

10 posted on 03/13/2003 8:50:35 AM PST by SteveH
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To: dwollmann
You are a person with an agenda, aren't you? The whole "wall street" thing is just dumb. If the government wanted to make it profitable for wall street, they'd just legalize it. Duh. Fighting drugs is expensive, hardly a money-making venture. It's expensive, dangerous, and frequently unpopular, and the DEA does it for reasons of principle, not just to keep the black man down. NOT fighting drugs would be the way to make more innocent victims. And since we don't have all the facts here, it's hard to make a judgement, but I'm guessing that the DEA agents probably didn't enjoy killing a 14 year old girl. It sounds like it's the parent's fault, not theirs, at first glance. Wasn't daddy a pusher?
11 posted on 03/13/2003 8:50:43 AM PST by jim35
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To: PaxMacian
Golly gee, what a great idea! You should mention it to the great and mighty Wizard of Oz at once! Then start back on your medication.
12 posted on 03/13/2003 8:52:53 AM PST by jim35
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To: babygene
But they were supposed to know that she was a 14 year old girl? Maybe they should have looked closer while she was ramming them with her car. I'm sure that's what you would have done, right? Boy, if only you had been in charge...
13 posted on 03/13/2003 8:55:25 AM PST by jim35
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To: SteveH
"The only uncontested facts here are that two undercover cops killed a 14 year old girl in an escalation of violence initiated by the cops."

Is that right? And just how did you come to that conclusion? You wouldn't be anti-cop, would you? Sure sounds like it to me.
14 posted on 03/13/2003 8:57:08 AM PST by jim35
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To: wildbill
Family says she was learning to drive and wanted to drive the car around block and put it in garage.

When I was learning to drive, my parents would have sooner let a wild dingo drive the car at night - even around the block - than let me. Full daylight with parents in the car only, and preferably around an empty parking lot.
15 posted on 03/13/2003 8:57:32 AM PST by Xenalyte (I may not agree with your bumper sticker, but I'll defend to the death your right to stick it)
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To: theDentist
"Federal officials say the car pulled away from the house at high speed with the headlights off. When agents tried to box the car in, they say, the girl kept coming toward them and crashed into their vehicle, then threw the car into reverse and rammed the DEA vehicle behind her."

http://216.239.33.100/search?q=cache:L7tR7b85VJoC:www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/metropolitan/1780133
16 posted on 03/13/2003 9:07:40 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: wildbill
Headlights off. That is a big factor for me.

She was "learning how to drive" at 14. Another big factor for me.

Does Texas even allow driver permits for 14 year olds? Pretty sure you need to be 15 to start learning. Then her Uncle allows her to start driving at night with her lights off? Doubtful.

Sounds to me that she was told to "go get their attention", but instead of leading them on a chase, she ended up hitting one of their cars and driving right at some of the officers. How many officers were there? The suit is only brought against 2, but there were likely more if it were an operation to arrest her Father.

"But she was only 14!"

Nobody in harms way knew that, all they knew was a driver in a car was endangering law enforcement agents. Would you hesitate to pull the trigger on someone breaking into your house with a gun drawn? Would you try to find out how old they were before you took action? Of course not. Just because she was 14 doesn't mean that the car was made of soft foam. She could have killed them as easily as a 37 year old man with that car.

I know that there are many here who hate any law enforcement and think all cops and agents deserve to die. Those people are anarchists of a worse kind than any of the loony protestors.

17 posted on 03/13/2003 9:11:43 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: SteveH
Tin-foil hat alert!
18 posted on 03/13/2003 9:18:32 AM PST by theDentist (So..... This is Virginia..... where are all the virgins?)
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To: SteveH
Sorry, posted too early.

You're presuming the words of the grieving mother and the dealer's are uncontested facts. Yes, the girl is dead, and it seems that the escalation of violence was begun on her part, not theirs. She rammed other vehicles first, obviously not caring that there may have been people in them.

If the truth is somewhere in between, I favor the DEA.
19 posted on 03/13/2003 9:24:21 AM PST by theDentist (So..... This is Virginia..... where are all the virgins?)
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To: Roscoe
So many trees and yet so few who can actually see the 'forrest'. Think prohibition II.

Think a repeat of the violence brought by the first attempt at prohibition, only with much greater potential for abuse given the greater amounts being spent on this newest failed attempt to stem the consumption of a substance.

20 posted on 03/13/2003 9:33:42 AM PST by budwiesest
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To: theDentist
Yes, the girl is dead, and it seems that the escalation of violence was begun on her part, not theirs.

Uhh, blockading the normal progress of a car on a street at night from front and rear is not an initiation of violence? What if someone did that to you?

She rammed other vehicles first, obviously not caring that there may have been people in them.

Again you seem predisposed to one side of the story. Why? Clue for you: what happens when a foot is taken off the accelerator pedal in a car with an automatic and stuck in "Drive" after the driver has been disabled?

If the truth is somewhere in between, I favor the DEA.

Well, one thing is damned well sure. The 14 year old girl you've condemned to death after the fact won't be getting any jury trial. Not that it seems to bother the cops involved. Or you.

21 posted on 03/13/2003 9:42:22 AM PST by SteveH
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To: budwiesest
So many trees and yet so few who can actually see the 'forrest'.


22 posted on 03/13/2003 9:43:12 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: jim35
Is that right? And just how did you come to that conclusion?

I merely summarized the news reports. You did not contest it, or add to it, either.

23 posted on 03/13/2003 9:47:06 AM PST by SteveH (troll, be gone)
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To: wildbill
Wow, I missed this. The police apologists have alredy shwon up and had this moved to the SBR.

The DEA depends on the gullibility of the average dolt of a citizen. Decoy? My @$$.

24 posted on 03/13/2003 9:47:40 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: jim35
You are so right. This little lady was obviously driving without a license and therefore deserved to die. We can't have people flaunting the law.
25 posted on 03/13/2003 9:49:32 AM PST by fifteendogs
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To: jim35
Maybe they should have known who was in that car. Or they could have turned on the lights and siren and pulled her over. Or they could have gone out and got jobs that did not involve attacking and killing 14 year old girls.

But they didn't. And if it was up to me they would forfit every thing they own and die under the needle as the murdering thugs that they are.
26 posted on 03/13/2003 9:50:11 AM PST by Rifleman
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To: Roscoe
Haha! I knew that you weren't amongst those who'd fail to appreciate the bigger picture!.
27 posted on 03/13/2003 9:53:07 AM PST by budwiesest (Could someone point me in the direction of the beer wars.)
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To: budwiesest
Thumbnails save bandwidth.
28 posted on 03/13/2003 9:55:07 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Rifleman
Maybe they should have known who was in that car. Or they could have turned on the lights and siren and pulled her over.

Oh, but that could have been dangerous!! Why should these brave men who only want to protect us from evil have to be put in a dangerous situation. I mean, they are cops for petes sake, not janitors./sarcasm

I think its time we end the practice of unmarked cars and plain-clothed law enforcement officers. If you are making an arrest, you wear a uniform with a badge displayed(and no, you cant wear a mask and have tape over your badge either). One person mistakenly killed by undercove cops is too much, and there have been far more than one person killed.

29 posted on 03/13/2003 9:56:14 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: FreeTally
I think its time we end the practice of unmarked cars and plain-clothed law enforcement officers.

Figures.

30 posted on 03/13/2003 10:00:41 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Everything you say makes perfect sense. Could not agree more.

Also, I might add, that the escalation was not brought on by "cops" as another poster pointed out; the escalation was brought on by DRUGS.

No Drugs + No 14 year old behind the wheel + No Suspicious Car With Its Headlights Turned Off + No ramming = No Shooting.

If not for the four points above, the girl would be alive today. And who put the girl in the situation she was in? The agents or the parent(s)? The latter, obviously.

31 posted on 03/13/2003 10:01:24 AM PST by tuna_battle_slight_return
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To: Roscoe
Hey, you wouldn't be going Greenie on us (Save the Bandwidth) would ya?

32 posted on 03/13/2003 10:01:59 AM PST by budwiesest (Could someone point me in the direction of the beer wars.)
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To: budwiesest
I wasn't aware that bandwidth was organic. Does it grow in the "forrest"?
33 posted on 03/13/2003 10:03:21 AM PST by Roscoe
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To: FreeTally
"I think its time we end the practice of unmarked cars and plain-clothed law enforcement officers."

I do not stop for unmarked cars. I allow the sirens and beacons to follow me until I'm in a crowded area, such as a shopping center parking lot, supermarket parking lot, etc.

After I explained why I didn't pull over, I was immediately off the hook.

"How many people, in this city, over the past five years, have posed as cops, with a little portabubble blue/white/red light atop their car, and then rape/kill the person who stops for him, believing him to be a REAL police officer?"

"Okay, case dismissed".

34 posted on 03/13/2003 10:08:36 AM PST by tuna_battle_slight_return
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To: tuna_battle_slight_return
Which banned drug warrior were you before you signed back un in March of this year?
35 posted on 03/13/2003 10:12:28 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: theDentist
"If 2 people are coming at me with guns I'll give them the car."

And if someone tries to run me over with a car, they'll get shot at.

We can go round and round on this. It was a sad situation, but this will end up in a 'he said/she said' kind of thing. The outcome of this will not depend on facts presented, but on the make up of the jury.

36 posted on 03/13/2003 10:18:13 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: fifteendogs
"This little lady was obviously driving without a license and therefore deserved to die."

The punishment for driving without a license, alone, shouldn't be death.

However, it's interesting that some believe that the girl was acting in self-defense. If I'm 14, behind the wheel of a car, with my lights off, knowing my father is into drugs, and two agents pop out from nowhere, I'm going to think "cops" before I think "gang". As such, I would surrender, vs. making the decision to use my car as a deadly weapon (which pretty much ensures I will be killed myself). Just my opinion...

The opinion in this post does not contradict my admitting to not stopping for unmarked cars in another post. For example, I don’t do drugs, and have no reason to expect/believe that anyone is after me, for anything terribly specific (other than speeding, perhaps).

37 posted on 03/13/2003 10:22:36 AM PST by tuna_battle_slight_return
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To: SteveH
"Uhh, blockading the normal progress of a car on a street at night from front and rear is not an initiation of violence?"

Correction - there were some things that occurred before they tried to 'box her in'.

"Federal officials say the car pulled away from the house at high speed with the headlights off. When agents tried to box the car in, they say, the girl kept coming toward them and crashed into their vehicle, then threw the car into reverse and rammed the DEA vehicle behind her."

38 posted on 03/13/2003 10:23:03 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: FreeTally
I was never banned. I still have the tuna_battle account. I just forget which email address I used when signing up (and lost the password). Why the "drug warrior" assertion?
39 posted on 03/13/2003 10:24:45 AM PST by tuna_battle_slight_return
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To: theDentist
I follow the following rules regarding guns:

(1) Assume every gun is loaded.
(2) Don't point the gun at someone unless you intend to pull the trigger.

These are standard safety gun rules.

Now, if I ever find myself in a situation where non-uniformed people are pointing guns at me while I am in a car, I must assume that they are going to fire at me (see rules 1 and 2 above.) Therefore, I must use the car as a weapon and in self defense I will do my best to run them over.

Which is why, as other posters have noted, arresting officers should always be in uniform, and badged. Otherwise it is reasonable to assume that men with unmarked cars, wearing civilian clothes are:
(a) carjackers
(b) kidnappers
(c) terrorists

Logically, under the circumstances, one should always attempt to run down non-uniformed personnel who are pointing guns at you. And I am not joking. People are kidnapped and then robbed, raped, and murdered every day in this country. One must defend oneself as best as one can.

Now -- in this particular case -- no one really knows all the details. But it was clearly foolish for the police to not have had some uniformed officers on hand if they were expecting to make an arrest. Nor would it have been a big deal to get out of the way and then just follow the 14 year old driver. They could have had plainly marked cars arrive, turn on lights and siren, and things would have turned out differently.

40 posted on 03/13/2003 10:26:10 AM PST by dark_lord
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To: Rifleman
And maybe this girl shouldn't have been out at night driving a car with no license, pulling pull away from the curb at high rates of speed with the lights off. This was no innocent act of a girl 'learning to drive by going around the block'.
41 posted on 03/13/2003 10:26:40 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: dark_lord
"Nor would it have been a big deal to get out of the way and then just follow the 14 year old driver."

It was drug-pusher daddy's car. They didn't know it was a 14 year old girl in the driver's seat.

42 posted on 03/13/2003 10:28:13 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: tuna_battle_slight_return
Why the "drug warrior" assertion?

1) Your agreement with #17

2) Your assertion in #31 that "drugs" brought this "escalation"

3) Your statement in #31 that the "parents put her in harm's way, an implication that you believe the asinine "decoy" story.

4) Your sarcastic tone in your #34 to me.

43 posted on 03/13/2003 10:29:27 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: MEGoody
It was drug-pusher daddy's car.

No it wasn't, it was the passenger's car.

44 posted on 03/13/2003 10:30:30 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: MEGoody
Correction - there were some things that occurred before they tried to 'box her in'.

Correction: "Federal officials say..."

Add to that, it is amazing what people will say when they need to cover their backsides. And when there is seemingly no end to people willing to take what they say as incontrovertible fact simply because the people giving their account wear a uniform.

Cops should not be held above the law. If anything, they should be held to a higher standard.

Not a lower standard.

45 posted on 03/13/2003 10:31:44 AM PST by SteveH
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To: jim35
I'm guessing you don't know much about the DEA or any agents personally, do you?

The WoD is HIGHLY profitable to those who's careers depend on it and to those agencies who's budgets depend on it and/or teh asset confiscations.

Do you condone the DEA paramilitary action in central and south american countries?
46 posted on 03/13/2003 10:33:36 AM PST by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excessive legislation.)
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To: dark_lord
Stop making sense. Its not welcomed here.

The wanna be drug pusher acting as a decoy for her drug pushing father got what she deserved/sarcasm

Side note: What exactly was she supposed to be a decoy for? How did her father even know undercover DEA agents were outside? Did he try to "flee" during the ordeal?

The DEA need better lies. They are getting more pathetic by the day.

47 posted on 03/13/2003 10:33:42 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: jim35
What? Its not impossible, a single ccd and memory chip are certainly small enough. A single law suit thwarted would pay for the cost. It would seem to make all the sense in the world. Moreover, if the cameras can be turned on us everywhere else, then why not to protect us.
48 posted on 03/13/2003 10:34:30 AM PST by PaxMacian
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To: MEGoody
They didn't know it was a 14 year old girl in the driver's seat.

My gun training was military, not police. The rules are the same (except for combat when you are under fire from a positively identified enemy.)

Do not discharge your firearm unless you can see the person you are shooting at, and recognize them as someone to be fired upon. Period.

49 posted on 03/13/2003 10:37:50 AM PST by dark_lord
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To: SteveH
Not that it seems to bother the cops involved. Or you.

You forget. The drug warriors believe that it's perfectly fine for innocents to get shot and killed, millions of dollars in property to be stolen from innocent persons, hundreds of doors of innocents to get kicked in at 3 am, hundreds of innocent folks to get slammed to the floor nude by Rambo wannabes - all these things are just fine as long as the holy WOsD continues.

They don't care.

It's unfortunate these things don't happen to them. Their opinion might change.

Oh, yeah, I guess it does, like the politician's kids who get off with a slap on the wrist, while other kids get long jail terms.

Justice, yeah, that's the ticket !

50 posted on 03/13/2003 10:39:58 AM PST by jimt
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