[tubebender]

BUMP...

[lainie]

Plaintiff's attorney actually believes that if the president does not first obtain permission from the U.N., he's breaking the law?

[inquest]

His argument is that Congress' resolution was made contingent upon UN approval. I don't know if that's true or not.

[Revolting cat!]

"This case is very much alive," Bonifaz said.

He's right. They'll file a thousand appeals, and when those fail, they'll file a new suit, and so on. There are no costs involved, no penalties for such frivolities (a shyster penalizing another shyster? Perish the thought!) and they get free publicity and their mugs on the idiot box screens courtesy of the willing mediots.

[inquest]

Sorry! I meant to post that to lainie. Lainie, Post 4 was supposed to be addressed to you.

[Poohbah]

The court did not address the plaintiffs' argument that a congressional resolution authorized war with Iraq only with United Nations approval, saying the claim could not be evaluated because war has not started.

Well, let's check the actual text...

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

1. AUTHORIZATION- The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to--
   1. defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq ; and
   2. enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq.
2. PRESIDENTIAL DETERMINATION- In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon thereafter as may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority, make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate his determination that--
   1. reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq ; and
   2. acting pursuant to this joint resolution is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorist and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

I don't see a damn thing that REQUIRES a UN resolution to be passed BEFORE going to war.

[nicmarlo]

Published Opinion

No. 03-1266

JOHN DOE I, JOHN DOE II, JOHN DOE III, JOHN DOE IV, JANE DOE I, SUSAN E. SCHUMANN, CHARLES RICHARDSON, NANCY LESSIN, JEFFREY MCKENZIE, JOHN CONYERS, DENNIS KUCINICH, JESSE JACKSON, JR., SHEILA JACKSON LEE, JIM MCDERMOTT, JOSÉ E. SERRANO, SALLY WRIGHT, DEBORAH REGAL, ALICE COPELAND BROWN, JERRYE BARRE, JAMES STEPHEN CLEGHORN, LAURA JOHNSON MANIS, SHIRLEY H. YOUNG, JULIAN DELGAUDIO, ROSE DELGAUDIO, DANNY K. DAVIS, MAURICE D. HINCHEY, CAROLYN KILPATRICK, PETE STARK, DIANE WATSON, LYNN C. WOOLSEY,

Plaintiffs, Appellants,

v.

GEORGE W. BUSH, President,
DONALD H. RUMSFELD, Secretary of Defense,

Defendants, Appellees.

[lizma]

Who were the six demorats?

[PhilipFreneau]

The court did not address the plaintiffs' argument that a congressional resolution authorized war with Iraq only with United Nations approval . . .

. . . from CBSnews.com

The Congressional vote endorsing the resolution on Iraq is seen as a solid endorsement of Mr. Bush's insistence that he will work with the United Nations if possible, or alone if necessary, to disarm Saddam of his weapons of mass destruction.

House Democratic Leader Dick Gephardt of Missouri is one of the authors of the resolution.

"The issue is how to best protect America. And I believe this resolution does that," says Gephardt.

The bipartisan agreement gives the president most of the powers he asked for, allowing him to act without going through the United Nations. But in a concession to Democratic concerns, it encourages him to exhaust all diplomatic means first and requires he report to Congress every 60 days if he does take action.

Translation: the President is doing exactly what the Congress wanted him to do, as reported by CBS. But if one considers the names of some of the plaintiffs in the lawsuit, it is easy to understand why they did not understand this fact: they are stupid as hell! Anyone with half-a-brain knows they are stupid as hell!

[nicmarlo]

FYI, at the bottom of the Order (see my post #9, with link), there's a list of Representatives:

1. The military personnel and some of the parents are proceeding under pseudonyms, pursuant to an order by the district court that is not before us. <> The members of the House of Representatives are John Conyers, Dennis Kucinich, Jesse Jackson, Jr., Sheila Jackson Lee, Jim McDermott, José E. Serrano, Danny K. Davis, Maurice D. Hinchey, Carolyn Kilpatrick, Pete Stark, Diane Watson, and Lynn C. Woolsey. We also acknowledge the assistance provided by amicus curiae on behalf of the plaintiffs.

[goldstategop]

Sure. Go ahead and gum up the works so more Americans die. What idiots.