[Pitchfork]

I always thought the "we need guns to defend ourselves from the government" argument was a load of nonsense and a refuge for those who wanted to avoid a cost-benefit discussion centered on the real issues of crime and violence. In fact, the whole "no registration" position is based on this canard--keeping the government in the dark regarding personal gun ownership is perceived to be the only way to limit its over-reaching power. Obviously that isn't the case in Iraq.

Since I can think of no logical opposition to gun registration from a pure crime/self-defense perspective.

[harpseal]

Clearly registration leaqds to confiscation. Look at New York City. The guns in Iraq issue is really simple loyal members of the Baath party are armed. Those not so affiliated are not armed. During the 1930's in Germany loyal members of the National Socialist Workers Party were armed. Jews and other undesireables were unarmed.

Because the NY Times says something does not make it so.

[Joe Brower]

I have not taken the time to read the multitude of responses to this thread, but as for my own efforts in researching this issues you present, there is another thread here on FR that will provide you some answers, particulary post #81:

Is a National Firearms Registry Unconstitutional? .

[Joe Brower]

I have not taken the time to read the multitude of responses to this thread, but as for my own efforts in researching this issues you present, there is another thread here on FR that will provide you some answers, particulary post #81:

Is a National Firearms Registry Unconstitutional? .

[dirtboy]

I always thought the "we need guns to defend ourselves from the government" argument was a load of nonsense and a refuge for those who wanted to avoid a cost-benefit discussion centered on the real issues of crime and violence.

Uh, lots of people in Iraq own guns. But Saddam tightly controls ammo - a pet wish of the gun control crowd. Nice company you keep here, Salon and Saddam.

Since I can think of no logical opposition to gun registration from a pure crime/self-defense perspective.

Try the ample historical examples of government gun registration leading to confiscation and get back to me. In fact, start your entire higher education over and get back to me, there obviously was a massive, systemic failure somewhere.