First Pre-emptive War

[apeman81]

No two situations are identical. However, the underlying theme, seeing a threat to the security of the country and acting in order to alleviate the threat, are the same.

I agree that JFK would have acted had Russia not backed down. GWB will act if Hussein does not back down. The only difference? Russia backed own. Iraq probably will not.

[veronica]

The "pre-emptive" war started on 9-11, when WE were attacked, brutally, viciously and unprovoked. This war, is part and parcel, of that war.

[DallasMike]

Susan Page is the wife of Dallas Morning News Washington Bureau Chief Carl Leubsdorf. Might not hurt to copy him, too.

cleubsdorf@dallasnews.com

[Mudboy Slim]

What about Kosovo?!!

"The Boldness of One Party Increases as They Find the Other Fearful!!"

"October 6, 1776
"...I begin to think that mankind, when engaged in warfare, are a wary and timorous of each other as deer are of men, and the boldness of one party increases as they find the other fearful."
John Chilton
Died September 17, 1777"

Here's another one...

"April 3, 1943
"...A guy gets in some serious thinking out here...sometimes when I happen to be walking along alone, say for instance at night, I stop and say, "Well, Bob, you are in a heck of a fix. What are you doing here? Do you remember how you laughed at the idea of ever bearing arms...?" It's the fellows that have gone before us who make us willingly bear our burdens. Dear God, spare our lives for we are young and love life so much. This is just a short incident in a fellow's life, I tell myself, and soon it will be behind me and I will have forgotten it, and settle down amongst you again....This is one game I'm going to best. I know. When I played baseball I never wanted to sit on the bench, always wanted to play the whole game. And here, too, I'm going out every time, and while I'm playing this game, I'm going to play hard, and to win."
Robert A. Baum
Died April 1943"

I went down to Norfolk (VA) Waterside this weekend for a wedding reception fer friend of mine, have you ever been there? We stayed at the Sheraton and when I went out for a jog early Sunday morning I decided to check out the new Nauticus Museum before it had opened and all the tourists began flooding the area. On the way there, I came upon the City of Norfolk's "Armed Forces Memorial." What a find!! The Memorial is actually a little island built out into the Elizabeth River and accessed by two concrete bridges. It's basically a big square, and on the floor are a number of bronzed, embossed "sheets of paper" that look as if they blew there in the seabreeze. Well, I started reading these letters and they were excerpts from actual letters written by servicemen to their folks, their wives, their children, etc. from the front lines...and each of these letters were written by folks who were never to survive to see the loved ones they were writing. It was still dark outside, so I couldn't really take good photos, but I did go back to the hotel and got pen and paper to jot down a few notes. The above-referenced are all I've got so far...

There were some other great letters, too, and many it was still too dark to read, but I'm going back again soon to photograph the letters for a thread...really moving memorial, my FRiends, check it out if you can!!

FReegards...MUD

1 Posted on 10/02/2000 12:41:55 PDT by Mudboy Slim (Justice@in't.NEGOTIABLE!!)

[SamAdams76]

Germany declared war on the United States right after Pearl Harbor.

[ThinkDifferent]

Technically Iraq did strike first - when they invaded Kuwait in 1990. The United States went to war in 1991 and liberated Kuwait. In addition, they granted Iraq a cease-fire which was contingent upon a host of conditions

Exactly, and there's nothing "technical" about it. Acceptance of a cease-fire has to come with the understanding that hostilities will be renewed if you violate its terms, otherwise it's meaningless.

[gcruse]

Actually, it was a quarantine, not a blockade. And Iraq did not attack us 9/11.

[gcruse]

Saddam never tried to kill Bush I.

You know, I've seen that here before.  
Can you expand on it?  I don't recall Saddam
trying to kill GHW Bush, but maybe you can point me to where that is documented.

[RightWhale]

I do not recall we invaded any country while Kennedy was president.

Sending military advisors to SE Asia wouldn't count. Bay of Pigs wouldn't count, either, since American backup was withdrawn at the end.

[apeman81]

And Iraq did not attack us 9/11"

Debatable. And a non-sequitor.

We find ourselves in a similar confrontation as with the Missile Crisis. A US President driven to act in the name of national security against another country prior to actual hostilities. The warning given, and action to follow if the warning is not heeded.

[Tribune7]

It happened in April 1993 when Bush I was at a speaking engagment in Kuwait. If I remember it right Clinton responded by firing cruise missiles into an empty office building

Here are a couple of links

Iraq Chronology

Human Events

[PISANO]

THIS IS BS...........we have the right to CONTINUE HOSTILITIES BASED on the articles of SURRENDER that IRAQ BROKE 45 days after the GULF WAR.

[gcruse]

Got it. Thanks for that.

[johndpringle]

I guess Cuba did not qualify as a country and the Bay of Pigs invasion was a misnomer.

[cynicom]

Thats right, read my posts and others on the subject.

[Cyber Liberty]

How'd I do?

[apeman81]

I missed it! But I'm sure you were true to your word.

Anyway I can read/see/hear how you handled it?

[never4get]

Yikes, your right. I was in the mind set of an out right pre emptive attack.

[Cyber Liberty]

I'm joshing you, I'm afraid.