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Loudoun Co., VA: BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SAYS 'NO' TO NON-PARTISAN 'SUPPORT OUR TROOPS' RESOLUTION
'Leesburg (VA) Today' Newspaper ^
| March 18, 2003 (Just Out!)
| 'Leesburg Today' Newspaper
Posted on 03/18/2003 2:20:50 PM PST by LiberalsWorstNightmare
LOUDOUN COUNTY (VIRGINIA) County Board Tables War Resolution; Burton, Harris Criticize Bush Action
by Teresa Brumback (Leesburg Today news)
Mar 18, 2003 -- With opposition led by two retired military officers, the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors Monday postponed action on a resolution that expressed support for the nation's troops in the current crisis in the Gulf. Two supervisors, retired Air Force Col. James Burton (I-Mercer) and retired Army Lt. Col. Charles Harris (D-Broad Run), attacked the Bush administration's 'race to war' but didn't ask for a resolution of board opposition to the war. Instead, they voted with a majority of colleagues to defer action on the resolution proposed by Supervisor Eugene Delgaudio (R Sterling) that expressed support for the U.S. military.
The resolution stated, the board 'wholeheartedly supports and appreciates the brave men and women of Loudoun County, Virginia serving in the United States military, and wishes them Godspeed in their dangerous missions and a safe return from harm's way.'
The resolution noted that the service members were called upon to 'offer their utmost devotion in the defense of their country and to bring peace to a troubled corner of the earth.'
Delgaudio had offered a resolution which drew fire asking support for the 'current military actions'. After Supervisor Bill Bogard (District: Sugarland Run) objected, the phrase was changed to express support for the 'Armed Forces of the United States.'
Just a few hours before from President Bush's scheduled address to the nation which was a final ultimatum for Iraq, the board agreed on a 6-3 vote to Harris'motion to table Delgaudio's resolution. Dissenting votes were cast by board Chairman Scott K. York (I-At Large), Delgaudio, and J. Drew Hiatt (R-Dulles).
'Given that this resolution as introduced by a Republican and a patriot, and given the seriousness of this issue' Harris said, 'I would like to see us craft a resolution that will have the consensus of the board so it has some true meaning, at least true meaning in my mind.'
'This is a time for non-partisanship', Delgaudio shot back.
Of the war, Delgaudio said, 'it's a bad thing. It is something that has to happen. God willing, we can have that debate today if we need to.'
Supervisor Sally Kurtz (D-Catoctin) suggested delaying action on the resolution. Delgaudio agreed to a change in language she offered so that a resolution would state 'praise for their [military members] patriotism in responding to their call of duty.'
Burton said he liked Kurtz' wording. 'This has made this more palatable to me. I cannot support wording that implies, insinuates or even hints that this war is justified, because it is not.'
Earlier in the meeting, Burton noted that York had asked supervisors to refrain from commenting on the war. But he ignored York's request. 'I believe it [war] is coming,'he said. I's a shame the national debate hasn't been thorough. I personally am opposed. The reasons that have been given are bogus. We need a debate on this march to war but it appears we're going in that direction.
'It sickens me to think that the debate has been so shallow on this subject up to this point,'Burton said.
As an Air Force office at the Pentagon, Burton won national recognition for exposing manipulation of design and testing of the Bradley Fighting Vehicle. His book, 'The Pentagon Wars,' was the basis for an HBO movie. In the final chapter of that book, Burton criticized military leaders for ending the 1991 Gulf War before destroying Saddam Hussein's elite Republican Guard force.
'If [Gen. Norman] Schwarzkopf knew the gate was open, even after telling the public it was closed, why did he agree to a cease-fire when he knew full well that most of the Republican Guard was escaping? Very confusing indeed,' Burton wrote at the time.
Harris cited his expertise on the subject of war, noting 26 years as a combat arms soldier, including two years in Vietnam and several years 'with my finger on the button of nuclear weapons.'
Agreeing with Burton that the national debate on the war has been lacking, Harris said. 'War fever'is spreading at a time when the nation's democracy is in peril, he said.
'We need to step back and think. To debate the issues of war is not unpatriotic but is required of all citizens,' Harris said.
He reminded colleagues of a son of one of his constituents in Ashburn Village who lost a leg in Afghanistan recently when he stepped on a land mine.
'That family will live with that forever,' Harris said. 'The emotional cost of war is not well-publicized, he said. We dismiss that. To put at risk American lives and the extensive amount of resources truly needs to be for a good cause.
"This is a Bush-Cheney war," Harris said of the president and vice president, "As much as it is an Iraq war. It is a failure of diplomacy." Evidence connecting the Iraqi regime to al Qaeda and its financing of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks hasn't been substantiated, he said.
Supervisor Mark Herring (D-Leesburg) said he attended a peace vigil held by Loudoun Interfaith, a group of churches, "to pray for our leaders and a peaceful resolution."
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Look what the ANTI AMERICAN liberal Democrats (and one independent) are trying to do.
One big barf alert. Can anyone believe this garbage?!
What an absolute outrage that they would not support a generic motion to support the troops in the field posed for WAR.
Methinks they should be 'freeped'!
LOUDOUN COUNTY (VIRGINIA) County Board
Ok....here we go.
posted on 03/18/2003 2:26:07 PM PST
Though I may have bought this hook line and sinker, I loathe the Leesburg Today and don't believe a word they say. That publication has not an ounce of credibility, so I'm not inclined to believe that Jim Burton said that. He's better than that, and is smart enough to know better.
Having said that, if I do find that he DID say that, I'll do what I can to defeat him in the next election.
posted on 03/18/2003 2:27:56 PM PST
I live in Loudoun County and wonder why the motion was even introduced. What's the point?
Unfortunately for them (fortunately for us), it put their views in the public forum. Even those who disagree, who dispute the reasons for this war, should support the troops who'll be fighting in it. These people are asses.
posted on 03/18/2003 2:30:34 PM PST
Looks to me, wrotten local newspapers aside, the public record is that they would not take up a resolution on the Eve of War, for our troops. That disgusts me.
Gotta' get these jerks out of office, or otherwise embarrass them in the news and before the voters. Loudoun to me is kind of a conservative place still, at least Pro-American troops, regardless of party!!
What whimps. I swear I hate Liberal Democratism and anti-American self hatred.
Them and the Dixie Chicks.
We need to remember these people and give 'em payback when we have all the massive, victorious welcome home parades for our boys in the summer.
posted on 03/18/2003 2:32:24 PM PST
(Sorry if I can't answer everyone right away on Japan/Korea freepmail questions. I'm swamped! :-)
Pay them a visit! YOu can post your comments without the hassle of signing up (but do need name/email) Good site - lousy city supervisors.
Two supervisors, retired Air Force Col. James Burton (I-Mercer) and retired Army Lt. Col. Charles Harris (D-Broad Run), attacked the Bush administrations race to war but didnt ask for a resolution of board opposition to the war. Instead, they voted with a majority of colleagues to defer action on the resolution proposed by Supervisor Eugene Delgaudio (R Sterling) that expressed support for the U.S. military.
Want to be that these two jerks were installed in the military by clinton cronies and were retired when clinton slunk away in disgrace?
Unfortunately, there are still a few clinton plants in the armed forces - look for sabotage during this war by some high level ARMY & AIR FORCE officers.
Look to the Navy & Marine Corps to maintain our national security!
posted on 03/18/2003 2:35:47 PM PST
Thanks for telling me. I'm going to give them a piece of my mine. Searching just now for their websites. Further, I'm gonna check them out to see what skeleton's are the in the closet. This is unbelievable. MUST be Career Clintonites.
Jim Burton retired long before Clinton was in office. He was the one that 'exposed' the Bradley tank. I don't know a thing about Harris.
posted on 03/18/2003 2:42:37 PM PST
I lived there 30 years ago ... things have definitely tilted to the left.
posted on 03/18/2003 2:48:29 PM PST
BRAVO! I hope someone is keeping score.
posted on 03/18/2003 3:49:15 PM PST
(Saving some cold ones for our TROOPS!)
I lived there 30 years ago ... things have definitely tilted to the left.
Not exactly. Every non-county race (legislative seat, US Senate, Us House, Gov, etc.) was won by the Republican candidate in Loudoun County (usually by large margins).
The problem is that a local issue (slow growth vs. property rights) has fractured the Loudoun Republican committee (party) into waring camps, allowing Democrats and RINOs to control the local board (with only one or two notable exceptions).
We'll be taking care of that this fall. :)
posted on 03/18/2003 4:25:14 PM PST
I live in Loudoun County
Which part? And have you mailed in you registration for the convention yet?
posted on 03/18/2003 4:27:58 PM PST
Not to worry, there's all sorts of Republican-friendly housing going up there. This'll be fixed in a few years.
posted on 03/18/2003 4:33:25 PM PST
I am moving there this summer..Well if they get the house done!
Don't tell me there is a heavily Liberal govt. there! I can't bear it!!
I may have to Freep Daschle at every chance.
Blue Springs...off Route 50...near 28.
I am sure I will get involved...I always do. I have to decide on official address however, I may still be a Floridian for tax purposes. I may have to vote from Florida address in order to homestead too.
posted on 03/18/2003 4:49:57 PM PST
What do you mean Republican-friendly housing?
posted on 03/18/2003 5:41:54 PM PST
national debate on the war has been lacking
I believe these are code words for not enough people have had their minds changed by our BS.
Well, the tax benefits of Florida are hard to ignore, and the national party will need every FL vote it can get (while VA will be fine).
The county govt should take care of itself if we can work together. As our taxes skyrocket, more and more people are willing to vite their natural bent rather than for simply "slow growth".
posted on 03/18/2003 7:21:23 PM PST
...to defer action on the resolution proposed by Supervisor Eugene Delgaudio...
They voted to table the resolution not to defeat it. The LoCo board is not anti-American, they may be anti-Delgaudio, though.
posted on 03/18/2003 7:33:34 PM PST
To: LiberalsWorstNightmare; BlueCat; Textide
I heard that Lori Waters, Eagle Forum Executive Director, is running for the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors. She will be running against Chuck Harris (D-Broad Run). Any VA Freepers know if Lori Waters has a chance of winning?
Her campaign website is at:
posted on 03/18/2003 8:26:03 PM PST
What do you mean Republican-friendly housing?
If you have to ask, you can't afford it.
posted on 03/20/2003 3:34:24 PM PST
After the next election, you "Smart Growth" people are gonna be sitting out in the audience during the board meetings. You and Scott York will be sitting next to each other wondering what happened. The next election is for the conservatives!
posted on 03/20/2003 6:57:13 PM PST
Here is the story from another local paper, THE LOUDOUN EASTERNER (http://www.easterner.com),
March 19, 2003, front page:
Support for troops tabled by Board
by David Bradley
The Loudoun County Board of Supervisors Monday tabled a resolution of support for members of the military from Loudoun County.
The resolution was brought foreward by Eugene Delgaudio (R-Sterling) at the request of constituent Tom Logan. The resolution was set aside after Chuck Harris (D-Broad Run) said Delgaudio had equated the words "Republican" and "patriot" in his introduction of the resolution. Harris asked that the Board table the motion until Democratic, Independent and Republican Supervisors could review it.
Jim Burton (I-Mercer) objected to language in the resolution which he said implies or insinuates an endorsement of President Bush's decision to invade Iraq.
"I cannot accept language that implies or insinuates that this war is justified, because in my mind it is not," Burton said.
Delgaudio said he was shocked that the Board did not endorse his resolution.
"I made it clear that I wanted to come from a position of non-partisanship," Delgaudio said. "This was not about whether or not they agree with going to war. It was about voicing our support for the people in uniform from Sterling and Loudoun County."
The amended text of the resolution read "Whereas the President of the United States has activated and deployed numerous men and women of the Armed Forces from Loudoun County, Virginia to assignments and missions related to the ongoing global war on terror and the current crisis in Iraq, and whereas the citizens of Loudoun County deserve the high praise for their zeal and patriotosm in answering their nation's call to duty, now therefore, be it resolved by the Board of Supervisors, Loudoun County Virginia as follows: it wholeheartedly supports and appreciates the brave men and women of Loudoun County, Virginia serving in the United States Military, and wishes them Godspeed in their dangerous missions and a safe return from harm's way."
The Board voted to table the resolution 6-3, with Delgaudio, Drew Hiatt (R-Dulles) and Chairman Scott K. York (I-At Large) voting for the resolution. Burton, Harris, Bill Bogard (I-Sugarland Run), Sally Kurtz (D-Catoctin), Eleanore Towe (D-Blue Ridge) and Mark Herring (D-Leesburg) voted to table the resolution.
Harris said he does not agree with the decision for military action in Iraq.
"In my opinion this is a Bush-Cheney war as much as it as an Iraqi war," Harris said.
Burton and Harris both said there has not been enough debate about military action in Iraq.
"It sickens me to think that the national debate on this subject has been so shallow," Burton said.
"The debate on what we're talking about to undertake has been extremely lacking," Harris said. "We need to step back and think."
"To debate the issues of war is not unpatriotic, but is a requirement," Harris said.
posted on 03/22/2003 6:46:37 AM PST
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