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American Bishop Bars Faithful from War Effort
Catholic World News ^ | March 18, 2003 | staff

Posted on 03/18/2003 4:56:14 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah

CANTON, Mar 18, 03 (CWNews.com) -- An American Catholic bishop has forbidden his flock from participating or cooperating in military action against Iraq, under pain of mortal sin. Bishop John Michael Botean, the head of the Romanian Catholic eparchy (diocese) of St. George in Canton, Ohio-- which has jurisdiction over all Byzantine-rite Romanian Catholics living in the US-- invoked the full measure of his authority in a Lenten Letter to his people. The bishop declared with "moral certainty" that the proposed attack on Iraq "does not meet even the minimal standards of the Catholic just-war theory."

The bishop announced that he "must declare to you, my people, for the sake of your salvation as well as my own, that any direct participation and support of this war against the people of Iraq is objectively grave evil, a matter of mortal sin."

Bishop Botean acknowledged that the Catechism of the Catholic Church (2309) identifies public authorities as the final judges of whether military action is justified. But he argued that "the nation-state is never the final arbiter or authority for the Catholic of what is moral." An unjust law or order should not be obeyed, he observed.

Writing with obvious emotion, the Romanian Catholic prelate admitted that "I would much prefer to keep silent." And he pointed out to his people: "Never before have I spoken to you in this manner, explicitly exercising the fullness of authority Jesus Christ has given his apostles." However, he said, he felt a moral burden to guide his people.

Arguing that a military assault on Iraq does not fit the criteria of the just-war tradition, Bishop Botean concluded in stark terms: "Thus, any killing associated with it is unjustified and, in consequence, unequivocally murder."


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1 posted on 03/18/2003 4:56:14 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: nickcarraway; Salvation; Maeve; Siobhan
Ping! This is big. Can any of you ping your lists? Thanks!
2 posted on 03/18/2003 4:58:31 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
These Bishops risk losing more members.
3 posted on 03/18/2003 4:59:14 PM PST by aynrandfreak
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
To be filed under: I didn't leave the church, the church left me.
4 posted on 03/18/2003 5:01:02 PM PST by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls history.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
HE IS AN IDIOT!
5 posted on 03/18/2003 5:01:04 PM PST by observer5
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Whatever... as a life long Catholic, this last bit of news puts it over the top. I'm witholding my contributions till further notice.
6 posted on 03/18/2003 5:02:35 PM PST by jdogbearhunter
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To: aynrandfreak
"Arguing that a military assault on Iraq does not fit the criteria of the just-war tradition"

I guess if the UN had OKed it would? Moron.

7 posted on 03/18/2003 5:02:46 PM PST by observer5
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Clean up your own house of homosexual predators
before you say anything about Americans!
8 posted on 03/18/2003 5:02:57 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (chIRAQ & sadDAM are bedfellows & clinton is a raping traitor!)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Well, this Catholic has a message for this bishop who is putting even more of a load on the young men and women on their way to liberate Iraq.

Bishop Botean, you are a disgrace.

9 posted on 03/18/2003 5:03:08 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Never before have I spoken to you in this manner....

Meaning, of course, that pedophilia and abortion aren't of sufficient gravity to warrant his attention.

10 posted on 03/18/2003 5:04:38 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Blind fool. No moral justification for war? All national security interests aside, Saddam's tyrrany is moral justification enough.
11 posted on 03/18/2003 5:04:40 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: aynrandfreak
I left the Catholic church in 1970 over Liberation Theology. I was just back from the war when I had to sit in mass and be sermonized by a priest, who is now quite high in the church, as to the immorality of our efforts in Vietnam. I got up, walked out, and have never gone back.

Looks like they're at it again.
12 posted on 03/18/2003 5:04:44 PM PST by x1stcav
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
The bishop announced that he "must declare to you, my people, for the sake of your salvation as well as my own, that any direct participation and support of this war against the people of Iraq is objectively grave evil, a matter of mortal sin."

Is he saying that if you are in the military you are going to hell?
13 posted on 03/18/2003 5:04:52 PM PST by looney tune
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To: jdogbearhunter
I'm witholding my contributions till further notice.

I'm with you, no more money for the Vatican until or unless they smack this guy down.

14 posted on 03/18/2003 5:04:54 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
He's right about the principles involved, and he has the authority, as a bishop to teach those principles. A Catholic (or anyone else) is forbidden ever do anything immoral, and being commanded to do something immoral does not authorize anyone to obey that command. I.e., there is no such thing, in Catholic moral theology, as the excuse, "I was just obeying orders." If the act is immoral, BOTH the one who commanded it and the one obeying are guilty.

So it is not an adequate answer to the bishop to tell him that the President says we are going to war, so shut up. That is a mindless response to the bishop.

The question is: Is the bishop correct in his judgment that this war violates justice? He has no special charism or authority to make that judgment. He can be as easily wrong as right.

I think he is wrong, because we have been at war for years--i.e., the U.S. is not about to initiate unjust aggression--and Saddam is a killer who is manifestly preparing to kill again.

15 posted on 03/18/2003 5:05:32 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
> Byzantine-rite Romanian Catholics<

READ people!!!!

Romanian NOT Roman!!!!!

Nothing to do with the rest of us!
16 posted on 03/18/2003 5:05:52 PM PST by G Larry ($10K gifts to John Thune before he announces!)
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To: jwalsh07
Note Byzentine Romanian.
17 posted on 03/18/2003 5:06:20 PM PST by MEG33
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
This article says "Byzantine-right Romanian Catholics"...sounds separate from the Roman Catholic Church? I've never heard of them before.

(And I thought we Presbyterians were confusing...)

}:-)4
18 posted on 03/18/2003 5:06:25 PM PST by Moose4
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Gee, during the Greek War of Independence against the Ottoman empire the Greek Orthodox priest were not unknown to take up arms and actually kill an enemy or two. Then again many of them had wives and children....

Seriously is this a joke? Is this an urban legend?

Is this a leftist/homosexual priest?
19 posted on 03/18/2003 5:06:40 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
An American Catholic bishop has forbidden his flock from participating or cooperating in military action against Iraq, under pain of mortal sin.

The continuing death of Catholicism revealed. I'm glad that Catholics are Christians, but their leaders are COMPLETE MORONS.

20 posted on 03/18/2003 5:06:46 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Take charge of your destiny, or someone else will)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
An American Catholic bishop has forbidden his flock from participating or cooperating in military action against Iraq, under pain of mortal sin.

He can't do this. No prelate can suddenly declare something to be a "mortal sin." He especially cannot declare a morally neutral action such as fighting for one's country to be sinful at all. German soldiers were not guilty of sin for fighting for Hitler.

This bishop (to borrow a Richard Pryor phrase) "is crazy"!

21 posted on 03/18/2003 5:06:52 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Moose4
Byzantine-rite, not right...yeeeeesh, my bad.

}:-)4

22 posted on 03/18/2003 5:07:08 PM PST by Moose4
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
The good bishop is not seeing the forest for the trees. The disarming of Iraq is but a battle in a war which we did not start. The just war theory does not preclude aggressive tactics in a defensive war.
23 posted on 03/18/2003 5:07:12 PM PST by T Ruth
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
My priest is in the National Guard. He hasn't been called up but we're willing to do without him if he's needed in the war effort. I have to admit that our bishop doesn't like him being in the guard just because he needs every priest he has but he hasn't prevented him.
24 posted on 03/18/2003 5:07:12 PM PST by tiki
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To: Arthur McGowan
The problem is that he knows as well as you do that the answer to the question you pose is not his province yet he places additional burdens on young Catholic fighting men and women the world over.
25 posted on 03/18/2003 5:07:31 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jdogbearhunter
Read it again.
Are you a ROMAINIAN Catholic?
26 posted on 03/18/2003 5:07:42 PM PST by G Larry ($10K gifts to John Thune before he announces!)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Wrong Church Read the article again!
27 posted on 03/18/2003 5:08:19 PM PST by G Larry ($10K gifts to John Thune before he announces!)
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To: Moose4
perhaps they are old calendar orthodox church.
28 posted on 03/18/2003 5:08:44 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: G Larry
Romanian NOT Roman!!!!!

Nothing to do with the rest of us!

Not too put too much of a slam on Catholics but isn't this just echoing what the pope said ? "Invasion is a crime"

29 posted on 03/18/2003 5:08:45 PM PST by Centurion2000 (Take charge of your destiny, or someone else will)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
This guy is not Roman Catholic.
30 posted on 03/18/2003 5:10:08 PM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
This guy evidently is a Bishop in an Eastern Church that is affiliated with the Catholic Church. I don't know what the rules are within his particular group, but if he were a Catholic bishop, this statement would be essentially meaningless. A bishop has a perfect right to warn the faithful that he thinks a certain course of action would be sinful, but it is a prudential judgment and he may be wrong. In this case he almost certainly is wrong.
31 posted on 03/18/2003 5:10:46 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Well, while this is not my diocese, and while I am not Eastern Rite, this is one mortal sin, I would bear. God Bless

Vocatus Atque Non Vocatus Deus Aderit
32 posted on 03/18/2003 5:11:41 PM PST by StAthanasiustheGreat
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
As a Catholic I can attest that this is not in his power. When he pretends to speak with the authority of God he is indeed "Using God's name in vain".
33 posted on 03/18/2003 5:12:04 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Why doesn't this Bishop excomunicate the good Catholic boys (sic)Teddy Kennedy and Tom Daschle for their support of partial birth abortions?
34 posted on 03/18/2003 5:12:55 PM PST by The Great RJ
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To: Moose4
Romanian, Roman. Tomato, Tomahto.

This is a moral, just war.

Some people deserve killing. Saddam Hussein is one of them.
35 posted on 03/18/2003 5:13:00 PM PST by baseballmom (Valley Forge Rally - 3/16/03)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
"Man hath no greater love than to lay down his life for his brother"
36 posted on 03/18/2003 5:13:09 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: MEG33
Thanks, I missed that.
37 posted on 03/18/2003 5:13:10 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Surely this will surface the usual anti-Catholic crowd - 'I was once a Catholic', 'the Pope didn't condemn Hitler's military, 'the Bible says war will bring on the rapture', 'I'm a practicing Catholic but ...'.
38 posted on 03/18/2003 5:14:15 PM PST by ex-snook (American jobs needs balanced trade - WE BUY FROM YOU, YOU BUY FROM US)
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To: x1stcav
READ!!!!!!
It ain't THAT Catholic Church!!!!
39 posted on 03/18/2003 5:16:02 PM PST by G Larry ($10K gifts to John Thune before he announces!)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
"which has jurisdiction over all Byzantine-rite
Romanian Catholics living in the US-- invoked the full measure of his authority"

#1 What the heck is a Byzantine-rite Roman Catholic?

#2 Sounds more like he is some kind of Mullah. Does his authority include declaring a jihad?
40 posted on 03/18/2003 5:16:40 PM PST by Milwaukee_Guy (Having France in NATO, is like taking an accordion deer hunting.......)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah; aculeus; general_re; BlueLancer; hellinahandcart; Poohbah; hchutch; L,TOWM

St. Mary's Byzantine Catholic Church

Very well, Bishop, here's your fifteen minutes.

41 posted on 03/18/2003 5:18:51 PM PST by dighton (Amen-Corner Hatchet Team, Nasty Little Clique, Vulgar Horde)
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To: G Larry
I didn't think so either, but then why is he listed in the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops?

link here

42 posted on 03/18/2003 5:20:02 PM PST by katnip
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

The Rite of Constantinople

(Also BYZANTINE RITE.)

The Liturgies, Divine Office, forms for the administration of sacraments and for various blessings, sacramentals, and exorcisms, of the Church of Constantinople, which is now, after the Roman Rite, by far the most widely spread in the world. With one insignificant exception -- the Liturgy of St. James is used once a year at Jerusalem and Zakynthos (Zacynthus) -- it is followed exclusively by all Orthodox Churches, by the Melkites (Melchites) in Syria and Egypt, the Uniats in the Balkans and the Italo-Greeks in Calabria, Apulia, Sicily, and Corsica. So that more than a hundred millions of Christians perform their devotions according to the Rite of Constantinople.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04312d.htm

43 posted on 03/18/2003 5:21:10 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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Bishop John Michael Botean

Romanian Catholic Church of the Byzantine Rite (Greek Catholic) is an Eastern Rite Catholic Church in full communion with Rome. It is not a Latin Rite (Roman Catholic) Church. There are 6 rites and 22 autonomous Churches or Churches sui juris within the Catholic Church. Each autonomous Church comes under any of the 6 rites. Except Roman Church (Latin)which is the Western Church, all other 21 Churches belong to Eastern rites.

44 posted on 03/18/2003 5:21:34 PM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
One of the many reasons (other than Scriptural) that I am not a Catholic anymore
45 posted on 03/18/2003 5:24:05 PM PST by apackof2 (SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL RALLY FOR AMERICA !!)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
As if people need some sort of "church" approval for salvation . . .
46 posted on 03/18/2003 5:24:29 PM PST by realpatriot71 (legalize freedom!)
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To: G Larry
Nothing to do with the rest of us!

Not true. He's a member of an Eastern Rite Church in full communion with Rome.

47 posted on 03/18/2003 5:25:28 PM PST by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
His Grace John Michael Botean, D.D.
The Bishop of the Romanian Byzantine Catholic Diocese of Canton, Ohio

Most Reverend John Michael Botean, DD
Bishop for the Romanian Byzantine Faithful of the United States.
Ordained May 18, 1986
Appointed July 15, 1993
Episcopal Ordination August 24, 1996


48 posted on 03/18/2003 5:25:48 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: The Great RJ
He has no authority to do so- he's a Byzantine-rite Romanian Catholic bishop. I doubt there are even that many people in his eparchy (diocese).
49 posted on 03/18/2003 5:28:08 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Cultural Jihad
I'm going to clarify that this bozo IS NOT Eastern Orthodox. He's in a church that celebrates a modified Byzantine rite liturgy, but is in communion with Rome - and as such, is taking his cues from the Vatican leg of the Axis of Weasels.
50 posted on 03/18/2003 5:30:15 PM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (the NCAA is the UN of college athletics - arrogant toward the good, toothless against the bad)
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