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Libertarians Join Liberals in Challenging Sodomy Law
NYTimes ^ | March 19, 2003 | LINDA GREENHOUSE

Posted on 03/19/2003 12:48:02 AM PST by RJCogburn

The constitutional challenge to the Texas "homosexual conduct" law that the Supreme Court will take up next week has galvanized not only traditional gay rights and civil rights organizations, but also libertarian groups that see the case as a chance to deliver their own message to the justices.

The message is one of freedom from government control over private choices, economic as well as sexual. "Libertarians argue that the government has no business in the bedroom or in the boardroom," Roger Pilon, vice president for legal affairs at the Cato Institute, said today, describing the motivation for the institute, a leading libertarian research organization here, to file a brief on behalf of two gay men who are challenging the Texas law.

Dana Berliner, a lawyer for the Institute for Justice, another prominent libertarian group here that also filed a brief, said, "Most people may see this as a case purely about homosexuality, but we don't look at it that way at all." The Institute for Justice usually litigates against government regulation of small business and in favor of "school choice" tuition voucher programs for nonpublic schools.

"If the government can regulate private sexual behavior, it's hard to imagine what the government couldn't regulate," Ms. Berliner said. "That's almost so basic that it's easy to miss the forest for the trees."

The Texas case is a challenge to a law that makes it a crime for people of the same sex to engage in "deviate sexual intercourse," defined as oral or anal sex. In accepting the case, the justices agreed to consider whether to overturn a 1986 precedent, Bowers v. Hardwick, which upheld a Georgia sodomy law that at least on its face, if not in application, also applied to heterosexuals.

While the Texas case has received enormous attention from gay news media organizations and other groups that view the 1986 decision as particularly notorious, it has been largely overshadowed in a busy Supreme Court term by the challenge to the University of Michigan's affirmative action program. The justices accepted both cases on the same day last December, and briefing has proceeded along identical schedules. The Texas case will be argued March 26 and the Michigan case six days later, on April 1.

Although libertarian-sounding arguments were presented to the court as part of the overall debate over the right to privacy in the Bowers v. Hardwick case, they were not the solitary focus of any of the presentations then. The Institute for Justice had not yet been established, and the Cato Institute, which dates to 1977, had not begun to file legal briefs. Whether the arguments will attract a conservative libertarian-leaning justice like Clarence Thomas, who was not on the court in 1986, remains to be seen.

More traditional conservative groups have entered the case on the state's side, among them the American Center for Law and Justice, a group affiliated with the Rev. Pat Robertson that is a frequent participant in Supreme Court cases.

The split among conservatives demonstrates "a diversity of opinion among our side," Jay Alan Sekulow, the center's chief counsel, said today. He said the decision to come in on the state's side presented a "tough case, one that we approached with reluctance." He said he decided to enter the case after concluding that acceptance of the gay rights arguments by the court might provide a constitutional foundation for same-sex marriage.

The marriage issue also brought other conservative groups into the case on the state's side. "The Texas statute is a reasonable means of promoting and protecting marriage — the union of a man and a woman," the Family Research Council and Focus on the Family told the court in a joint brief.

While the Texas case underscores the split between social and libertarian conservatives, it is evident at the same time that the alliance between the libertarians and the traditional civil rights organizations is unlikely to extend further. The two are on opposite sides in the University of Michigan case, with both the Cato Institute and the Institute for Justice opposing affirmative action while nearly every traditional civil rights organization has filed a brief on Michigan's side. The Bush administration, which filed a brief opposing the Michigan program, did not take a stand in the Texas case.

In 1986, when the court decided Bowers v. Hardwick, half the states had criminal sodomy laws on their books. Now just 13 do. Texas is one of four, along with Kansas, Oklahoma, and Missouri, with laws that apply only to sexual activity between people of the same sex. The sodomy laws of the other nine states — Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Utah and Virginia — do not make that distinction. The Georgia law that the Supreme Court upheld was later invalidated by the Georgia Supreme Court.

The Texas law is being challenged by John G. Lawrence and Tyron Garner, who were found having sex in Mr. Lawrence's Houston apartment by police officers who entered through an unlocked door after receiving a report from a neighbor that there was a man with a gun in the apartment. The neighbor was later convicted of filing a false report. The two men were held in jail overnight, prosecuted and fined $200 each. Represented by the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund, they challenged the constitutionality of the law and lost in a middle-level state appeals court. The Texas Supreme Court refused to hear the case.

The United States Supreme Court's decision to take the case has been interpreted on both sides as an indication that the court is likely to rule against the state. Both Texas and the organizations that have filed briefs on its side devote considerable energy in the briefs to trying to convince the justices that granting the case was a mistake, a choice of tactics that is usually an indication of concern that a decision that does reach the merits will be unfavorable.

If the justices do strike down the Texas law, the implications of the decision will depend on which route the court selects from among several that are available. The court could find that by singling out same-sex behavior Texas has violated the constitutional guarantee of equal protection. Because the Bowers v. Hardwick decision did not address equal protection, instead rejecting an argument based on the right to privacy, such a decision would not necessarily require the court to overrule the 1986 precedent.

The Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund's brief for the two men urges the court to go further and rule that any law making private consensual sexual behavior a crime infringes the liberty protected by the Constitution's due process guarantee. Several arguments in its brief appear tailored to Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who voted with the majority in Bowers v. Hardwick but is now assumed, on the basis of her later support for abortion rights and her votes in other due process cases, to be at least open to persuasion.

For example, the brief includes a quotation from Jane Dee Hull, then the Republican governor of Arizona, where Justice O'Connor once served in the Legislature, on signing a bill repealing the state's sodomy law in 2001. "At the end of the day, I returned to one of my most basic beliefs about government: It does not belong in our private lives," Governor Hull said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News
KEYWORDS: 3branchesofgovt; homosexualagenda; ifitfeelsgooddoit; itsjustsex; legislatefromcourts; libertariansliberals; nonewtaletotell; peckingparty; sodomylaws; usualsuspects
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To: Aquinasfan
Well, it used to be obvious, anyway.

Yeah. BTW, for any social conservatives lurking this thread, the socialization argument is an extremely fruitful one. There's no answer the "if I'm not hurting anyone, it's my business" crowd can give to it, because no act happens in isolation.

61 posted on 03/19/2003 9:01:35 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: Aquinasfan
I support sodomy laws when applied to everyone, but I think this Texas law is unconstitutional. For instance,
Cunnilingus:
Between man and woman is OK, but between woman and woman is Not OK.

Fellatio:
Between man and woman is OK, but between man and man is Not OK.

Anal Intercourse:
Between man and woman is OK, but between man and man is Not OK.

Where is the “equal protection under the law?”

I predict that the Supreme Court will strike down this law.

62 posted on 03/19/2003 9:04:16 AM PST by george wythe
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To: Protagoras
God will deal with sinners at the judgement, he does not require your puny efforts to deal with it by violence or the threat thereof.

Well said.

I think they missed the part about it not infringing on others' rights, which is the only legitimate reason to criminalize anything.

63 posted on 03/19/2003 9:05:04 AM PST by jimt
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To: sakic
Neither can heterosexuals so I'm not sure what your point is.

Here's my point. Let's take a "Jamestown Colony" situation, i.e. people having to survive in a state of nature, or harsh conditions.

Heterosexuals can do it because they can have children to (eventually) share the workload and care for the previous generation. The heterosexual "means" of sex is what the human body is designed for, thus there aren't the horrendous diseases and health problems that homosexuals have etc. Heterosexuals are also far more emotionally mature to deal with such a situation, and would construct social and moral structures (nuclear marriage, standards of moral behavior, helping out neighbors, etc.) that would engender survival. Homosexuals, being naturally self-destructive, immature and selfish, could not bring themselves these things.

In short, if you took a group of 200 heterosexuals and put them in a state of nature, and then came back a year later to see how they were faring, some would have died but most likely could hang on. Take a group of 200 homosexuals in the same situation and you'd come back a year later to find 200 skeletons and a bunch of fat buzzards. Homosexuals are far too immature, selfish, and self-destructive to survive in a situation like that.

They can only survive in the context of a heterosexual society. Thus, we can live without them, and they can't live without us. Thus we can regulate their behavior, and because their behavior is uniformly negative and destructive to society (higher health costs, child molestation, etc.) we should.

64 posted on 03/19/2003 9:12:11 AM PST by HumanaeVitae
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To: HumanaeVitae
I have never seen you rant about hetrosexual sin.
65 posted on 03/19/2003 9:16:44 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: Protagoras
You need to brush up on your argumentation skills. Which are currently on the jr. high level.

If HV's arguments are typical of "the jr. high level", then education in this country has swirled even further down the bowl that I'd thought.

66 posted on 03/19/2003 9:22:57 AM PST by steve-b
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To: HumanaeVitae
Your example lacks reality.

Homosexuals are the progeny of heterosexuals. For instance, if my daughter turns out to be a lesbian, she will be as capable as any other woman to contribute to any society, large or small.

Furthermore, homosexuals do marry and have children, especially when that’s necessary for the survival of their society. In poor societies where children are considered to be their “social security” and “medicare” wrapped into one, most homosexuals marry and procreate

67 posted on 03/19/2003 9:23:44 AM PST by george wythe
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To: Aquinasfan
The question isn't whether it is moral to criminalize intrinsically evil acts, the question is whether it is prudent to criminalize particular evil acts.

The basis of totalitarian philosophy is the notion that the limits of state power are set by no principles, but only by the political prudentials of the moment.

68 posted on 03/19/2003 9:25:04 AM PST by steve-b
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To: HumanaeVitae
LOL! Now you're saying that the celebate, the diabetic, and the maimed veteran have no rights.

But of course you're being redundant, since your position is that nobody has any right to speak freely, to keep and bear arms, to be secure in their property, etc.

69 posted on 03/19/2003 9:26:38 AM PST by steve-b
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To: HumanaeVitae
Growing old is not a voluntarily-chosen behavior.

Nonsense. People voluntarily choose not to grow old every single day.

70 posted on 03/19/2003 9:27:50 AM PST by steve-b
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To: Aquinasfan
The difference between these cases is that aging isn't voluntary

Aging is most certainly voluntary. Fire a .45 hollowpoint into your brain pan and you won't age another day.

71 posted on 03/19/2003 9:31:07 AM PST by steve-b
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To: RJCogburn
Libertarians Join Liberals

Just damn.

72 posted on 03/19/2003 9:32:16 AM PST by mhking
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To: steve-b
LOL!

Marilyn Monroe did not grow old.

In all her pictures, she looks like fox.

74 posted on 03/19/2003 9:32:51 AM PST by george wythe
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To: Protagoras
God will deal with sinners at the judgement, he does not require your puny efforts to deal with it by violence or the threat thereof.

Depends on what God you worship, doesn't it?

The God you and I believe in is perfectly capable of looking out for Himself. The one worshipped by Mohammad Atta and some FReepers is a weak sort who needs minions.

75 posted on 03/19/2003 9:34:01 AM PST by steve-b
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77 posted on 03/19/2003 9:35:53 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: HumanaeVitae
Your logic is compelling. For instance, let's get rid of those silly old legal technicalities for investigations of accused paedophile priests (the rest of society can survive without men who won't boink women, but they as you have explained cannot survive without the rest of society) and just string 'em up. They have no right to a fair trial -- as you'll agree, since you believe that nobody at all has such a right.
78 posted on 03/19/2003 9:36:46 AM PST by steve-b
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To: RJCogburn
even a stopped clock is right twice a day
79 posted on 03/19/2003 9:38:46 AM PST by Daveinyork
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