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BBC Reports US B52s Depart RAF Fairford
BBC Channel 1 | 21 March 2003

Posted on 03/21/2003 2:13:17 AM PST by UKCajun

BBC showing live pictures of US B52s departing RAF Fairford airbase in the UK


TOPICS: Breaking News; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: awe; b52s; moab; shock; shockandawe; uk
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Go get 'em boys! Our prayers are with you!!
1 posted on 03/21/2003 2:13:17 AM PST by UKCajun
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To: UKCajun
SKYNEWS LIVE LINK

http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1066359.jpg

2 posted on 03/21/2003 2:15:10 AM PST by Bad~Rodeo (Kick the Tires and Light the Fires)
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To: Bad~Rodeo
Alright!!

Thanks.
3 posted on 03/21/2003 2:15:47 AM PST by UKCajun
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To: UKCajun
Time for a little carpet bombing.
4 posted on 03/21/2003 2:17:09 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo
Here comes the SHOCK! Next, a little bit of AWE....
5 posted on 03/21/2003 2:18:27 AM PST by UKCajun
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To: UKCajun
SADDAM AND THUGS:
Here it comes. Here it comes. Here it comes your 19th nervous breakdown.
6 posted on 03/21/2003 2:19:21 AM PST by dennisw
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To: UKCajun
Sounds like the mierda may be about to hit the fan for Saddam.
7 posted on 03/21/2003 2:19:39 AM PST by Chi-townChief
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To: UKCajun
TIME HAS COME TODAY!

Sure hope this means mucho fireworks. This will mean daytime vulnerability and shame for Saddam and company. Leading to more surrender and ignoring Saddam's commands from his fuhrerbunker where he's tending to his wounds. Out of site and out of mind.
8 posted on 03/21/2003 2:24:39 AM PST by dennisw
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To: UKCajun
I saw this on the news a few minutes ago. I don't think that information like this should be broadcast in real-time. I'm disgusted that the BBC would do this.

Whoever is on the receiving end of their ordinance is in *big* trouble. What fantastic aircraft.

Andrew
9 posted on 03/21/2003 2:25:23 AM PST by Andy Ross
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To: UKCajun
I saw this on the news a few minutes ago. I don't think that information like this should be broadcast in real-time. I'm disgusted that the BBC would do this.

Whoever is on the receiving end of their ordinance is in *big* trouble. What fantastic aircraft.

Andrew
10 posted on 03/21/2003 2:25:24 AM PST by Andy Ross
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To: Andy Ross
hehehe... Saddam's troops are going to receive their first real taste of "shock and awe" soon. Its one experience they'll remember forever. A B-52 bombing is like nothing on this earth.
11 posted on 03/21/2003 2:26:47 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: dennisw
Agreed. Definitely "daytime vulnerable" now.

Go get 'em boys!
12 posted on 03/21/2003 2:27:00 AM PST by UKCajun
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To: UKCajun
Yep, I've just watched lots of them take off, some with ALCM's on pylons, some without.
13 posted on 03/21/2003 2:27:30 AM PST by maquiladora
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To: Andy Ross
I believe the B52s were placed RAF Fairford for the psychops aspects--the Airforce knowing full well the activities would be broadcast worldwide!!
14 posted on 03/21/2003 2:29:06 AM PST by UKCajun
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To: UKCajun
>>Definitely "daytime vulnerable" now.

Could easily be after dark by the time the BUFF's get to their targets. It's around 13:30 local time, and I think sunset is around 18:15 or thereabouts, so less than 5 hours from now until sunset. I think the cruising time is easily that.
15 posted on 03/21/2003 2:29:55 AM PST by FreedomPoster (This Space Intentionally Blank)
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To: FreedomPoster
Flying time to Paris from RAF Fairford?
16 posted on 03/21/2003 2:31:14 AM PST by UKCajun
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To: UKCajun
IF this is Shock and Awe, flight time from Fairford to Baghdad is appx. 6 hours?....ETA is 10:15a central
17 posted on 03/21/2003 2:31:34 AM PST by Bad~Rodeo (Kick the Tires and Light the Fires)
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To: UKCajun
yep, someone is going to get a load...the 8th one is just after taking off

they rekon the full 14 will be off...if i was an iraqi soldier here is the steps

1. crap pants
2. drop weapon
3. start running

it takes about 5 hrs to iraq...so you MAY make it out of th bomb zone...

on a seperate point -- maybe they are off to afghanistan
18 posted on 03/21/2003 2:33:09 AM PST by Irishguy (League of Nations (version 1.1 BETA) currently in user testing...problems reported)
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To: UKCajun
Here cum da big buffs!
19 posted on 03/21/2003 2:33:56 AM PST by patriotUSA
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To: UKCajun
Seem to need a lot of runway. Some additional weight on board?
20 posted on 03/21/2003 2:35:24 AM PST by ch.man
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To: Irishguy
and the 9th is leaving ....jesus -- if only they knew what is on the way...
21 posted on 03/21/2003 2:35:34 AM PST by Irishguy (League of Nations (version 1.1 BETA) currently in user testing...problems reported)
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To: UKCajun
U.S. B-52 bombers arrive at base in Britain
2003-03-03 16:35:39 GMT (Reuters)
By Peter MacDiarmid

FAIRFORD, England, March 3 (Reuters) - A group of U.S. B-52 bombers landed at Britain's Fairford Royal Air Force base on Monday as Washington moved the aircraft that would play an early role in any war on Iraq closer to their targets.

To the fury of peace protesters and the delight of plane spotters, the huge grey jets roared low over the perimeter fence before opening parachutes on the runway -- the longest in Europe -- to help them rumble to a halt.

British Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon told parliament he had agreed to a U.S. request for 14 B-52 bombers to fly to RAF Fairford in the western county of Gloucestershire from the United States, with their extra support personnel.

"The aircraft began to arrive at the base today. This is part of continuing contingency preparations," he said. "No decision to commence military action has been made."

A Reuters correspondent saw eight B-52s land at the base. A Defence Ministry spokeswoman said the full complement would have arrived within 48 hours.

Fairford can also house U.S. "batwing" B-2 stealth bombers, which Washington announced last week it would deploy soon. But the Defence Ministry said Britain had received no request to base the B-2s at Fairford, a sign they would probably go to the Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia instead.

Even without the mysterious stealth bombers, the arrival of the B-52s caused a stir. Plane spotters and journalists gathered to watch them landing, joining a small number of protesters who have maintained a "peace camp" nearby.

Amateur pilot Malcolm Faiers said he had always wanted to see a B-52. "It was very good and very interesting. I'm quite impressed by the size of the aircraft," he said. "I'm very pro-getting-on-with-this-war, so that's another reason I came."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ---->

At the peace camp, protesters were outraged.

"We're devastated that war may now actually start within a few days," protest organiser Dave Cockroft told Reuters. "The fear is that America has lost patience with the whole process of trying to legitimise what they are doing, and are going do it anyway."

Protester Brenda Burrell said: "I'm talking to you, and on my left two enormous dark grey American bombers, in our beautiful Gloucestershire countryside, are being fuelled up -- I'm absolutely outraged that this is happening in the country I was born in.

"This is mass murder we are going to be committing. This is unspeakable," she added.


22 posted on 03/21/2003 2:36:30 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Bad~Rodeo
That's what I was trying to figure out. I thought flight time would be longer, especially considering a refuel. How did you calculate it?

prisoner6

23 posted on 03/21/2003 2:42:58 AM PST by prisoner6 ( Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: Bad~Rodeo
I bet it'll be full dark by the time they run in.

Wonder what they're carrying? Probably more air-launched cruise missiles would be my guess, to supplement the Tomahawks that the RN and US Navy have been firing the past two nights.

}:-)4
24 posted on 03/21/2003 2:48:41 AM PST by Moose4 (Let's do the Tomahawk chop! OooooOOOOoooo *BOOM*)
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To: prisoner6
Plus are some nations denying flyover rights? That would add to flight time.
25 posted on 03/21/2003 2:50:47 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
That's right. I think the frogs are letting us flyover, but from there we'd have to come in from the west over Jordan. If they do arrive between 10-noon eastern time, it >would< be dark in Iraq when they arrive.

Instead of going home from work and going to bed, guess I'll stay up, pop some popcorn and wait to see what happens.

prisoner6

26 posted on 03/21/2003 2:58:01 AM PST by prisoner6 ( Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: UKCajun
Flying times estimated during the first night of the war UK to Baghdad was said to be 6-7 hours. I'd expect to see live coverage of explosions beginning 11-ish EST.

Then again, with the imploding of Iraq at the moment, "shock & awe" may not even be needed.

1 Marine officer KIA, 4 U.S. Marines and 8 Brits killed in helicopter crash. God bless our troops.

27 posted on 03/21/2003 3:05:17 AM PST by shezza (We will not tire, we will not falter, we will not fail.)
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To: prisoner6
oops, sorry. Oh just from previous reports of flight times.
28 posted on 03/21/2003 3:05:26 AM PST by Bad~Rodeo (Kick the Tires and Light the Fires)
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To: UKCajun
LOL! Now, now, you're being ugly. ;-)
29 posted on 03/21/2003 3:13:33 AM PST by FreedomPoster (This Space Intentionally Blank)
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To: goldstategop
likely the last thing they will see... and forever for them, will be rather short...
30 posted on 03/21/2003 3:24:27 AM PST by Robert_Paulson2 (What price treason?)
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Get in the hole Machmood!!! Get in the hole now!!!


31 posted on 03/21/2003 3:27:27 AM PST by spectr17
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To: UKCajun
I believe the B52s were placed RAF Fairford for the psychops aspects--the Airforce knowing full well the activities would be broadcast worldwide!!

good point!

they could have been put on diego garcia, and only have added 30 minutes to their flight time. further, they wouldn't need flyover rights, had they done so.

btw, BUFF's can fly over 8000 miles without refueling, and can essentially stay in the air as long as needed. some ops during GW1 put BUFF's in the air for 35 hours, flying to iraq from barksdale LA and back home.

they won't necessarily drop bombs in 6 hours. one order of shock and awe, we deliver... at a time of our choosing.

32 posted on 03/21/2003 3:28:34 AM PST by glock rocks (If you have to ask then it's not S and A)
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To: glock rocks
Let's git some...
33 posted on 03/21/2003 3:32:34 AM PST by baggadonuts (God Bless our Troops)
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Let's git some...

Yow! That's going to hurt...!

34 posted on 03/21/2003 3:43:08 AM PST by freebilly (I think they've misunderestimated us....)
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To: UKCajun
That ought to move surrender negotiatons forward.
35 posted on 03/21/2003 3:44:29 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Semper Paratus
Lesson 1 in Negotiation Skills:

1. B52s on the way.
2. Surrender or Die.
36 posted on 03/21/2003 3:48:55 AM PST by UKCajun
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To: Bad~Rodeo
IF this is Shock and Awe, flight time from Fairford to Baghdad is appx. 6 hours?....ETA is 10:15a central

One hour after sunset in Baghdad.

37 posted on 03/21/2003 3:50:21 AM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: spectr17
ROFLMAO...
38 posted on 03/21/2003 3:54:35 AM PST by Bad~Rodeo (Kick the Tires and Light the Fires)
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To: UKCajun
ARC Light strike. Gawd, just the vaccum from air alone being pulled from the target area kills people; US forces in Nam found many a VC/NVA just sitting in the positions they were in dead from the heat/sucking.... with no damange to their bodies.

They will not even know they died.

39 posted on 03/21/2003 4:03:17 AM PST by Jumper
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To: maquiladora
Damm, I was at work & I live in Fairford!
40 posted on 03/21/2003 4:21:35 AM PST by Bunny Brownie
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To: dennisw
Silly woman, I have lived in Fairford all my life & I think it's great that Fairford airbase has a part in this war.
41 posted on 03/21/2003 4:24:43 AM PST by Bunny Brownie
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To: UKCajun
You know how many times they've claimed B52s are leaving Fairford, and then a few hours later they say they were wrong and the B52s are still there?

I'm guessing we have some disinfo strategery going on.

42 posted on 03/21/2003 4:33:23 AM PST by Thane_Banquo
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To: Thane_Banquo
nope. live takeoff pics on competing networks. they're on their way.
43 posted on 03/21/2003 5:02:46 AM PST by glock rocks (If you have to ask then it's not S and A)
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To: Andy Ross
The same thing happened during Allied Force with the B-52H and the B-1Bs from RAF Fairford. The same also happened with the aircraft taking off from Italy. Like in Allied Force the B-52s can stand off and loiter. It's built into the planning. It's also a very good bit of psy ops. Likewise you might as well stop all the US reporters from broadcasting the images of all the armour going hell for leather to the outskirts of Baghdad. Although the Iraqi people aren't going to see it broadcast the Iraqi military planners are.
44 posted on 03/21/2003 5:10:54 AM PST by Tommyjo
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To: dennisw
huge grey jets roared low over the perimeter fence before opening parachutes on the runway -- the longest in Europe -- to help them rumble to a halt

"Drag chutes" is the correct term. I can't tell you how many times I and members of my squadron loaded drag chutes into '52s.

How do they do that? First, you need the drag chute packed. Luckily we didn't have that chore. Next, a panel truck brings it out to your aircraft, and three guys shove it out the back doors onto the ground. Hopefully this is done fairly close to the tail.

Second, you need a work stand - a BIG one. At Barksdale we used a special stand which fit around the fuselage where it extends beyond the tail and horizontal stabilizer. This stand also featured a winch. We had to winch the drag chute up 2 1/2 stories to get it into the "tub" where it fits (sort of fits - see below).

Third, you have to wrestle with the huge, bulky packed chute. It weighs about 200 pounds and is always lumpy. Plus it never fits in the "tub" without a lot of sweating, cursing, shoving, and pounding.

Don't forget to attach the release clip to the drogue!

Doesn't that sound like a fun way to relax?

45 posted on 03/21/2003 5:47:34 AM PST by petuniasevan (USAF B-52G crew chief Barksdale AFB 1984-1988)
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To: Irishguy
jesus -- if only they knew what is on the way...

Given the TV coverage, they know....

Arclight times 100......whoever's on the other end is just plain screwed.

46 posted on 03/21/2003 6:04:14 AM PST by stboz
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To: UKCajun
LMFAO
47 posted on 03/21/2003 6:14:15 AM PST by My Favorite Headache (Which one will lose? Depends on what I choose or maybe which voice...I ignore.)
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To: Andy Ross
I don't think that information like this should be broadcast in real-time. I'm disgusted that the BBC would do this.

Are you really so naive to think that the Iraqis don't have agents in place around the air bases monitoring departures and forwarding that info to their masters?

48 posted on 03/21/2003 6:14:21 AM PST by varon
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To: UKCajun

Air Combat Command's B-52 is a long-range, heavy bomber that can perform a variety of missions.

The bomber is capable of flying at high subsonic speeds at altitudes up to 50,000 feet (15,166.6 meters). It can carry nuclear or conventional ordnance with worldwide precision navigation capability. In a conventional conflict, the B-52 can perform air interdiction, offensive counter-air and maritime operations.

During Desert Storm, B-52s delivered 40 percent of all the weapons dropped by coalition forces. It is highly effective when used for ocean surveillance, and can assist the U.S. Navy in anti-ship and mine-laying operations.

Two B-52s, in two hours, can monitor 140,000 square miles (364,000 square kilometers) of ocean surface. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Steve Thurow)

49 posted on 03/21/2003 7:45:49 AM PST by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to)
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To: varon
You shouldn't volunteer an unsought opinion: you'll only embarass yourself when you discover how little it is valued by your listener.

I stand by the idea that our media should not monitor and expose military operations in such detailed fashion. The idea that the Iraqis are capable of such monitoring is immaterial. What it does mean, as a crude example, is that their personnel can go and monitor another location, safe in the knowledge that the BBC will do their job for them at Fairford.

Andrew
50 posted on 03/21/2003 9:43:28 AM PST by Andy Ross
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