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Anti-war protesters have no idea: refugee (Iraqi man speaks to australian newspaper)
sydney morning herald ^ | March 23, 2003 | Eamonn Duff

Posted on 03/22/2003 11:24:22 AM PST by anncoulteriscool

Anti-war protesters have no idea: refugee

By Eamonn Duff

March 23 2003

A Sydney Iraqi family has slammed ongoing Australian anti-war protests, saying demonstrators have no idea who or what they are campaigning for.

Dhafir Al-Shammery escaped certain death under Saddam Hussein's regime in 1996. Today he is one of several hundred Iraqis living in Sydney who now know what the term freedom truly means.

In an exclusive interview with The Sun-Herald, he said: "When I see thousands of Australians marching the streets on behalf of the Iraqi people, my heart sinks, because their view is not that of the Iraqi people.

"They [the protesters] say they are making a stand against the war because of human rights issues. They say it is the Iraqi people who will suffer most through this conflict.

"I speak out because they need to be told they are wrong. They need to support their country. They need to be told the truth - and that is that the Iraqi people have been suffering human rights crimes for decades.

"I am sorry, but these protesters cannot even imagine what has gone on there. Nobody would know unless they had lived and suffered it."

Mr Al-Shammery, 38, was one of the Shi'ite Muslim majority crushed by Saddam after the 1991 Gulf War.

When he saw his cousin executed, he fled with six other Iraqis on an open skiff, eight metres long and one metre wide, which for seven days battled two- to three-metre waves. He neither slept nor ate in that time. He simply sat with his knees pressed against his chest and prayed for a day when he would be free.

"I knew I had a 100 per cent chance of death if I stayed [in Iraq] but only a 90 per cent chance of death if I fled in a little boat," he said.

"So I chose the 10 per cent chance of life. Wouldn't you?"

Today he has found that freedom in Fairfield Heights, where he lives with his wife Natalia and his two sons, Mustafa, 6, and Noor, 12. Not only does he run successful security and export businesses, he lives in a street where families from numerous ethnic backgrounds all live in peace and harmony.

"The protesters need to understand that in Iraq, there is no freedom of expression ... not through speech or thought, nothing," he said.

"If you are not with him [Saddam], that means you are against him. A murmur of discontent to your neighbour across the fence can lead to your wife being executed. And then, the Government visits your home and makes you pay money for the bullet that killed her.

"They bring your dead wife, they show you how she was tortured before the bullet put her out of her misery. And if you refuse to pay for the bullet that killed her, they simply take more of your family."

Mr Al-Shammery added: "Cousins of mine disappeared many years ago without trace. We knew what happened to them but we didn't say we knew because you don't say anything to anyone. So we just carried on, suffering, keeping all thoughts to ourselves."

When Mr Al-Shammery arrived in Australia, he was sent to Villawood Detention Centre where he had to remain as an illegal for many months.

When he attempted, through the media, to inform the Australian public of the monstrosities he had fled from, his words somehow filtered back to Iraq.

"I am not sure how they received this information, but they headed straight for my family who were scattered between Najaf and Al Qadisiyah in southern Iraq," he said.

"They took my father but it was my brother who really suffered. They threw him in jail. They tortured him."

Mr Al-Shammery said he felt comfortable telling his story now because he believes America and its allies will finish the job they have started.

"I honestly believe that we will see the Coalition take over very quickly, because the people want this," he said.

"Everywhere in Iraq, they have prayed for this. There will not be any resistance. The army will not fight like [Saddam] thinks it will. I just hope that it can all be done with minimum civilian casualties."

Mr Al-Shammery said his only fear was that when Saddam Hussein realises his people have helped topple him, he may use the weapons of mass destruction the coalition is convinced he possesses.

"That is the concern and that is why they need to find him quickly," he said.

This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/03/22/1047749993344.html


TOPICS: Breaking News; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: america; australia; iraqi; iraqirefugees; war
A good story about a man from iraq who escaped to australia who now feels free to speak...its too bad everyy "war protester" cant read this.
1 posted on 03/22/2003 11:24:23 AM PST by anncoulteriscool
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To: anncoulteriscool
FOX should be interviwing the people who know what we're fighting against.
The American people need to hear this.
I find it disturbing our own left wing section of our government supports this type of ruler. Pray they never, ever, regain any power in Washington. Amen.
2 posted on 03/22/2003 11:29:20 AM PST by concerned about politics (Anti-American protestors are inbread liberal Notsosmartso's.)
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To: anncoulteriscool
"I speak out because they need to be told they are wrong. They need to support their country. They need to be told the truth - and that is that the Iraqi people have been suffering human rights crimes for decades.

Bump for the TRUTH!

3 posted on 03/22/2003 11:33:24 AM PST by Balata
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To: anncoulteriscool
I work with an Iraqi man who expressed a similar sentiment in response to the apeasement protesters in San Francisco. He made it a point to to tell me that these protesters are supporting Saddam regardless of their intentions.
4 posted on 03/22/2003 11:34:13 AM PST by Owl558
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To: concerned about politics
I have to wonder if it's just our area..all of our local news stations have been interviewing local iraqi's...all the same story... They'd be dead in Iraq...everyone hates saddam..etc.
5 posted on 03/22/2003 11:34:21 AM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: anncoulteriscool
Bump.
6 posted on 03/22/2003 11:35:01 AM PST by Rocko
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To: concerned about politics
Excellent article. Thank you for posting it.

Drudge has two articles on his site that I've sent to liberal appeasers. These articles are likely written by embedded journalists and are first-hand accounts of the Iraqi's tears of joy at being "saved".

Send them on to anyone you can think of to get the word out, because the mainstream press surely won't.

7 posted on 03/22/2003 11:35:16 AM PST by Peach
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To: Rocko
And bookmarked.
8 posted on 03/22/2003 11:35:21 AM PST by Rocko
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To: anncoulteriscool
Yes, it's too bad every war protester can't read. The ones I've seen on TV and in person here are definitely NOT the reading type - if you know what I mean.
9 posted on 03/22/2003 11:35:31 AM PST by Mrs. P (I didn't do it, no one saw me, you can't prove anything....)
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To: concerned about politics
I do not support "this type of ruler". However I do support other countries’ sovereign right to determine their own destiny without condescending, self-righteous outside influence.
10 posted on 03/22/2003 11:35:38 AM PST by apkubrick
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To: anncoulteriscool
But, of course, the RATS in the street hate Bush more than Hussein. They are vile, despicable peace pukes.
11 posted on 03/22/2003 11:36:10 AM PST by doug from upland (Protestors file Chapter 13 -- they are morally bankrupt)
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To: anncoulteriscool
"I knew I had a 100 per cent chance of death if I stayed [in Iraq] but only a 90 per cent chance of death if I fled in a little boat," he said. "So I chose the 10 per cent chance of life. Wouldn't you?"

Wow, powerful stuff.

12 posted on 03/22/2003 11:37:28 AM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: apkubrick
However I do support other countries’ sovereign right to determine their own destiny without condescending, self-righteous outside influence.

What is sovereign about the above description of life in Iraq? The only one with a choice is the butcher of Baghdad.

13 posted on 03/22/2003 11:39:11 AM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: apkubrick
I do not support "this type of ruler". However I do support other countries’ sovereign right to determine their own destiny without condescending, self-righteous outside influence.

Their tales of slow torture and killing made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got chewed up from foot to head."

14 posted on 03/22/2003 11:41:23 AM PST by concerned about politics (Anti-American protestors are inbread liberal Notsosmartso's.)
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To: Mrs. P
The ones I've seen on TV and in person here are definitely NOT the reading type - if you know what I mean.

Doesn't matter one way or the other. After all, we see what we look for. How many escapees from the USSR and Red China, telling their stories of horror, were breezily dismissed by "progressives" here in American, and the West.

15 posted on 03/22/2003 11:41:34 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it, but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: apkubrick
However I do support other countries’ sovereign right to determine their own destiny without condescending, self-righteous outside influence.

Who possesses the sovereign right, the people of Iraq or Saddam and his cohort of thugs?

16 posted on 03/22/2003 11:44:29 AM PST by Gee Wally
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To: anncoulteriscool
Even if an anti-war protester read this, I wouldn't expect it to make a difference. The anti-war crowd isn't objective. They tend to be idealistic utopians - if the facts get in the way of their ideals, they simply ignore them. Notice how selective they are in their outrage: How many anti-Saddam signs do you see in those crowds? How Many "Free Iraq" signs do you see? You'll see more 'Free Tibet" signs. They're out of touch with reality.

A quote I once came across sums it up well:
"If you want to make a conservative mad, tell a lie. If you want to make a liberal mad, tell the truth"
17 posted on 03/22/2003 11:45:06 AM PST by SolutionsOnly
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To: apkubrick
apkubrick signed up 2003-03-22.

Welcome!

18 posted on 03/22/2003 11:48:00 AM PST by jonno
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To: concerned about politics
Bump again.
19 posted on 03/22/2003 11:51:14 AM PST by Rocko
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To: apkubrick
If you saw someone killing a person .... you would not interfere if it was not your own family?

Do you not know these Iraqi could not remove this dictator? Do you not know anyone who tried, was killed in a awful manner?
20 posted on 03/22/2003 11:52:24 AM PST by frnewsjunkie
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To: Rocko
What does "bump" indicate?
21 posted on 03/22/2003 11:52:58 AM PST by apkubrick (Sorry, I don't know the lingo...)
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To: apkubrick
Welcome to Free Republic. We like to hear well-informed opinions that are not delivered by condescending, self-righteous people.
22 posted on 03/22/2003 11:54:34 AM PST by Gordian Blade
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To: anncoulteriscool
When he attempted, through the media, to inform the Australian public of the monstrosities he had fled from, his words somehow filtered back to Iraq

It is impossible to square this story with all the "useful idiot" peaceniks pukes that are really anarchists hiding behind peace activism. You only have to think back before 9/11. They were disrupting every international trade conference, they were fighting against that boogieman "globalization".

23 posted on 03/22/2003 11:56:39 AM PST by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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To: concerned about politics
"The American people need to hear this. "

Fox has had some interviews with people from Iraq who have vividly described some of the atrocities that go on there, and there have been articles published as well.

The problem is that, when confronted with these truths, the rabid left ascribe them to government propaganda and/or the vast oil conspiracy. The fact is that reason and proof are ineffective on people who have no reason.

24 posted on 03/22/2003 11:58:50 AM PST by Kerberos (Ah yes the liberal democrats, united as ever in opportunism and error. Tony Blair 3/18/03)
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To: Mister Baredog
Apologies.
I was attempting to illustrate the widespread interpretation of the US actions in the Middle East. I meant no offense.
25 posted on 03/22/2003 11:59:11 AM PST by apkubrick (Oops)
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To: anncoulteriscool
I recently sent this letter to one of our news papers "Public Opinion":

What Took You So Long?

As our troops moved towards the towns in Iraq, crowds of citizens who lived under a cruel regime swarmed our vehicles, thanking our troops for saving them from torture and death from Saddam. Many screamed, "What took you so long"?

Let's see, what did take us so long? The UN, France, liberal Democrat Senators, Code Pink, L.A. City council, Michael Moore and all of the other Hollywood wierdos just to name a few...the list goes on.

26 posted on 03/22/2003 12:03:15 PM PST by Mark (Treason doeth never prosper, for if it prosper, NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON.)
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To: apkubrick
I was attempting to illustrate the widespread interpretation of the US actions in the Middle East.

Really?

I do not support "this type of ruler". However I do support other countries’ sovereign right to determine their own destiny without condescending, self-righteous outside influence.

27 posted on 03/22/2003 12:05:06 PM PST by Jagdgewehr
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To: Jagdgewehr
I retract all statements made here today. I did not understand the purpose of this forum when I posted as I did. Semantics are not an interesting basis for discussion, in my opinion. I like to read your opinions from time to time. Some very valid points are made here.
This time I thought I might register and participate. Eek. I will return to lurk mode.
28 posted on 03/22/2003 12:10:43 PM PST by apkubrick (Oops)
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To: apkubrick
IRAQI SOLDIER CAPTURED WITH ANTHRAX & INSTRUCTIONS HOW TO KILL COALITION SOLDIERS
29 posted on 03/22/2003 12:18:21 PM PST by concerned about politics (Anti-American protestors are inbread liberal Notsosmartso's.)
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To: anncoulteriscool
Come on man, most liberals can only read at the 3rd grade level, newspapers are written at the 6th grade level. Also, liberals are usually hung-over or high, so their attention would be lost after the first two sentences even if they were literate. So, buy a liberal some beer or drugs and maybe they'll just go away.
30 posted on 03/22/2003 12:18:37 PM PST by Porterville (Screw the grammar, full posting ahead.)
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To: apkubrick
You'd learn a lot about yourself and the rest of the world if you stayed and participated. If what you said really reflects what you believe, then defend it.

If you can't defend it, and still believe it, then maybe you have some serious questions to ask yourself.
31 posted on 03/22/2003 12:19:38 PM PST by babyface00
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To: anncoulteriscool
I say let them speak,let the Iraqi people speak out about what Iraq is like. Talk shows should devote entire shows to have these people call in and tell their horror stories.
32 posted on 03/22/2003 12:22:09 PM PST by God is good (God Bless America)
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To: apkubrick
I do not support "this type of ruler". However I do support other countries’ sovereign right to determine their own destiny without condescending, self-righteous outside influence.

No you don't support people's sovereign, God-given rights. YOU SUPPORT A DICTATOR!! AND I AM VERY CLOSE TO CALLING YOU A ELITIST FASCIST ALSO!! LOOK AT LEARN AT THE IRAQI PEOPLE!! IRAQ BELONGS TO THE IRAQI PEOPLE!!! NOT TO SOME DICTATOR THAT YOU WANT TO KEEP IN CONTROL OF PEOPLE'S LIVES!! IF YOU LOVE YOUR DICTATORS SO MUCH, GET OUT OF THIS COUNTRY AND LIVE UNDER A DICTATORSHIP!!

33 posted on 03/22/2003 12:28:06 PM PST by God is good (God Bless America)
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To: apkubrick
Apologies.

I think you must be meaning to apologize to someone else, check your posts. No offense taken, welcome to FR, I'm pretty new myself.

34 posted on 03/22/2003 12:34:12 PM PST by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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To: anncoulteriscool
"...its too bad everyy "war protester" cant read this. "

The liberal press is complicit in the war protests. The press doesn't do real journalism and show the protestors who they are protesting for. By playing up the protests and advertising upcoming protests they fuel easy stories for their own monetary gain. Nevermind that it gives support to the terrorists.

35 posted on 03/22/2003 12:56:20 PM PST by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: anncoulteriscool
Add to my database of Iraqi-atrocities that are not understood, or ignored, by the anti-war/America protestors.
36 posted on 03/22/2003 12:57:43 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: doug from upland
But, of course, the RATS in the street hate Bush more than Hussein. They are vile, despicable peace pukes.

And they are just as insignificant as the UN. No one that matters is even listening to them. Most of these protesters are from the "blue" cities -- they don't count.

37 posted on 03/22/2003 1:02:28 PM PST by freeperfromnj
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
They are coming out of the woodwork now... they're not afraid to talk anymore, and they want their voices heard!!!
38 posted on 03/22/2003 1:03:34 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: apkubrick
Eek. I will return to lurk mode.

Hey, wait, don't go! We're not so bad, once you get to know us! ;-)

39 posted on 03/22/2003 1:08:05 PM PST by stands2reason
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To: anncoulteriscool
BTTT!
40 posted on 03/22/2003 2:33:37 PM PST by Right_in_Virginia (May God bless President Bush and our troops)
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To: anncoulteriscool
* * 288,000,000 American Citizens are not protesting the war, including this Iraqi-American woman.

*Click here to Iraqi Woman prayer answered *

http://images.radcity.net/5149/359372.mp3

******


Now you know the rest of the story, why this woman is praying for Mr Bush.

* *

41 posted on 03/22/2003 2:53:50 PM PST by CHICAGOFARMER (Citizen Carry)
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To: anncoulteriscool
He was payed off by the BFEE!!!

- typical DUhh! poster
42 posted on 03/22/2003 2:57:37 PM PST by Connservative
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To: anncoulteriscool
Great post. If only the anti-war protesters would take the time to read a little.
43 posted on 03/22/2003 3:05:19 PM PST by Rocky
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To: stands2reason
Awesome!! That's exactly what is needed..
44 posted on 03/22/2003 4:04:38 PM PST by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: apkubrick
Please don't go into the lurker mode. Granted, it's a 'safer' place to be, but you will learn more and get further ahead, if you stick it out in 'arguing/discussing' your thoughts/ideas here.

It seems that you are genuinely trying to understand things that are going AGAINST what you've 'always thought/believed'. And in spite of what you may see here, not everyone is BORN a FReeper, or understanding of what 'we' represent.

If you 'dare', explain what YOU consider as 'sovereignity'.

There's so much MORE than can be said. But what you read here are not simply opinions. They are beliefs. Beliefs that HAVE worked. Beliefs that come out of a country that KNOWS where such beliefs COME from. Beliefs that come from NO man, NO country, NO set of laws. HE is sovereign. And no matter the name you call Him by, it is what 'we' wish for others to know the freedom of.

Semantics?

You are most welcome to 'FReep mail' me if you don't feel comfortable discussing things here.

45 posted on 03/22/2003 5:33:06 PM PST by mommadooo3
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To: anncoulteriscool
They would not nkow the truth, they will not know the truth, because they will not the truth. They have chosen to believe a lie while knowing the truth... sounds biblical doesn't it...
46 posted on 03/22/2003 5:37:13 PM PST by Godfollow
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To: Kerberos
RE #24

They really think that every such story is a fabrication like Kuwaiti incubator story in Gulf War I.

To them, everything is a smear unless it is against their enemy, such as Bush or their favorite villains of the past decade, Serbs. Their mindset is as deluded as Jihadis. Maybe that is why they both get along so well.

I really hope that they will uncover mountains of evidence about Iraq's WMD and their connections to Jihadis of all stripe including Al Qaeda. When they come out, I will hurl them against faces of so-called leftie peace-lovers, making Chamerlain out of them.

47 posted on 03/22/2003 7:07:19 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Britton J Wingfield
ping
48 posted on 03/22/2003 8:02:36 PM PST by cateizgr8
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To: mommadooo3
Nice to make your aquaintance, Mommadooo3!
Well, I hate to smack of early 20th century isolationism, but is it a good idea for the United States to obligate itself to "liberating" every nation not operating under the pluralist democratic system? I don't think this approach will endear us to the world as a whole. Nor does it benefit anyone economically. Has the Monroe doctrine been completely abandoned? Some folks around the world see the US as practicing neo-neo-imperialism. I'm concerned for the country AND the world.

49 posted on 03/22/2003 8:36:54 PM PST by apkubrick (Oops)
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