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(Informative!) Soldier suspected of deadly grenade attack had California ties
RENO ^ | 3/23/2003 11:30 pm | Associated Press

Posted on 03/24/2003 5:44:49 AM PST by dennisw

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:36:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The soldier being held in a deadly grenade attack on a 101st Airborne Division command center in Kuwait spent much of his youth in California and was described by family and friends Sunday as a brilliant student and mild-mannered practicing Muslim.


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1 posted on 03/24/2003 5:44:49 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
this piece of garbage, was in my sons unit but not his camp. Not only do they have to worry about the known enemy but someone who has trained with them and sleeps in there tent. I have one word for you....piss off
2 posted on 03/24/2003 5:47:37 AM PST by boxerblues (God bless the 101st and keep them safe)
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To: dennisw
This guy is practically sprouting red-flags out his ears. Shame he made it through the recruiting process.
3 posted on 03/24/2003 5:48:42 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: dennisw
I wish they'd save it for the eulogy.
4 posted on 03/24/2003 5:49:28 AM PST by Crowcreek
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To: dennisw
"Akbar, who spelled his name Hasan but was identified by the military as Asan"

I spell it a-h*le.

5 posted on 03/24/2003 5:50:31 AM PST by sd-joe
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Someone in the Army ought to have their head examined. Any recruit who changes his name from Cool to Akbar needs to be watched very carefully.
6 posted on 03/24/2003 5:51:46 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: dennisw

 

http://www.wbir.com/News/news.asp?ID=11794

 

MOTHER DOESN'T BELIEVE SOLDIER WOULD TURN ON HIS PEERS
The mother of a soldier being held for an attack on his own commanders in Kuwait told The Tennessean newspaper she doesn't believe he'd kill anyone.

Sergeant Asa Akbar hasn't been charged yet, but Army authorities have identified him as the suspect in grenade attacks on the 101st Airborne Division.

Captain Christopher Seifert of Easton, Pennsylvania was killed and at least 15 injured after grenades were thrown into three tents.

Quran Bilal of Baton Rouge, Louisiana, told the newspaper in a story published today on its Web site that Akbar had expressed concern about being a Muslim in the Army. And she fears that he is being accused now because of his faith.

Akbar was born Mark Kools, but his mother changed his name when he was a boy after she remarried. He apparently has used both names in the Army.
 

 


 

http://www.suntimes.com/output/iraq/cst-nws-101st24.html  (EXCERPT ONLY!!!)

 

Mom defends GI son suspected in Kuwait attack
March 24, 2003

BY IAN DEMSKY AND LEON ALLIGOOD

Quran Bilal (yep, that's his mama's name) said Sunday that no one in the military had informed her of the accusations against her son. In a phone interview from her home in Baton Rouge, La., she said she thinks her son has been accused simply because he is a Muslim.

Akbar was born Mark Fidel Kools. His mother changed his name to Hasan Akbar after she remarried, when he was a boy. Akbar began using his original name when he entered the Army. His mother said Akbar was not accepted into the Army with his Muslim name because he could not produce a birth certificate.

Public records showed listings for Akbar under the name Kools as well.

Bilal said she was very proud of her son and couldn't understand how the reports could possibly pertain to him. ''He wouldn't try to take nobody's life," she said.

He expressed his concerns about being a Muslim in the Army to his mother in the past.

''He said, 'Mama, when I get over there, I have the feeling they are going to arrest me just because of the name that I have carried.'"

Akbar did not participate in the first Persian Gulf War because his religion created a ''conflict of interest,'' she said.

Abdul Karim Hasan, the imam at the Bilal Islamic Center in Los Angeles that Akbar and his family used to attend, described Akbar as a ''quiet, mild-type person."

The imam said he had known Akbar from his youth through his college days.

''I would have to see him do that in order to believe it,'' Abdul Karim Hasan said of the man he hadn't seen in about a decade. ''I don't see it in his character. A guy's character follows him throughout his life. I don't see how he could change that drastically.

 

 


7 posted on 03/24/2003 5:55:57 AM PST by dennisw
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
Some accounts say his mother went Muslim and changed his name to Assan Akbar.
8 posted on 03/24/2003 5:57:09 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
how ironic... seeing as he joined the military and all. shows how well he let his (woman) mother know him, and how ignorant the islamic fundamentalists want women.
9 posted on 03/24/2003 5:59:39 AM PST by MacDorcha
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To: dennisw
"Quran Bilal (yep, that's his mama's name) said Sunday that no one in the military had informed her of the accusations against her son. In a phone interview from her home in Baton Rouge, La., she said she thinks her son has been accused simply because he is a Muslim.

Akbar was born Mark Fidel Kools. His mother changed his name to Hasan Akbar after she remarried, when he was a boy."

This poor guy should sue his mama. What kind of American names her kid, "Fidel"???
10 posted on 03/24/2003 6:01:16 AM PST by Darnright
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To: dennisw
HANG the son of a bit*h from his neck until he is DEAD!
11 posted on 03/24/2003 6:02:04 AM PST by Spruce
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To: dennisw
Have there been any reports or information about just WHEN he joined the military? If information is accurate as to what he said after being arrested, it doesn't sound like your typical "resentment" a subordinate might have for his superior. It sounds more like "resentment" based on "religious grounds."

Ah yes, Islam...."Religion of Peace."

12 posted on 03/24/2003 6:03:10 AM PST by nfldgirl
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To: Tijeras_Slim
"This guy is practically sprouting red-flags out his ears. Shame he made it through the recruiting process."

You can thank Political Correctness and its demand for "diversity." That philosophy has sown the seeds for more strife and tragedy than almost anything else in America's history. Cataloguing Americans into specific interest groups, with special favors and preferences (which is what PC and the "diversity" movement are all about), makes a mockey of the American credo "E Pluribus Unum (From Many, One)." Rather, it has tortured that credo to one stating the exact opposite: "E Unum Pluribus (From One, Many)." America's greatness has been its unity as ONE people, made up of many individuals of wide and varied heritage whose common bond was their desire to BE an American. Political Correctness and its "diversity" abomination insists on just the opposite.
13 posted on 03/24/2003 6:04:45 AM PST by ought-six
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To: Darnright
Well let's see, act bizarre for days fussing about what the attacking force is going to do to "his fellow Muslims," then turn up wounded and the only one missing (cowering in a bunker) after the grenade incident... doesn't take a rocket scientist to put this one together.
14 posted on 03/24/2003 6:05:24 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (O Columbia... Thy banners make tyranny tremble... when borne by the red, white and blue)
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To: dennisw; Grampa Dave
Any more information on this "Bilal Mosque" that Akbar belonged to? It seems to be mostly black American converts, or at any rate, it appears to be so based upon the "pre-Muslim" names of some of the members who have been interviewed in various sources. Is it al Fuqra?
15 posted on 03/24/2003 6:07:00 AM PST by livius
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To: ought-six
Actually, "E Unum Pluribus," means the same thing as "E Pluribus Unum."

Latin uses the case of the noun to indicate its relationship to the preposition.

Pluribus is the ablative case of the adjective that means "many". "E" is a preposition that takes the ablative case. "Unum" is the accusative (objective)case of the noun that means "one". A transitive verb (in this case the understood verb meaning "comes") takes the accusative case.

Therefore, you can say, "Pluribus Unum E," and it will mean "Out of many comes one." This might not be pretty Latin, but I think you get my point.

All you Latin scholars out there, please don't nitpick this. It has been 35 years since I have tried to translate Latin. That's why I can't remember the root of "pluribus."

16 posted on 03/24/2003 6:19:17 AM PST by HIDEK6
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To: dennisw
"He said, Mama, when I get over there I have the feeling they are going to arrest me just because of the name that I have carried."

They're trying the make HIM the victim.

17 posted on 03/24/2003 6:22:20 AM PST by Hildy
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To: dennisw
Akbar has been identified as the suspect in the attack, but has not been charged. The grenade and automatic weapon attack early Sunday left one soldier dead and 15 wounded.

The military need to try him and hang him immediately. Does anyone know the procedure with this?

18 posted on 03/24/2003 6:24:21 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: dennisw
If there had not been reporters there this guy would have been shot, no doubt.
19 posted on 03/24/2003 6:25:38 AM PST by holdmuhbeer
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To: dennisw
I can't believe that hippy paradise UC Davis has one of the largest ROTC programs in the country. Whodathunkit?
20 posted on 03/24/2003 6:26:05 AM PST by Future Snake Eater
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To: dennisw
What the f#&k does "had California ties" mean or have to do with anything?
21 posted on 03/24/2003 6:27:53 AM PST by lewislynn
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To: dd5339; cavtrooper21
ping
22 posted on 03/24/2003 6:30:31 AM PST by Vic3O3 (Texan-to-be...at least there's CCW!)
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To: dennisw
From the piece:

"''I would have to see him do that in order to believe it,'' Abdul Karim Hasan said of the man he hadn't seen in about a decade. ''I don't see it in his character. A guy's character follows him throughout his life. I don't see how he could change that drastically."

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I thought character didn't matter....I'll bet somebody a day's pay...that Abdul Karim Hasan...voted for SickSlick.

FRegards,

23 posted on 03/24/2003 6:31:23 AM PST by Osage Orange (Tony Blair: "Ah yes, liberal democrats unified as ever in opportunism and in error")
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To: Mean Maryjean
Have there been any reports or information about just WHEN he joined the military?

Other reports said he signed up in 1998.

Anybody else think it's strange that a man with a double degree in two different engineering fields would enlist in the military? A person with those credentials could probably secure a $100,000+/year job most anywhere in the U.S.

I know some people, not motivated by financial success, are drawn to the service out of a sense of duty to their country, but it's clear Akbar had no love for his country.

I hope someone takes a good look at this bank account to see if he was being "subsidized"..

24 posted on 03/24/2003 6:31:53 AM PST by randita
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To: livius
Any more information on this "Bilal Mosque" that Akbar belonged to? It seems to be mostly black American converts.........

 

Bilal Islamic Center 4016 S. Central Ave. LOS ANGELES 90011

Tel: (213) 233-7274 ; Fax: (213) 233-9739

Is this a black area of LA? South Central?

25 posted on 03/24/2003 6:32:39 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
"Akbar's mother said her son was a straight-A student and a"half-genius."But she said her son had expressed concerns about being a Muslim in the Army. "He said, Mama, when I get over there I have the feeling they are going to arrest me just because of the name that I have carried." "

Here we go again ... the murdered who is a martyr in the name of islam.

26 posted on 03/24/2003 6:34:26 AM PST by nmh
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To: livius
I'm sure that the Mosque is NOI, and al Fuqra members were recruited and welcomed in this mosque.

It will take people outside of the media to follow this guy's past.
27 posted on 03/24/2003 6:37:46 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: boxerblues
."He's not like that. He said the only thing he was going out there to do was blow up the bridges."

Depends on the meaning of blow up...maybe he meant "burn" his bridges.

28 posted on 03/24/2003 6:37:52 AM PST by Katya
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To: lewislynn
I think it is just a statement of fact.
29 posted on 03/24/2003 6:38:58 AM PST by leadpenny (OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM)
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To: randita
Anybody else think it's strange that a man with a double degree in two different engineering fields would enlist in the military? A person with those credentials could probably secure a $100,000+/year job most anywhere in the U.S.

I'm thinking "Attitude Problem". Companies probably didn't want to touch this lawsuit in the making.

30 posted on 03/24/2003 6:39:53 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: dennisw
Thanks for posting this. As you know this is not the first time that has happened to American Troops in Iraq.

The first time was in Desert Storm. The man who tried to kill his peers was John Allen Williams, aka John Allen Mohammad, the DC sniper. "...[John Muhammad] Williams’s unit was sent to Operation Desert Storm to clear mines and bulldoze holes in enemy lines. A few nights before the invasion of Iraq, Sergeant Berentson awoke in the early hours to find his tent, with 16 sleeping men inside, on fire. Someone had tossed in a thermite grenade. Berentson, who was fed up with Williams’s insubordination, immediately suspected Williams and told the Army’s Criminal Investigative Division. Berentson says he last saw Williams being led away in handcuffs. Williams’s military records make no mention of the incident; indeed, they suggest Williams had a distinguished gulf-war stint. But Berentson always kept Williams’s name and dog-tag number in his wallet. He says he was not surprised to see Williams’s face on television..."

31 posted on 03/24/2003 6:40:19 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: Grampa Dave
I wonder why we have not heard much from Calypso Louie since 9-11? Could it be that he thinks his organization has been infiltrated by undercover feds?

I hope so.

32 posted on 03/24/2003 6:42:43 AM PST by leadpenny (OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM)
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To: ought-six
Abdul Karim Hasan, the imam at the Bilal Islamic Center in Los Angeles that Akbar and his family used to attend, described Akbar as a ''quiet, mild-type person."

So, what lesson is your average Joe to take from this incident? That even you most mild-mannered Muslim is a ticking time bomb who may at any moment lob grenades at his sleeping comrades and open up on them with an M-16? Is that really the lesson that Abdul Karim Hasan wants us to learn here?

RE: "E Unum Pluribus (From One, Many)."

During the 2000 Campaign, Algore used the national motto E Pluribus Unum, and went on at great length about how it meant, "From One, Many", and how it was actually a statment of the value of diversity. He completely stood the motto on it's head. And (a tiny bit over) half the US voted for this guy. Thank the Founders for the Electoral College!

33 posted on 03/24/2003 6:43:51 AM PST by gridlock (This tag line is printed with soy-based electrons on 100% post-consumer recycled ether)
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To: dennisw
Sorry, mama, he CONFESSED
34 posted on 03/24/2003 6:47:38 AM PST by SendShaqtoIraq
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To: dennisw
And who goes around naming their son w/ a middle name of "FIDEL" if they are not Cuban or otherwise Latino (Unless from a Marxist, anti-USA family in the first place?) This was like the middle name for one of the Islamofascists busted in Portland: "Lumumba" for "Patrice Lumumba"--revolutionary communist.

Black Americans in the military going over to radical islam, and then working as fifth column INSIDE our military is something we had better wake up on. This is the third such high level case I know of.

35 posted on 03/24/2003 6:48:37 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (JapanTV showed report on Kim Jong il. He watches CNN regularly. Imagine his thoughts watching Iraq!)
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To: dennisw
From the Uniform Code of Military Justice:

Art. 106a ESPIONAGE

(c) A sentence of death may be adjudged by a court-martial for an offense under this section (article) only if the members unanimously find, beyond a reasonable doubt, one or more of the following aggravating factors:

(1) The accused has been convicted of another offense involving espionage or treason for which either a sentence of death or imprisonment for life was authorized by statute.

In other words one Marlboro, one blindfold.
36 posted on 03/24/2003 6:55:19 AM PST by Beck_isright (UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER ONLY NO MORE NEGOTIATIONS)
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To: sd-joe
I spell it a-h*le.

Any kin to the Senate Minority Leader Teensy Tom D'asshole?

38 posted on 03/24/2003 7:02:41 AM PST by Ole Okie
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To: dennisw
The guy this puke killed was a "nice guy" too. From the Times-Express:

Capt. Christopher Scott Seifert, 27, of the Army's 101st Airborne Division died when live grenades were tossed into tents at the division's command center, an Army spokesman said.

News of Seifert's death spread quickly Sunday night throughout the Wilson Area School District -- where he ran cross country in high school and played saxophone in the jazz band -- and Bethlehem, where he majored in history at Moravian College.

"All I remember about Chris Seifert is he was just a fantastic kid," said Bill Curnow, who directed the Wilson Area High School Band while Seifert was a member.

"He was an outstanding student, a really, really great kid. He was band president and well-liked by all his peers."

Family members gathered to mourn Sunday afternoon at the home of Seifert's parents, Helen and Thomas Seifert, on Buttermilk Road. They declined to speak to the media.

John Ahern, a cousin of Seifert's through marriage, met visitors in the family's front yard and released a statement:

"The family is obviously devastated by the loss and appreciates all the support of family and friends, and would ask the media to allow them to mourn their loss in private.

39 posted on 03/24/2003 7:02:46 AM PST by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: leadpenny
I think it is just a statement of fact.

I think it's a negative connotation. I think it's akin to saying he has muslim ties....also a more relevant statement of fact, not to mention a more fitting headline.

40 posted on 03/24/2003 7:03:50 AM PST by lewislynn
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To: leadpenny
Calypso Louie hasn't made many trips to the Middle East to personally pick up the vast sums of Opecker Blood Money to keep his NOI Mosques open.

If and when we as Americans get the funding data from the Opecker Thugs like Saddam and the murdering mullahs of Iran, which enabled the Black Muslims to open and keep open centers of hate. We will see some appalling data and dots being collected.

Every major prison in America has Black Muslim Chaplins recruiting the worse of the worse in the prisons. Those Chaplins are paid for with our tax $'s. The night we heard of this grenade attack, a former secretary of one of the military branches said that a large # of Muslim Chaplins in the Army were Wahhabi Muslims. Wahhabis might make Calypso Louie look like a moderate.

The good news is that by seizing control of the oil stations in Iraq, the funds sent by the thugs of Iraq to the Black Muslims is gone. After we or the good people in Iraq whack the top 50 Murdering Mullans in charge of that country, even more money for the Black Muslims will disappear.

Stop our state and federal tax $'s from being used to pay Black Muslim Chaplins to recruit and preach hate America in our prisons will have even more of reduction of these Jihads in America.

After we stopped the Charter School Money for the al Fuqra training camp near Fresno, California, it closed up. It is no longer used as a training ground to train al Fuqras to kill and hate Americans.
41 posted on 03/24/2003 7:04:51 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: dennisw
I hate to say it, but this guy sounds like a classic affirmative action case. 1988 to 1997 to get two highly technical degrees from the University of California because he kept dropping out and being re-admitted?

I don't know ... maybe that's normal in California nowdays.

42 posted on 03/24/2003 7:05:23 AM PST by templar
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To: dennisw
Just keep clicking your red shoes together and repeating "diversity is our strength".
43 posted on 03/24/2003 7:08:47 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: livius; Grampa Dave

Good LA Times article on Bilal Islamic Center (An except, go to URLs for complete story)

http://www.latimes.com/features/lifestyle/la-013002muslims.story

http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:KTRKEQDVVQgC:www.latimes.com/
features/lifestyle/la-013002muslims.story+%22Bilal+Islamic+Center%22++&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

 

Since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, such differences have taken on new significance. Ironically, the increasing attention on Muslims in America has left many African American Muslims feeling marginalized. "We share the faith with immigrant Muslims, but not much else," says Abdul Karim Hasan, (Hasan seems to be Black American)  Bilal's director. "For African American Muslims, the priorities are economic justice, education and service to humanity at the street level in our country. We don't make decisions based on what is good for Pakistan, Afghanistan or the Middle East."

Indeed, after the service, there was a call for volunteers to help at a Skid Row shelter and for recruits to teach Islam to women in prison. There was also an update on legendary boxer Muhammad Ali, who has not yet announced whether he will accept an invitation to represent American Muslims in a public service video to be distributed in the Middle East as part of Hollywood's response to terrorism.

Founded in the early '50s, the Bilal Center offers a clear example of ways that African American Muslims blend their religious convictions with their mission to the community around them. Hasan, who was honored by the Los Angeles City Council last fall for his years of service to the community, says African Americans proved themselves long ago to be good Muslims and good Americans. They are accepted around the world as members of the faith, he says, but since the terrorist attacks on the U.S., Islam in America has become synonymous with Arab Muslims, and he believes people curious about the faith are getting the wrong impression.

 
 Photos
 
A ring connotes the faith.
 
A ring connotes the faith.
(CLARENCE WILLIAMS / Los Angeles Times)
 
Congregants at Bilal
 
Congregants at Bilal
(CLARENCE WILLIAMS / Los Angeles Times)

44 posted on 03/24/2003 7:14:54 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw
Middle name of "Fidel"????? Flag there somewhere.
45 posted on 03/24/2003 7:15:12 AM PST by cynicom
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To: dennisw
Thanks for the links.
46 posted on 03/24/2003 7:17:55 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Here's one more:

http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:cnljMZnyLL8C:www.pluralism.org/
news/index.php%3Fxref%3DMuslims%2BReach%2BOut+%22Abdul+Karim+Hasan%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

 

Voices of African American Muslims After September 11
Follow this story: In the Wake of September 11  

• On January 30, 2002, The Los Angeles Times featured the story "One Faith, Two Minds; Feeling snubbed by Muslim immigrants who are defining the faith for the U.S. public, African American Muslims are calling attention to the way they, too, practice their beliefs." The article reported, "the increasing attention on Muslims in America has left many African American Muslims feeling marginalized. ... 'Those who are making the most noise right now aren't speaking for all Muslims... When it comes to how Islam is actually practiced here, we African American Muslims know more about it than anyone,'" says Abdul Karim Hasan, director of L.A.'s Bilal Center. The article continued, "'African Americans prove that Islam is not antithetical to democracy or to America,' says Imam Faheem Shuaibe, director of the predominantly African American Masjidul Waritheen ... He says Sept. 11 'put the conversation on the table' for all American Muslims. His side of the conversation comes down to this: 'When you're presenting a message about Islam in America, don't exclude me. African American Muslims have led the way at integrating Muslims into American society.'"
(January 30, 2002, The Los Angeles Times, Online)
Read the full story

(Link is dead)

47 posted on 03/24/2003 7:25:15 AM PST by dennisw
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To: cynicom
Re the name Fidel. Many of the super dysfunctional families which have become NOI/Black Muslims came from the Black Panthers. They often named their children after anti Americans like Fidel or butchers like Patrice Lubooma (Spelling). One of the Portland 6 al Qaedas came from a Black Panther family and was named after the African Butcher.
48 posted on 03/24/2003 7:30:47 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: Grampa Dave
Time will tell if indeed there was hate for America, long before his Muslim ties. I suspicion the hatred has been there a long time.
49 posted on 03/24/2003 7:35:40 AM PST by cynicom
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To: dennisw
Thanks!
50 posted on 03/24/2003 7:36:05 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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