Will American Administration Declare War on Russia?

Pravda ^ | 3/24/3 | Vasily Buslayev

[steveegg]

I know. I think that the decision time wouldn't be very long, probably on the order of 15 minutes.

[Michael81Dus]

Absolutely. It´s all a matter of information. And here in Europe, you must think a lot and inform yourself not only by european media to support that war. People are all manipulated, I see it all the day. Whenever I remind them what Saddam has done, they re-think about their views and say "well, I didn´t consider that, maybe this war is justified, after all?"

[Stavka2]

Yeah, I'm sure you'll be leading the charge...right after your mommy picks you up from elementry school. Thank God adults run the countries.

[americanbychoice]

Yes, I agree. Shovel enough shit against a wall and something will stick. The media in Germany is mostly left, unfortunately. I enjoy reading the FAZ, who is more objective on things. Die Welt is also better. Der Spiegel is atrocious. The Bild is mostly pro American, surprise :)
ARD, ZDF do nothing to further an objective view either. The cable channels are somewhat better. Fischer, like his Boss are a danger to Germany. It will take years to repair the damage done, unfortunately. I have to go to Germany on the 2. of May again to bring my SPD Mother to Florida :)

[jpl]

Billions upon billions? Where do you people get this myth? First, most of the money that was promised never passed Congress, blah blah blah

Who the hell do you think you're kidding? Although the aid has admittedly been reduced in the last couple of years, during the Clinton-Gore administration the loans alone totalled 22 billion dollars. And that doesn't even include the monetary aid and food aid that is a routine part of the American annual budget (150 million dollars last year alone). And just who was it exactly that laundered significant chunks of that loan money through Bank of New York? Russia mafiosos, old communist party apparatchiks, and even some members of the Yeltsin family, that's who.

Russia's economy may be doing pretty well now, but it would never have happened without American good will and taxpayer dollars. And this is the thanks that we get. The next time your economy goes into a downward spiral, you just might not find us so charitable.

[Michael81Dus]

I fully agree with you. The FAZ is good for people who have time to read, I like die Welt more. Die Bild newspaper journalists have to sign a declaration before they´re employed, in which they promise to strengthen the transatlantic partnership, that´s why they´re pro-US.

The good old Springer-media. :-)

[Stavka2]

First, read what you've said: loans, Russia's present debt to earnings ratio is .35, in other words, foreign and domestic debt is being repaid well ahead of all schedules and the IMF was kicked out 3 years ago. Secondly, the Klinton administration used that money to buy out Yeltsin and company, knowing none of that money would go to the "official" recieptents...they counted on that. All that left the Russian people with was a debt burden they got no benefit from. You do realize that Russia is an exporter of wheat, right? It exports to Iran, China, and many countries in Africa and several Russian companies were approached about selling wheat to DC to give to the Iraqies. So the food aid might go as charity to orphanages or some such but the general population has more then enough to eat. Go to Russia and go into a village store,there is more selection there then in the US, they get Russian, European and American goods to choose from.

Russia's economy has nothing to do with America. America is one of the smallest investors in Russia, I believe there is one major auto plant: Jeep and a few small plants like Coca Cola. Germany invested, note invested not gave bogus loans to a corrupt Yeltsin regime, over $10 billion dollars into Russian industry. Most US industry that came in before '98 was in speculation and extraction and did not invest into perminent infrastructure.

Furthermore, adjusted for Purchasing Power Parity, the Russian economy is $1.2 trillion, just behind Italy. Or in other words, presently the 10th largest and one of the fastest growing economies of the West. Go look it up on the CIA Factbook, 2002 Russia, since I know you don't believe me.

[Stavka2]

Yes, its all the fault of the Russians for the laundering, that's why Congress didn't want to touch the case. We Russians are such born geniuses that our people came out of economic isolation in '91 understanding all Western capital systems better then the Americans...either that, or there was plenty of American and W. European business interest ready to help pillage Russia and to embezzel tons of IMF funds...your choice which one.

[jpl]

You're killing me dude. Even the New York Times, which politically is almost as far to the left as Pravda, knows that in the end, the onus is on you guys to reform your own system.

http://www.cdi.org/russia/johnson/3495.html##6

To be fair, Clinton and Gore bear a large measure of the blame as well. They were more interested in propping up that drunken old crook Yeltsin than they were in calling for real accountability. It was also their idea to bomb the hell out of Serbia and remove Milosevic. President Bush had nothing to do with any of that, so I don't what justifies Putin stabbing him in the back. There's still plenty of corrupt, murderous dictators in the world that would be more than happy to buy Russia's crappy war materiel.

[Stavka2]

Putin did not stab Bush in the back. Putin is an elected official who is responsible for looking out for the best interests of his electrit, as all elected officials are supposed to do. If the russian public does not agree with the war, he is responsible for executing their wishs, which he is. The Eastern Euros are kissing up for cash and promises of bases, which will bring cash, the majority of their public is against this...which means they are corrupt and do not represent their people.

No one asked the US or any other country to rebuild Russia or change the system, that is being done now. Klintoon created a much worse problem in Russia by supporting the Yeltsin mafia. But I will remind you that the congress that slapped the Bank of NY's hand was Republican.

[jpl]

Putin did not stab Bush in the back.

Right. I'm sure Bush would have invited Putin to the ranch in Crawford and backslapped him if he had known that the old spook was not only going to vote against us, but actively support the mustachioed murderer with war supplies and then brazenly lie about it. I'll give Vlad credit for completely snookering Bush, but believe me when I tell you: that most assuredly won't happen again. He violated Bush's #1 rule, which is to never lie to him. Not only won't Putin ever get invited back to the ranch again, but now he's going to get completely frozen out of postwar Iraq. Like I said before, he's just going to have to find some other stupid generalissimo to buy his worthless junk.

[snooker]

At least they didn't mention the ten nukes that Irqais set off on the US troops. Maybe that is tomorrows BS dump.

Shows Russia is still Soviet, only smaller.

snooker

[Stavka2]

Hmm, lets see, the State Department has continued to meet with the Chechin terrorists even after Moscow...that's not a stab in the back? Oh, I get it, one man's terrorist is another man's useful tool. Nor has Bush helped Russia with WTO membership as promised. Nor has Bush done anything to help with the Saudies sponsoring the Chechins. Now NATO is breaking another promise by the US announcing plans to move bases to Russia's borders. The oil investments have not materialized either. The counter pipelines are still going. So what has Russia gotten for its consetions? Except being treated like trailertrash? You get back what you put in and so far Bush has put in a lot of empty promises...he got them back.

[chilepepper]

Learn ther history. They always was under wing of big state. One or another. They want to sell thier alligance. US pays they serve.

You seriously think that Poland would side with Germany, whose Wehrmacht brutally invaded from the West, or with Russia, author of the Katyn Forest massacre, which made a secret deal with Germany and brutally invaded from the East, later to run Poland as colony for 40 years, then you should stop drinking Vodka.

Poland looks at the actions of the imperious Chiraq and the Marxist sympathizer Schroeder, and wonders if it didn't escape Soviet colonization only to succumb to colonization in the EU controlled by Germany and the treacherous French...

Poland knows its real friends when it meets them, friends which can be relied on.

Interesting that Japan should be so adamantly Pro-US in the face of the North Korean nuclear puppet...

[chilepepper]

Learn ther history. They always was under wing of big state. One or another. They want to sell thier alligance. US pays they serve.

You seriously think that Poland would side with Germany, whose Wehrmacht brutally invaded from the West, or with Russia, author of the Katyn Forest massacre, which made a secret deal with Germany and brutally invaded from the East, later to run Poland as colony for 40 years, then you should stop drinking Vodka.

Poland looks at the actions of the imperious Chiraq and the Marxist sympathizer Schroeder, and wonders if it didn't escape Soviet colonization only to succumb to colonization in the EU controlled by Germany and the treacherous French...

Poland knows its real friends when it meets them, friends which can be relied on.

Interesting that Japan should be so adamantly Pro-US in the face of the North Korean nuclear puppet...

[Liberator]

"All we'd have to do would be to quit doing stupid things like supporting the chechen terrorists and the KLA."

We'd be better off supporting only those factions in the world whose values and/or potential values mirror those of an American democracy.

Adhering to this criteria, America has a very short "support" list to be concerned with.

[Liberator]

"A shame too when you consider the billions and billions of dollars we've given them to prop up their economy. I think it'll be a cold day in hell before we do that again."

If we're going to send billions in aid bribing money to foreign leaders to "behave," let's at least make sure were getting our money's worth.

N. Korea, Russia, and Turkey have ALL shoved it up our wazoo recently...

Let's cut 'em off completely and use the money to covertly infiltrate these SOBs.