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The Democrats' Michael Moore Problem
Laura Ingraham's E-Blast | 3-24-03 | Laura Ingraham

Posted on 03/24/2003 7:24:43 PM PST by L`enn

"…[W]e live in fictitious times-a time when we have fictitious election results that elect a fictitious president-a time when a man is sending us to war for fictitious reasons."
--Michael Moore, accepting his Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature.

Don't get suckered into believing that Moore's anti-Bush, anti-war rant is an isolated viewpoint on the far-left of the Democrat party. The dirty little secret is that most Dem-elite intellectuals agree with stupid white man Moore but are afraid to say so publicly.

The truth is that leading Democrat "thinkers" have at one time or another explicitly or implicitly conveyed the same sentiments. Take the "fictitious election" comment. Bill Clinton, still the titular head of the Democrat Party, has made similar cracks. Ditto for recovering politician Al Gore. At a speech in the Dominican Republic in December, Gore asked the crowd, "In your presidential election here, does the candidate who gets the most votes win the election?"

As for Moore's "fictitious reasons" for war comment, Senators Ted Kennedy and Robert Byrd have made comparable charges in recent weeks. When Moore refers to Bush as a "fictitious" president, what he really means is that he is a stupid president. When Tom Daschle last week blamed the President's "miserable failure" in diplomacy for forcing war, he too was really saying that Bush is dunce. Tom the Towering Intellect believes President Bush is woefully incapable of maneuvering in our complex, interconnected world. He's no Jacques Chirac.

The Dem-elites in Hollywood and Washington, utterly convinced of their intellectual and moral superiority, are hopelessly out of touch with the public whose welfare they claim to care so much about. Take the Oscars. On a day when we learned that American POWs were being humiliated before Iraqi television cameras, ABC decided the Academy ad revenues were too big to pass up. For the Academy, toning down the red carpet was an adequate sacrifice. Chef mogul Wolfgang Puck, who was catering the big after-party bash for the Academy, wailed that if the awards were cancelled, hundreds of pounds of imported sea bass would go to waste.

Well, Americans spoke last night. Ratings for the broadcast were down 23 percent from last year. Some proudly boycotted the Oscars, others opted to focus on what was happening in the real world. Turns out that the 70+ percent of those stupid Americans who support the President and the war in Iraq were smart enough to tune out Hollywood's ill-timed narcissistic exercise. Actor Tom Hanks was classy enough to bow out, undoubtedly uncomfortable with the spectacle. On this channel, see our brave military men and women in harms way, donning chemical suits. Flip to ABC and see Oscar nominees and presenters air-kissing one another for their artistic sacrifices, clutching their $25,000 "goodie bags," decked out in couture. Their idea of an MRE is a take-out order of capellini with white truffles from the Ivy.

Democrats' confused, muddled foreign policy message isn't playing any better with the American public than the Oscar ceremony played with American television viewers. The reason is that, except maybe for Joe Lieberman and Dick Gephardt, Democrats have made it clear that they believe that France should have veto authority over US national security decisions. Listen to Rep. Nancy Pelosi before for war, and it's clear that if France had agreed to the war, then she would be for it, too.

To heck with the fact that the American president, the intelligence community, the entire Cabinet, believe the war is necessary for our security! To heck with the American people who support President Bush's decision! Guinea and Cameroon aren't on board!

That so many liberals see this as an "illegitimate" or even "illegal" war is why liberalism is on life-support. The Michael Moore sympathizers in the Democrat party actually believe that the French (who helped Iraq build a nuclear plant) and the Russians (who sell unauthorized radar jamming equipment to Iraq) are acting in "good faith," but the President Bush and Vice-President Cheney are not.

The Dem-elites trust the judgment of the "international community" on foreign policy. Americans trust the judgment of their president. The Dem-elites are enamored with the UN. Americans see the UN as a forum for America-bashing. The Dem-elites believe America has become too "arrogant." Americans think France is too arrogant. The Dem-elites don't like the idea of America as a "super-power." Americans are proud to be the strongest, freest country in the world. The Dem-elites think this war is our fault. Americans think that it's Saddam's fault.

It would be refreshing if more in the entertainment industry confronted the idiocy of Michael Moore. Dennis Miller can't do it all. As for the Democrats, their ability to win national elections in the near future will depend on their own willingness to confront their own versions of Michael Moore. Don't hold your breath.


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1 posted on 03/24/2003 7:24:43 PM PST by L`enn
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To: L`enn
Is that you Laura?
2 posted on 03/24/2003 7:26:40 PM PST by b4its2late (Shoot first, ask questions later......)
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To: L`enn
BUMP!
3 posted on 03/24/2003 7:31:12 PM PST by Exigence
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To: b4its2late
LOL no! I just got this in my email , did a search and posted it.
4 posted on 03/24/2003 7:31:40 PM PST by L`enn
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To: L`enn
Many Dems think Cheney is the evil mastermind behind Bush. Most Americans see Bush as a strong and compassionate leader, especially during this war.
5 posted on 03/24/2003 7:34:59 PM PST by palmer (ohmygod this bulldozer is like, really heavy?)
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To: L`enn
The more Michael Moores the better. Democrats are crumbling faster than Alqida and the Saddam regime.
6 posted on 03/24/2003 7:35:24 PM PST by Mark (Treason doeth never prosper, for if it prosper, NONE DARE CALL IT TREASON.)
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To: Mark
Moore's comments will raise more money for the Republicans than you can imagine.
7 posted on 03/24/2003 7:39:04 PM PST by Wolverine
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To: L`enn
How well "educated" are these hollyweirdos? How many of them have college degrees of ANY kind? How many were high school drop-outs? How many have messed up their lives with alcohol, drugs, and scandal? Yet THEY have the gall to belittle President Bush and his staff!!!
8 posted on 03/24/2003 7:39:36 PM PST by LittleBoPeep
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To: Mark
Concur. I'd like as much air-time as possible for the stupidest white man of them all. Every time he opens his mouth, a few more Republicans are created.
9 posted on 03/24/2003 7:39:58 PM PST by speedy
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To: L`enn
Just checking..... If anything, I'm sure she lurks.
10 posted on 03/24/2003 7:42:54 PM PST by b4its2late (Shoot first, ask questions later......)
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To: L`enn
The Hollywood crowd weren't the ones booing last night. It was probably started by the regulars in the balcony. At first people are laughing and then cheering--they are soon shut up and are drown out by all the boos. If the balcony had started cheering, the Hollywood elites would have been whipped into a ecstatic frenzy. They have no backbone.
11 posted on 03/24/2003 7:43:24 PM PST by beaversmom (After the Axis of Evil on to the Axis of Weasels)
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To: L`enn
Laura Ingraham, The Hillary Trap: Looking For Power In All The Wrong Places, Hyperion, 2000, her first book picks a significant target.

Now she singles out Michael Moore, two hundred pounds of rotting sea bass.

Michael, kiss my ass:

12 posted on 03/24/2003 7:44:46 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: L`enn
Didn't Tubby say "fictition" at first?
13 posted on 03/24/2003 7:45:19 PM PST by Jhensy
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To: L`enn
Great article!
14 posted on 03/24/2003 7:47:54 PM PST by RJayneJ
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To: L`enn
Are you sure? I can keep a secret..... (sort of.)
15 posted on 03/24/2003 7:48:09 PM PST by b4its2late (Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. - Bonaparte)
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To: beaversmom
I didn't watch last night. Which "stars" were actually booing Michael MooCow, The Big Fat Idiot?
16 posted on 03/24/2003 7:48:28 PM PST by Rocko
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To: L`enn
I saw the beginning of it, somewhat against my will (was visiting a friend's house).

I have to say that the Steve Martin monologue in the opener was INCREDIBLE - it was a complete and total roast of Hollywood politics! One of the best comedy routines I have ever ever seen. I hope someone makes a flash movie out of it because I'd love to see it again! I don't know Steve Martin's politics, but from the sound of this routine I wouldn't doubt that he's solidly conservative after hearing him go off like that.
17 posted on 03/24/2003 7:49:58 PM PST by thoughtomator (Let's Roll!)
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To: LittleBoPeep
"How many of them have college degrees of ANY kind? How many were high school drop-outs? How many have messed up their lives with alcohol, drugs, and scandal?"

yep-they'll make good Democrat Senators some day.
18 posted on 03/24/2003 7:50:10 PM PST by wolf24
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To: L`enn
All Republican Presidents since Teddy Roosevelt left office have been some combination of stupid, lazy, or evil--it's just a matter of figuring out which combination fits each one. Taft: lazy; Harding: stupid; Coolidge: lazy, etc. Maybe Hoover is an exception--the Depression was enough reason to hate him.

What's Gore doing traveling to the Dominican Republic to make a speech? Looking ahead to next year's New York primary?

19 posted on 03/24/2003 7:50:44 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: LittleBoPeep
moore stumbles stupidly (and proudly) trying to spell things in his gun background check, before slandering the very people that helped him.

So he's an asshole and an idiot.
20 posted on 03/24/2003 7:52:41 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Rocko
I didn't watch either--I'm guessing from what I heard on the audio. From what I understand they didn't show the crowd at all when he was ranting. If you listen to the beginning of the audio, you can hear people laughing when he talks about the fictious election and then they start cheering momentarily. They are quickly drown out by the boos. There may have been some of the Hollywood crowd booing, but I think the majority would have been really whooping it up had the rest of the crowd gone along with his crap.
21 posted on 03/24/2003 7:53:22 PM PST by beaversmom (After the Axis of Evil on to the Axis of Weasels)
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To: beaversmom
They have no backbone...

oOo... song lyrics poppin in my head..

"Ready ready ready ready...ready to run

All I'm ready to do is have some fun..."

Jeez, just look at J-Lo.

22 posted on 03/24/2003 7:56:00 PM PST by texasbrat (You mean it's not treatable?)
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To: beaversmom
It did start in the balconies, as well as some cameramen and other labor types!

The loudest boos that started everything came from some police officers and firemen from New York invited there by the documentary on 9/11.

This is why I think Steve Martin made reference to the Teamsters throwing the big fat pig into the trunk of the limo.

There were several others that booed as well, I guess they were not the million dollar stars or directors!
23 posted on 03/24/2003 7:56:14 PM PST by One Sided Media (Go Bush!!)
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To: L`enn

Doughnut Girl got Booed!!!


24 posted on 03/24/2003 7:56:19 PM PST by CurlyBill
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To: All
Moore is a fat slob both physically and mentally!! I have no idea how the dems/libs are gonna keep from getting slaughtered in the next round of elections. With all the people on record saying how they're really for countries that are against us, in this day and age where America is constantly under attack, the public is gonna be terrified of getting any libs in there that they're either not gonna vote or vote for the good guys! Let Moore open his cavernous mouth, to speak that is, not stuff 4 tons of crap in there! CRAP IN, CRAP OUT!!!
25 posted on 03/24/2003 7:56:48 PM PST by wingster
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To: beaversmom
With a little luck, this idiocy will result in the same kind of payback the Wellstone Nazi rally/funeral inspired.
26 posted on 03/24/2003 7:57:24 PM PST by Rocko
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To: L`enn
Michael Moore at the Oscars was another Wellstone Memorial Rally.

27 posted on 03/24/2003 7:59:29 PM PST by edwin hubble
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To: Jhensy
Didn't Tubby say "fictition" at first?

"The fictition of duct tape", said the intellectual.

28 posted on 03/24/2003 8:00:37 PM PST by WarSlut (I think we're all in agreeance: fictition is a fictitous word.)
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To: L`enn
Don't get suckered into believing that Moore's anti-Bush, anti-war rant is an isolated viewpoint on the far-left of the Democrat party. The dirty little secret is that most Dem-elite intellectuals agree with stupid white man Moore but are afraid to say so publicly.

So, to paraphrase Hillary!, "Michael Moore said publicly what many Democrats have said privately over the years on the backlots of Hollywood."

-PJ

29 posted on 03/24/2003 8:02:53 PM PST by Political Junkie Too
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30 posted on 03/24/2003 8:03:00 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY (((Moore is a Fictitious Rich Marxist)))
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To: LittleBoPeep
Funny you should ask.
Just today I got this in the email from my sister:

Who's Smarter?

The Hollywood celebs are at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like "stupid", "morons", and "idiots".

So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant", "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:

President George W. Bush:

Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote.

Vice President Dick Cheney:

Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional fellowship.

Secretary of State Colin Powell:

Educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. His further academic achievements include a Master of BusinessAdministration Degree from George Washington University. (Note: He retired as Four Star General in the United States Army).

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld:

Attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77.

Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge:

Raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected six times.

National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice:

Earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude).

So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the facts on their educations and background:

Barbra Streisand: Completed high school Career: Singing and acting

Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade. Career: Singing and acting

Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton. Career: Acting

Jessica Lange: Dropped out college mid-freshman year. Career: Acting

Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal. Career: Acting

Julia Roberts: Completed high school. Career: Acting

Sean Penn: Completed High school. Career: Acting

Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. Career: Acting

Ed Asner; Completed High school. Career: Acting

George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky. Career: Acting

Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan. Career: Movie Director

Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School. Career: Acting

Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School. Career: Acting

Mike Farrell: Completed High school. Career: Acting

Janeane Garofelo: Dropped out of College. Career: Stand up comedienne

Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year. Career: Acting

31 posted on 03/24/2003 8:07:59 PM PST by rvoitier
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To: Rocko
With a little luck, this idiocy will result in the same kind of payback the Wellstone Nazi rally/funeral inspired.

That's a good analogy. Maybe we should hope these a$$holes keep squirting this diarrhea.

32 posted on 03/24/2003 8:15:46 PM PST by beaversmom (After the Axis of Evil on to the Axis of Weasels)
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To: beaversmom
I didn't watch, but I did see the replay. Do we know who the @ssholes cheering were?
33 posted on 03/24/2003 8:16:12 PM PST by The_Sword_of_Groo (Taste the sword of Groo...One taste per customer)
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To: The_Sword_of_Groo
I haven't heard, but I would like to know. I'd like for it to be publicized.
34 posted on 03/24/2003 8:17:28 PM PST by beaversmom (After the Axis of Evil on to the Axis of Weasels)
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To: L`enn
The Dem-elites trust the judgment of the "international community" on foreign policy.

That is not true. Clinton did not trust judgment of the international community in most cases when he was in office -- neither did Daschle, Albright, and many other democrats when Clinton was in office. Therefore, a more accurate statement would be, "The Dem-elites trust the judgment of the "international community" on foreign policy when a Republican is the president".

35 posted on 03/24/2003 8:18:49 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: rvoitier
What was Alec Baldwin's "scandal" in college?
36 posted on 03/24/2003 8:19:33 PM PST by Atlantian
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To: PhilDragoo
"Now she singles out Michael Moore, two hundred pounds of rotting sea bass."

I weigh more than 200 pounds, and look half decent. If that blob of crap doesn't go 400, I'll eat that ice cream I had stashed until Easter...

37 posted on 03/24/2003 8:23:09 PM PST by redhead (Orchides Forum Trahite Cordes Et Mentes Veniant)
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To: L`enn
OH I hope you all noticed when the camera was panning around the audience(seen on all the replays on the tube), it caught that actor named SMITS(I think that's how you spell his name)APPLAUDING moore wildly, while some of the other actors were smiling but kept their applause silent! We need to freep the SCUM bastard!! I used to like him but after sunday's little funny farm charade, he can go straight to ****!!
38 posted on 03/24/2003 8:46:16 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: L`enn; GunsareOK; Hail Caesar
Hopefully it'll do this to Mooron's book and DVD sales: backlash grows against Dixie Chicks.

PS: If not now, WHEN is the NRA going to REVOKE his life membership? He only bought it to use against us. I want to see Wayne LaPierre publically announce and then send him a full refund check!

39 posted on 03/24/2003 9:06:04 PM PST by Xthe17th (FREE THE STATES. Repudiate the 17th amendment!)
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To: L`enn
Yes indeed. The Democratic Party is the party of race-baiting crooks like Al Sharpton, traitors like Jim McDermott and Dennis Kucinich, clueless evil-appeasers like Jimmy Carter, leftists like Hillary Clinton, and just outright sleazy, narcissistic conmen like Bill Clinton. Yes indeed, what a party.
40 posted on 03/24/2003 9:08:17 PM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: Rocko
I saw the clip on FNC and none of the hollywood crowd booed, actually a few cheered. It was the lowly serfs in the upper deck that booed.
41 posted on 03/24/2003 9:12:15 PM PST by dc27
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To: LittleBoPeep
How well educated are they??

Barbra Streisand : Completed high school Career: Singing and acting
Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade. Career: Singing and acting
Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton. Career: Acting

Jessica Lange: Dropped out college mid-freshman year. Career: Acting
Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal. Career: Acting
Julia Roberts: Completed high school. Career: Acting

Sean Penn: Completed High school. Career: Acting
Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. Career: Acting
Ed Asner; Completed High school. Career: Acting

George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky. Career: Acting
Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan. Career: Movie Director
Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School. Career: Acting

Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School. Career: Acting
Mike Farrell: Completed High school. Career: Acting
Janeane Garofelo: Dropped out of College. Career: Stand up comedienne
Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year. Career: Acting

While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders.

These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican.

42 posted on 03/24/2003 9:38:42 PM PST by potlatch (If you want to love living - you've got to live loving...)
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To: L`enn
The dirty little secret is that most Dem-elite intellectuals agree with stupid white man Moore but are afraid to say so publicly

One thing I couldn't help but notice at last nights Oscar's

Yes it was good that the Hollywood idiots didn't cheer Moore's comment's .. but they also didn't boo his comments .. they just sat there and did NOTHING!

It seems to me that it was the crowd in the balcony that booed Moore

43 posted on 03/24/2003 9:50:05 PM PST by Mo1
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To: L`enn
I bet that right about now some shrewd and aware citizen at the IRS is going over Michael Moore's tax returns of the past ten years looking for "fictitious" figures.
44 posted on 03/24/2003 9:55:10 PM PST by Palladin (Proud to be a FReeper!)
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To: thoughtomator
I don't know what Martin's politics are, but his professionalism is unparalleled. Here's Dave Barry on the story behind the monologue.

P.S. If you can find that flash movie, please FReepmail me.

45 posted on 03/24/2003 9:58:50 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (Another day, another blood libel.)
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To: rvoitier
Any hope that Condoleezza might be persuaded to run against that flat @ssed Marxist with the sleazy narcissistic conman *husband* from Arkansas in '08?
46 posted on 03/24/2003 10:12:40 PM PST by softengine
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To: L`enn
Kudoes to Tom Hanks for having the sense not to show up at this celebration of ego and self-gratification.

It is more than unseemly for these people to go on about their tawdry and ostentatious lives (if you can call them that), while our men and women are dying in the field.

Those who have compared this to the Wellstone Rally/Funeral hit it on the head. Only this is worse. He was just a communist/Democrat Senator who was about ready to get ousted---a remnant of America's fast-fading flirtation with socialism.

These young men and women who are fighting are our best and our brightest---the future of our country. They deserve respect and honor, of which they have received not one iota from this Hollyweird crowd. I used to consider them a joke; but now I hate them.

If these people loved America, their little annual soirree would have had our young men and women front and center for honor and recognition.
47 posted on 03/24/2003 10:14:28 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: nutmeg
bump for later reading
48 posted on 03/24/2003 10:16:23 PM PST by nutmeg (Liberate Iraq - Support Our Troops!)
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To: Slings and Arrows
I went and read that---Dave Barry just may be the funniest man alive. :-)
49 posted on 03/24/2003 10:21:46 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: thoughtomator
Steve Martin seems to be smart enough to keep his politics to himself, but I do know that during the first Gulf War he went to the Mid-East to entertain the troops and that he and his wife took with them many messages to forward to soldiers' families when they returned to the States.
50 posted on 03/24/2003 10:22:50 PM PST by Igraine
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