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Artificial Stupidity (Creating Mindless Followers In Our Public Schools)
Capitalism Magazine ^ | March 25, 2003 | Thomas Sowell

Posted on 03/25/2003 6:25:21 AM PST by conservativecorner

Summary: Creating mindless followers is one of the most dangerous things that our public schools are doing.

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A recent news story about a teacher who assigned her students to write anti-war letters may have seemed like just an isolated episode, but teachers using students for their own little ego trips is by no means uncommon. Perhaps the worst recent example was a teacher who unleashed her venom on the children of military personnel who had gone off to fight in Iraq.

Just last week I received a bundle of letters from students who have apparently been given an assignment to write to me by a teacher in an English class in Flat Rock High School in Flat Rock, Michigan. This was occasioned by a column of mine that said some things that were not politically correct.

The first of these letters was from a girl who informed me, from her vast store of teenage wisdom, of things that I knew 30 years ago, and closed by telling me that I needed to find out about poverty. Since I spent more years in poverty than she has spent in the world, this would be funny if it were not so sad.

With American students consistently scoring at or near the bottom on international tests, you would think that our schools would have better things to do than tell kids to write letters to strangers, spouting off about things they know little or nothing about.

Flat Rock High School's envelopes, in which the students wrote their assigned letters, have the motto: "Where Tomorrow's Leaders Learn!" Sadly, they are learning not to be leaders but to be sheep-like followers, repeating politically correct notions and reacting with snotty remarks to anyone who contradicts them.

It is bad enough when someone takes the position that he has made up his mind and doesn't want to be confused by the facts. It is worse when someone else makes up his mind for him and then he dismisses any facts to the contrary by attributing bad motives to those who present those facts.

Creating mindless followers is one of the most dangerous things that our public schools are doing. Young people who know only how to vent their emotions, and not how to weigh opposing arguments through logic and evidence, are sitting ducks for the next talented demagogue who comes along in some cult or movement, including movements like those that put the Nazis in power in Germany.

At one time, the educator's creed was: "We are here to teach you how to think, not what to think." Today, schools across the country are teaching students what to think -- whether about the environment, the war, social policy, or whatever.

Even if what they teach were true, that would be of little use to these young people in later life. Issues and conditions change so much over time that even the truth about today's issues becomes irrelevant when confronted with the future's new challenges.

If students haven't been taught to think, then they are at the mercy of events, as well as being at the mercy of those who know how to take advantage of their ignorance and their emotions.

Classroom brainwashing is not new. I wrote about it a decade ago in my book "Inside American Education." Hearings at the Department of Education brought out the same things a decade before that.

When will the voting public get the message? Where are the parents of these children? Do parents in Flat Rock, Michigan, want their children's time in school wasted on their teachers' ideological hobby horses, instead of being used to prepare an intellectual foundation for their further education?

In the long run, the greatest weapon of mass destruction is stupidity. In an age of artificial intelligence, too many of our schools are producing artificial stupidity, in the sense of ideas and attitudes far more foolish than young people would have arrived at on their own. I doubt whether the youngsters in Flat Rock, Michigan, were brought up by their parents to say and do the silly things their teachers have assigned them to do.

Weapons of mass destruction in the hands of an avowed enemy can destroy many Americans, but they cannot destroy America, because we are too strong and too capable of counterattack. Only Americans can destroy America. But too many of our schools have for years been quietly undermining the values and abilities that are needed to preserve any society -- and especially a free society.

Thomas Sowell has published a large volume of writing. His dozen books, as well as numerous articles and essays, cover a wide range of topics, from classic economic theory to judicial activism, from civil rights to choosing the right college.


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1 posted on 03/25/2003 6:25:21 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner
Her heart apparently twisted by a demented educational system in the USA,
in Rafah, Gaza, Rachel Corrie,terrorist supporter, teaches Palestinian children
to be future terrorists as she teaches them to burn the American flag..


2 posted on 03/25/2003 6:27:10 AM PST by Diogenesis (If you mess with one of us, you mess with all of us.)
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To: conservativecorner
The first of these letters was from a girl who informed me, from her vast store of teenage wisdom, of things that I knew 30 years ago, and closed by telling me that I needed to find out about poverty. Since I spent more years in poverty than she has spent in the world, this would be funny if it were not so sad.

Classic Thomas Sowell.

3 posted on 03/25/2003 6:27:57 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: conservativecorner
I do not know alot about it or even how to do it...but like everything else in my life I'll learn.....HOW TO HOME SCHOOL MY CHILD!!!!!! In my opinion it is a moral crime on children to turn them over to these indoctrinators(sp)!!!!
4 posted on 03/25/2003 6:31:27 AM PST by Ga Rob ("Consensus is the ABSENCE of Leadership" The Iron Lady)
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To: Ga Rob
Hi Rob - What are the ages of your children? There is a large homeschool conference in Georgia next month. It is a great place to start - and to see results. There are many homeschool children there and you would be impressed with their knowledge, their looks, and their manners!! Send me a private email if you want further info.
I agree 100% - my 2 know more about Iraq than most adults I talk to.... They are in the 4th and 7th grade.
You are making a great decision!!!
5 posted on 03/25/2003 6:36:16 AM PST by Momto2
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To: conservativecorner
Only Americans can destroy America. But too many of our schools have for years been quietly undermining the values and abilities that are needed to preserve any society -- and especially a free society.

The humanist-socialist rabble intended for this to happen when they first began to introduce public education back in the 1800's. They have done their job well. When you separate kids from their parents, you open up the doors to all sorts of mayhem.

6 posted on 03/25/2003 6:37:56 AM PST by Sangamon Kid
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To: conservativecorner
This is a very important issue, the takeover of the schools by the anti-American communist left.

It is important to get the word out to the parents, of course, but part of the job must be reaching the students directly.

And the best way to reach the students is through other students. There are many groups of conservative students on college campuses and I wonder if such is the case in the lower grades, and I also wonder how big of a role the internet is playing in getting the word out.

The word: Teacher, leave those kids alone!
7 posted on 03/25/2003 6:38:04 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Ga Rob
Just be glad your kids are in GA and not in Maine. They gave the students of called up reservists a hard time about getting time off to see their parents off to war. The School Board claimed it wasnt part of the curriculum and the teachers were wrong, but arent teachers the main part of curriculum??
8 posted on 03/25/2003 6:41:28 AM PST by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: Diogenesis
Goals 2000.........
9 posted on 03/25/2003 6:42:27 AM PST by Brett66
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To: *Homeschool_list; 2Jedismom; homeschool mama; BallandPowder; ffrancone; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; ...
Homeschool bump..
and while I have your attention....

Prayer chain (today at 12 EST)

Join Boy Scouts in demonstrating Support for Our Troops

10 posted on 03/25/2003 6:47:24 AM PST by TxBec (Tag! You're it!)
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To: conservativecorner
I doubt whether the youngsters in Flat Rock, Michigan, were brought up by their parents to say and do the silly things their teachers have assigned them to do.

Don't count on it. Parents of my kids friends in the public school system have been the source of most of the problems that I have encountered these past 14 years. I guess they too are victims of the public school system, immoral and ignorant.

BTW, they are also the ones running the school boards, approving of all that is taught and what is spent.

11 posted on 03/25/2003 6:53:06 AM PST by thirst4truth
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To: All; everyone; SOMEONE; Everybody; Kim_in_Tulsa; diotima; TxBec; SLB; BibChr; JenB; ...
Ohhhhh! I'm it!

Ping

12 posted on 03/25/2003 6:53:42 AM PST by 2Jedismom (ĎAnd those who have not swords can still die upon them.')
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To: Diogenesis
The public schools are a bigger threat to this country than Saddam.
13 posted on 03/25/2003 6:53:56 AM PST by PuNcH
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To: Ga Rob
Homeschooling is simple if you are able to make the time commitment, and believe educating your kids is important. My best advice to you is to remember it and can be so muc fun.

Need any info. Freep mail me.

14 posted on 03/25/2003 6:56:10 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross ((no more movies anymore))
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To: Sangamon Kid
When you separate kids from their parents, you open up the doors to all sorts of mayhem.

Lest you think that it's only public education is the sole source of this problem, think again. You would be suprised what kind of ideas are passed onto our kids as "truth" in settings like Sunday School, Boy Scouts, sports teams, youth groups, etc.

15 posted on 03/25/2003 6:57:15 AM PST by Sangamon Kid
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To: PuNcH
Public schools are turning boys into girlymen. I love the quote in this article where the author says that boys are acceptable if they act like homosexuals rather than normal boys.


PERSPECTIVE
ADVERSE LEARNING ENVIRONMENT (29)
by JANN FLURY
Appearing Exclusively every Monday

March 24, 2003

It is a fact that men and women, by nature, think differently, and that they often have different interests, sentiments, and priorities. Therefore, it follows that boys and girls also think differently. This fact becomes obvious at school, and it creates unnecessary problems, mostly, because these intrinsic differences in the psyche between the sexes aren't accepted or taken into consideration by the "progressive" educators, bent on creating an egalitarian society of underlings.

Well disciplined children who know their place and are treated fairly are happy students. They contribute to the morale and well-being of the school and form part of the safe learning environment. Misunderstood or treated unfairly, without due consideration or appropriate interpretation of rules of conduct, students become resentful, uncooperative, and jeopardize the safe learning environment. In many schools today the prevalence of unruliness and defiance borders on anarchy, and instances have been reported where teachers actually fear for their own safety.

It is noteworthy that, today, boys have more discipline problems at school than girls. They have more problems academically; they do most of the bullying and fighting; and boys rebel against the politically-correct doctrine promoted by modern schools and drop-out more than girls. Have our schools become an adverse environment for boys through the promotion of rules of conduct that are incompatible with the nature of the developing male psyche? If so, why and how?

The high-tech brain wizards of the psychiatric world put their own spin on the problem. They claim that by looking through their own magic looking-glass, they can actually SEE how the human brain and thought processes work. They claim that men and women use the brain differently to solve any given problem. To us mortals, it is common knowledge that boys behave differently from girls because they think differently, and they think differently because their natural roles in life are meant to be different: "Vive la difference!" These differences are observable from early childhood and become modified as the character develops into adulthood.

Girls instinctively exhibit innate, typically feminine traits from early childhood. Girls are more demure, precocious, circumspect, and adaptable than boys. They like to learn new things and are interested mostly in art related, cerebral, non-physical activities. They are gregarious, like to socialize and play role-games with their peers.

Boys, by nature, are typically physical, boisterous and competitive. They like to lead more than follow and prefer physical or competitive games. They tend to be egocentric and readily resort to physical action when angered or threatened. Boys tend to be critical and idealistic, while girls are more altruistic and realistic.

Today, an overwhelming majority of grade-school teachers are women. Schools no longer have adequate male role models for the boys, and churlish boy-type behaviour is no longer well understood or tolerated. It is now seen as symptomatic of a violent personality or labeled as a learning disability in need of counseling or even psychiatric help. Male values like courage and competitiveness are seen as aggressive qualities that must be subdued and replaced with the more benign and politically acceptable female traits of compassion, tolerance and understanding. Consequently boys find themselves in a hostile, adverse school environment, unable to keep up with the girls in study and the woman teacher's behavioural expectations.

These attempts of behaviour modifications have come at a price. Over recent years, there has been an appalling deterioration in school discipline, accompanied by increased violence, and school dropouts. Through the ages, the natural character differences between men and women have been celebrated, and schools encouraged the development of these differences. Today, however, educators are striving to produce a gender-neutral set of values in students that is biased in favour of the female psyche, and the innate differences are being suppressed or crippled starting right in Kindergarten.

Modern educators tore down the old style school with all its traditions and transformed public education into what they tell us is a kinder, gentler institution. They set out to make school fun and exciting; they liberalized school by relaxing discipline and dress codes; they no longer teach manners or social etiquette and ignore traditional codes of conduct; they encourage students to explore and do their own thing. They promise to cater to the needs of every individual student and promote a nonjudgmental attitude by stating that there is no right or wrong. Progressive educators promote group learning in a modern school that is devoid of values and standards. They claim all students learn at their own pace and cannot be held to a timetable or specific goals of achievement.

To the modern educator the object of public school is to produce a student who is tolerant, nonjudgmental and can work cooperatively with a wide range of people in a global community. The emphasis is on political correctness, not academic achievement. Students must learn to "celebrate diversity," without rancor or prejudice. Many restless boy students cannot identify with such nebulous values, and fail to see any purpose in attending school.

Paradoxically, these liberalized institutions have found it necessary to make a whole new set of extensive rules to enforce their edict for a politically-correct environment. They even have a policy of "zero tolerance" against intolerance and against numerous fabricated petty offences that reflect typically boyish behaviour. Any physical horsing around, skylarking, pushing or shoving is strictly forbidden and is often interpreted as violent behaviour or assault. Even teasing is now a punishable offence and classified as a form of bullying.

It seems that the rules in our public schools today are made by cadre of modern educators largely composed of women unsympathetic to boyish behaviour. Boy behaviour is no longer tolerated. Natural male development is suppressed, crippled, or perverted. It's okay to be or act like a homosexual, but it's not okay to act like a normal boy.

It's bad enough that we have such lopsided rules for behaviour in public schools, but what is worse--even criminal--is how educators have chosen to enforce these lopsided rules. Boys must behave like girls or face psychological scrutiny or suspension if they don't comply with the "zero-tolerance" policy against perceived discrimination, prejudice or violence. Many schools hand out suspensions for minor physical altercations, expulsion for repeat or more serious offences. And, of course, for an in-house remedy we have the ubiquitous school psychologist who is usually all too willing to prescribe harmful mind-altering drugs like Ritalin to make boys more docile and obedient.

All these extreme measures for minor infractions do nothing to alleviate the underlying problem: they exacerbate it. It is like putting a dirty bandage on a festering wound. The developing character of a boy needs to be gently, firmly guided--sublimated--not stifled, crippled, or perverted, by politically-correct poppycock.

The intent to create a kinder, gentler society, shaped according to feminine logic, has neglected the developmental needs of boys. The nonsensical, politically-correct rules for behaviour have spawned an environment of rebellious resentment and loathing: a seething powder-keg ready to explode.

Soon we may reach a point with the school discipline problem where neither security guards, school psychologists, psychiatrists nor "All the Kings Horses and all the King's Men will be able to put Humpty-Dumpty together again."

JANN FLURY
905-571-4811

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16 posted on 03/25/2003 6:58:46 AM PST by ladylib
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To: Diogenesis
Terrifying. Looks like the Wicked Witch of the West.
17 posted on 03/25/2003 6:59:50 AM PST by ladylib
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To: Sangamon Kid
You can remove your child from Sunday School, youth groups, etc. It's quite a bit harder to remove him/her from the compulsory indoctrination (school) that takes up several hours of his day.
18 posted on 03/25/2003 7:02:11 AM PST by ladylib
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To: ladylib
Terrifying. Looks like the Wicked Witch of the West.

A house didn't fall on this one...a bulldozer did.

19 posted on 03/25/2003 7:02:23 AM PST by Sangamon Kid
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To: ladylib
You can remove your child from Sunday School, youth groups, etc. It's quite a bit harder to remove him/her from the compulsory indoctrination (school) that takes up several hours of his day.

It's easy if you have counted the cost.

20 posted on 03/25/2003 7:03:50 AM PST by Sangamon Kid
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To: No More Gore Anymore
You'd think wouldn't you???
21 posted on 03/25/2003 7:06:00 AM PST by Ga Rob ("Consensus is the ABSENCE of Leadership" The Iron Lady)
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To: cardinal4
My son Tristan has not even arrived yet(June 5th)...I am just trying to plan ahead. I'll freepmail you, thanks!!
22 posted on 03/25/2003 7:07:45 AM PST by Ga Rob ("Consensus is the ABSENCE of Leadership" The Iron Lady)
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To: conservativecorner
In the long run, the greatest weapon of mass destruction is stupidity. In an age of artificial intelligence, too many of our schools are producing artificial stupidity, in the sense of ideas and attitudes far more foolish than young people would have arrived at on their own.
This one's a keeper.
23 posted on 03/25/2003 7:08:15 AM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (http://c-pol.com)
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To: Ga Rob
Early congrats for Tristans arrival!!
24 posted on 03/25/2003 7:09:06 AM PST by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: Sangamon Kid
And she is sincerely dead and well and truly dead for her stupidity.
25 posted on 03/25/2003 7:16:46 AM PST by ladylib
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To: conservativecorner; *Education News
Another excellent article by Thomas Sowell.

Bump & Ping
26 posted on 03/25/2003 7:17:05 AM PST by EdReform (Support Free Republic - www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/581234/posts?page=914#914)
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BUMP!
27 posted on 03/25/2003 7:18:26 AM PST by Remedy
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To: Ga Rob
go for it!
28 posted on 03/25/2003 7:18:59 AM PST by TomSmedley
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To: cavtrooper21
Great read!

Semper Fi
29 posted on 03/25/2003 7:32:13 AM PST by dd5339 (Lookout Texas here we come!)
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To: conservativecorner
"Only Americans can destroy America."

The Public School system is the embedded ENEMY of America.

Teach your children to disrespect wrongful authority.
30 posted on 03/25/2003 7:44:26 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: PuNcH
The public schools are a bigger threat to this country than Saddam.

Well, yes, but please don't bomb the one next to my house!

I suggest not calling them "public," by the way. They don't serve the public. They serve the careerism of educrats, the propaganda needs of many left-wing special interests, and occasionally the PR purposes of various organs of government. The students in them get a few crumbs from what's left... sometimes.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit The Palace Of Reason:
http://palaceofreason.com

31 posted on 03/25/2003 7:48:57 AM PST by fporretto (Curmudgeon Emeritus, Palace of Reason)
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To: Diogenesis; TxBec
Thanks for posting those pics of the "martyr" for the terrorist cause who was killed when she kneeled before a bulldozer blade.

After 9/11, the leftist navelgazers kept asking "Why do they hate us?"
Maybe if we'd stop sending morons over to foreign countries to teach their little children to hate us, and instead tell them what is godd about America, those little children might actually grow up to have a realistic impression of the US.


32 posted on 03/25/2003 7:59:34 AM PST by ppaul
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To: dd5339; cavtrooper21
Dang! Sowell hits it on the head again!
33 posted on 03/25/2003 8:03:16 AM PST by Vic3O3 (Texan-to-be...at least there's CCW!)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
Thanks! Going to print this out and stick it on my bulletin board. :)
34 posted on 03/25/2003 8:04:00 AM PST by TxBec (Tag! You're it!)
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To: 2Jedismom; Ga Rob
Thanks for the ping!2J

and Rob: Homeschooling is easy - watching your kids destroyed by public school, now that would be hard.

We figure we may not be able to teach them everything, but what they are learning is TRUE.

And what they are learning about how life really works, and the importance of family and home as the basis of real life, and how to behave with consideration of their fellow man (even the public school fools they will have to deal with later) - this is what we believe is critically important.

You'll do fine. I think the great homeschooling secret is that it is easy and it is FUN! shhhhhh!
35 posted on 03/25/2003 8:18:05 AM PST by mamaduck
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To: conservativecorner
Homeschool - The last and best hope for the Republic.
36 posted on 03/25/2003 8:23:11 AM PST by don-o (And monthly donators are my favorite Freepers.)
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To: don-o
Homeschooling is best. However, (bear with me here), a LOT of problems could be solved if conservative parents would step up to the plate and volunteer in the organizations that the kids are in. I'm a PTA board member. I have a big mouth and lots of opinions. What I found, is that I wasn't the only one, just the only one willing to speak out. I was willing to call PC ridiculous and go head to head with the liberals. I win more often than I lose. I have backing of other board members and some of them have begun to find that THEY can speak out, be heard, and make a difference. Same with the sports teams and Sunday School and Boy Scouts, etc...

MY kids will think for themselves. I read the textbooks and we discuss the inaccuracies/lies therein. I correct teachers (one told my son that Texas had been annexed by the US...I don't think so). I feel that we need to make a difference in the larger world. And it's hard to change anything from outside.
37 posted on 03/25/2003 9:10:21 AM PST by nebulas
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To: Sangamon Kid
You wrote:

"The humanist-socialist rabble intended for this to happen when they first began to introduce public education back in the 1800's. They have done their job well. When you separate kids from their parents, you open up the doors to all sorts of mayhem."

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I disagree.....I believe they would be shocked at what has happened to "public" schools. In fact...I think teachers that taught in the 40's, 50's would be shocked as well....

BWDIK--

38 posted on 03/25/2003 9:35:33 AM PST by Osage Orange ( "Ah yes, liberal democrats unified as ever in opportunism and in error" - Tony Blair)
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To: ladylib; Mo1; MomwithHope; monkeyshine; netmilsmom; No More Gore Anymore; nunya bidness; ...
Great article. Do you have a link for this?
39 posted on 03/25/2003 10:08:55 AM PST by madfly (AZFIRE.org)
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To: conservativecorner
I have been reading Roosevelt's Secret War and I had a similar thought this morning. Roosevelt's Secret War had little to nothing to do with a moral superiority. We didn't win WWII because of anything that Roosevelt did, we won because of the strength of the American people.

As a side note, the left is fond of referring to George Bush as a spoiled frat boy, but this description is much more aptly applied to Roosevelt.
40 posted on 03/25/2003 10:18:38 AM PST by Eva
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To: Osage Orange
>>I disagree.....I believe they would be shocked at what has happened to "public" schools.<<

The model we used for as the basis for our own public school system on comes from Prussia. The stated goal of the system was to create workers for the factories, soldiers who would mindlessly follow orders, and citizens who would be easy to control.

>>I think teachers that taught in the 40's, 50's would be shocked as well....<<

You are probably correct. However, certainly what constitutes a good citizen, a good worker or a good soldier is swayed by the culture at large. If we were to look at it unbiasedly I am sure we could say that the 40's and 50's did the same just that the values were different (and more closely aligned with our own so maybe a little harder to see.)

The interesting thing is that the children of the 40s and 50s became the anti-war, anti-authoritarian hippies of the 60s- not exactly the goal. Could we be so lucky as to have the students of these generations rebel against their teachers beliefs?

The poster you replied to wrote "When you separate kids from their parents, you open up the doors to all sorts of mayhem." This is straight out of the works of Marx/Engle. Seperate children from parents, seperate mothers (the family glue) from their husbands and children, make men useless beyond providing sperm, to embrace the idea that all peoples are equal, homosexuality is good, morailty is passe- all of this was Marx.

Although I can't stand what he wante, I have to give him credit for knowing what it would take to get there. In order to bring about the change he saw necessary you must first destroy the fabric of society. You do that by slowly pulling out each individual family thread.
41 posted on 03/25/2003 10:19:26 AM PST by kancel
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To: kancel; DLfromthedesert
The interesting thing is that the children of the 40s and 50s became the anti-war, anti-authoritarian hippies of the 60s- not exactly the goal.

I have to disagree, being a recovered anti-war hippie type who worked at UCLA during campus unrest. Although not particpating in any protests, it was pretty hard not to get tired of the little box on the evening news that listed the number of DEAD, WOUNDED, MISSING, year after year after year. If you graduated from high school in 64, these were your peers, your brothers and boyfriends. I partied with Marines from Pendleton and 29 Palms and guys from the VA. I don't remember associating with anyone who was against our troops, just the endless police action in Nam. The fact that there were so many who treated our returning vets with such disrespect was shameful and makes it hard to point out that being against the war back then did not mean you were a Jane Fonda fan.

Because of our education we had been taught to think and to debate. We were taught the Constitution. Other movements that were beginning to catch on because of needed changes, ie; environmental, women's lib. I remember working hard to get my boss to allow us to wear pant suits to work instead of nylons and heels. Perhaps this sounds silly, but that was the point. It was no longer a "man's world" and working women had a right to be as comfortable as men. This was a far cry from being against men and family. When I first heard of these "women's studies" courses, I was shocked after visiting random University websites and perused their course descriptions along with the literature courses. What a load.

The original causes were taken over by leftists/marxists radicals which was the master plan, and a lot of us have grown up and become conservative and wiser with the help of FreeRepublic. I sincerely hope that as the Homeschool Movement continues to gain momentum with parents, that the homeschooled kids will become the leaders of tomorrow. It's so very hard to be hopeful.

Sorry for rambling on.

42 posted on 03/25/2003 12:36:45 PM PST by madfly (AZFIRE.org, NATURALPROCESS.net)
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To: thirst4truth
bttt
43 posted on 03/25/2003 12:41:42 PM PST by netmilsmom (Bush/Rice 2004- pray & fast for our troops this lent-Peace through strength)
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To: kancel
You wrote:

"The model we used for as the basis for our own public school system on comes from Prussia. The stated goal of the system was to create workers for the factories, soldiers who would mindlessly follow orders, and citizens who would be easy to control. "

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I've not really researched what you are stating here...but in the recesses of my brain...I keep thinking that they used to require Latin..considerable world geography, and fairly complex critical thinking exercises even in many of the ''one room'' school houses...in the 1800's. That doesn't sound like your average assembly line worker..I'm not doubting you..just trying to make it all jive...in my brain.

Is what you have described...Horace Mann's basic template? Horace Mann..was..as many refer...the "father of modern P.S.'s...wasn't he?

44 posted on 03/25/2003 5:34:49 PM PST by Osage Orange (Hillary's heart...is as dark as the devil's riding boots.)
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To: Osage Orange
While looking for what I wanted to link you to I found this really good essay- its a pretty quick read even though it is several pages long.
http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/historytour/history1.htm

okay here is the one I wanted- it gets reposted here pretty regularly:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/593722/posts

This gives a good history of American compulsory education. The author, John Taylo gatto, was a New York Public School Teacher and even one Teacher of the Year- twice if I remember correctly until he got fed up with what/how he was being forced to teach (I belive his "famous" quote was that he could no longer harm children.) He resignedd as a teacher in an OpEd piece- in the New York Times I believe- and if I find a copy of it I'll post the link here. If you like what he has to say he has much more on the web and in bookstores.


45 posted on 03/25/2003 7:25:26 PM PST by kancel
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To: madfly
Yup. I graduated the same year you did, and I wasn't against the war, but realized that it wasn't a war, just a slaughter of the young people we were sending into the jungles without the political will to actually win.

But what could we expect from the author of the "Great Society" that left us with so much debt and so many people expecting so much from their fellow citizens via federal programs?

46 posted on 03/25/2003 8:22:16 PM PST by DLfromthedesert
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To: ladylib
Great article by Jann Flury. Do you have any background info on Flury? Plan to use quotes from this article for an "article" of my own (just private email distribution). Thanks for posting it -- Flury says a lot of things I've been saying for years and does so more eloquently and succinctly than I!
47 posted on 03/25/2003 8:39:44 PM PST by viaveritasvita
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To: Diogenesis
I have honestly never seen anything so horrifying as the pic you posted of that raging, insane, freakish hag. God help us all.
48 posted on 03/25/2003 8:41:59 PM PST by viaveritasvita
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To: Ga Rob
Best decision you could make. It's a little intimidating at first (until you realize that you know as much or more than most public school teachers anyway). You will find plenty of support on this forum. If you would like some lists of resources or anything just FReepmail me. Go get 'em!
49 posted on 03/26/2003 5:37:45 AM PST by Pablo64 ("But still I fear and still dare not laugh at the the Madman.")
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To: conservativecorner
Freedom BUMP!
50 posted on 03/26/2003 5:40:53 AM PST by RipeforTruth
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