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Fleischer: Rape of POWs 'not worth mentioning'
WorldNetDaily ^ | March 25, 2003 | Les Kinsolving

Posted on 03/25/2003 5:39:00 PM PST by Dajjal

Fleischer: Rape of POWs 'not worth mentioning'

Spokesman fails to address issue of U.S. women held by enemy


Posted: March 25, 2003
7:10 p.m. Eastern

Editor's note: Each week, WorldNetDaily White House correspondent Les Kinsolving asks the tough questions no one else will ask. And each week, WorldNetDaily brings you the transcripts of those dialogues with the president and his spokesman. If you'd like to suggest a question for the White House, submit it to WorldNetDaily's exclusive interactive forum MR. PRESIDENT!

By Les Kinsolving
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

At today's White House news briefing, WND asked presidential press secretary Ari Fleischer about the Iraqis' holding of a female United States soldier as a prisoner of war and how it relates to the issue of women in combat.

WND: Ari, one of the U.S. POWs in Iraq is Shoshana Johnson of Texas, while The New York Times this morning reports that Pfc. Jessica Lynch of West Virginia is missing or captured. And during Desert Storm, Maj. Rhonda Cornum was captured and gang-raped, while the other U.S. female prisoner of war would neither confirm or deny that she, too, was gang-raped. And my question, does the president think that the Iraqi army has somehow changed to avoid the raping of female prisoners?

FLEISCHER: Lester –

WND: Or does he believe that it would be wise –

FLEISCHER: Lester –

WND: – to keep the women out of combat areas?

FLEISCHER: The history of our military is that men and women have served this nation honorably and with distinction. The treatment of prisoners by Saddam Hussein is the only point worth mentioning here. It's a given that men and women serve our country with dignity, that Saddam Hussein's regime had better not harm our prisoners. The president has made that clear. … Lester, no follow-up.

The Washington Times reported yesterday that Johnson was the first U.S. female held as a POW since the Clinton administration's military leaders repealed a rule barring servicewomen from positions with a high risk of encountering enemy fire or capture.

"It's bad when a man is captured. But if a woman is captured, she doesn't have the same chance [to defend herself] that a man does," Elaine Donnelly, president of the Military Readiness Center, told the paper.

Said retired Army Lt. Col. Robert Maginnis, "You must consider that women in every society are preyed upon if they are overtaken. ... Now that women are closer to the front lines, they are more subject to becoming captives and being manipulated."


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Les Kinsolving is WorldNetDaily’s White House correspondent and a talk-show host for WCBM in Baltimore.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: combat; genevaconvention; humiliatingprisoners; itsjustsex; jihad; mistreatingprisoners; pow; pows; prisonersofwar; putsomeiceonit; rape; sexslaves; slaves; warcrime; warcrimes; women; womenincombat
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And my question, does the president think that the Iraqi army has somehow changed to avoid the raping of female prisoners? Or does he believe that it would be wise to keep the women out of combat areas?
1 posted on 03/25/2003 5:39:00 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: Illbay
Grist for your mill.
2 posted on 03/25/2003 5:43:21 PM PST by Maedhros (I have come to the frightening conclusion that I am the decisive element.)
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To: Dajjal
Shut up.

I support Ari and the President. There is no point in going over this. It does no one any good.

We're about to have control over this country. We are going to try a lot of people for war crimes, and you can bet that this includes crimes that may have been committed in Gulf War I.

In the civilian world you don't drag a woman's name through the mud, who has been the victim of rape. The reporters attempt to sensationalize this issue is disgraceful, as is your attempt to wave the bloody shirt.
3 posted on 03/25/2003 5:43:44 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: Maedhros
True, but I don't want to go there. This is disgusting.
4 posted on 03/25/2003 5:44:10 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: Dajjal
This is a truly tasteless question. What if the family of the woman POW heard this and are now torturing themselves wondering what's happening to their daughter and sister?
5 posted on 03/25/2003 5:44:29 PM PST by Catspaw
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To: Dajjal
This is a stupid article, but then it's from Les, so what would you expect.

The title is MADE UP from whole cloth.
6 posted on 03/25/2003 5:45:08 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Illbay
Les Kinsolving is WorldNetDaily’s White House correspondent

*Snicker*

7 posted on 03/25/2003 5:45:45 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Illbay
Shut up.

I support Ari and the President. There is no point in going over this. It does no one any good.

We're about to have control over this country. We are going to try a lot of people for war crimes, and you can bet that this includes crimes that may have been committed in Gulf War I.

In the civilian world you don't drag a woman's name through the mud, who has been the victim of rape. The reporters attempt to sensationalize this issue is disgraceful, as is your attempt to wave the bloody shirt.


I could NOT agree more, Illbay.
8 posted on 03/25/2003 5:46:01 PM PST by proud American in Canada ("We are a peaceful people. Yet we are not a fragile people.")
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To: Illbay
Big bad Bump!

We don't need this kind of thing now. Respect the family of this woman, and don't do this!

9 posted on 03/25/2003 5:47:17 PM PST by timydnuc (FR)
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To: Howlin
Kinsolving also filled in often for Michael Savage on his radio show.

-PJ

10 posted on 03/25/2003 5:47:20 PM PST by Political Junkie Too
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To: Dajjal
What's the point of this reporter's question other than to sensationalize the issue? Rape of an American female POW is a distinct probability considering the brutality of the Iraqi regime. There is nothing the President or anyone else except the Iraqis holding a female captive can do to prevent it.
11 posted on 03/25/2003 5:50:32 PM PST by TADSLOS (Sua Sponte)
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To: Dajjal
Fleischer: Rape of POWs 'not worth mentioning'

Deliberate misquote.
12 posted on 03/25/2003 5:51:08 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Catspaw
torturing themselves wondering what's happening to their daughter and sister?

It's not the reporters fault for asking the question, it's our idiot pol's fault for allowing this insane policy to exist.

The families torturing themselves wondering what's happening anyway. Not everyone needs Ari Fleischer to figure help them figure the world out for them.

Women should be NOWHERE near a combat situation. Though we now live in PC world, with PC jackasses who are afraid to rock the boat. Even if it means the degradation of our military and women suffering permanent and immeasurable harm.

13 posted on 03/25/2003 5:51:21 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: Illbay
Thank you for your thoughtful post on this situation. May God bless every soldier male or female - and protect those women captured from this terror.
14 posted on 03/25/2003 5:51:58 PM PST by jeeperz
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To: Dajjal
Disgraceful.
15 posted on 03/25/2003 5:52:03 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (Like all the jolly good fellows, I drink my whiskey clear.)
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To: Illbay
I support Ari and the President.

We're supporting "Ari" now. Gosh almighty, you people are even more far gone than I thought.

But then again, you support the Palestinians so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

16 posted on 03/25/2003 5:53:15 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: Dajjal

Rhonda Cornum

17 posted on 03/25/2003 5:53:37 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: Political Junkie Too; Howlin
Les Kinsolving: Helen Thomas's kindred spirit. Both pure loons! This idiot takes all credibility away from WND.
18 posted on 03/25/2003 5:55:08 PM PST by holyscroller (Why are Liberal female media types always ugly to boot?)
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To: AdamSelene235
You can let Les Kinsolving let him know what you think of him at les@wcbm.com
19 posted on 03/25/2003 5:55:18 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (Like all the jolly good fellows, I drink my whiskey clear.)
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To: Dajjal
bump for a coming flame war.
20 posted on 03/25/2003 5:55:19 PM PST by yonif
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To: Dajjal
It's just plain stupid to discuss hypotheticals at this point. This is an issue to be addressed when we are not at war.
21 posted on 03/25/2003 5:55:53 PM PST by Eva
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To: Illbay
I am not clear, do you support women in combat areas?
22 posted on 03/25/2003 5:55:58 PM PST by Nov3
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To: cynwoody

I'm being brutalized because of a PC policy implemented by a bunch of illogical morons.

23 posted on 03/25/2003 5:57:02 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: Dajjal; general_re; BlueLancer; Poohbah
A disgraceful question under the circumstances, and a fraudulent headline.
24 posted on 03/25/2003 5:57:47 PM PST by dighton
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To: Dajjal
The headline is a lie which twists Ari's words.

Send it into the cornfield!
25 posted on 03/25/2003 5:58:22 PM PST by P.O.E. (God Bless and keep safe our troops.)
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To: Howlin
Les Kinsolving

Tin Foil Hat Alert.
26 posted on 03/25/2003 5:58:24 PM PST by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: cynwoody
What an inspiration.

Thank you for the link.

She could kick Les Kinsolving's ass.

Which works for me.

27 posted on 03/25/2003 5:59:28 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: Political Junkie Too
Oh, that's good to know.
28 posted on 03/25/2003 5:59:34 PM PST by Howlin
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To: TADSLOS
What's the point of this reporter's question other than to sensationalize the issue?

Ding! Ding! Ding! Move to the head of the class!

29 posted on 03/25/2003 6:00:33 PM PST by Howlin
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To: aruanan
Deliberate misquote.

Call it what it is: a lie.

30 posted on 03/25/2003 6:00:57 PM PST by Howlin
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To: AAABEST
It must just kill you to see people actually SUPPORT a person and this country.
31 posted on 03/25/2003 6:01:48 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Dajjal
This question is about self promotion of WND. The post headline is hyperbole in the best trdition of WND.
33 posted on 03/25/2003 6:04:37 PM PST by PolishProud
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To: AAABEST
Women have been near harms way since WWII, those aid stations weren't far behind the lines. So I take it you consider Patton to be an illogical PC moron.

Way to use this poor woman as a flag for your pet issue. Talk about scummy behavior.
34 posted on 03/25/2003 6:04:55 PM PST by discostu (I have not yet begun to drink)
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To: Catspaw
I agree. Even in his question, there was more info. than the families needed to hear.
35 posted on 03/25/2003 6:05:14 PM PST by whadizit
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To: AAABEST
I don't support the Palestinians--I have no interest in them one way or the other, except it would be nice if they stopped killing people--and I don't support women anywhere near combat.

That isn't my point.

It is, that this is a POINTLESS question to be raising right now, in the teeth of this conflict. We need to support, not only Ari Fleischer, but the family and loved ones of these women.

I don't like the "rules" that exist, that allowed them to be where they could be captured. But they are in enemy hands, and lurid speculation on their fate just sickens me.

This was WRONG, and it makes me detest WND even more than I already do.
37 posted on 03/25/2003 6:07:22 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: holyscroller
WND ever had credibility?
38 posted on 03/25/2003 6:07:48 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: Nov3
In a word:

NO!

And I've taken more than my share of grief on this score.

39 posted on 03/25/2003 6:08:31 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: Eva
It's just plain stupid to discuss hypotheticals at this point. This is an issue to be addressed when we are not at war.

Concern over Iraqi mistreatment of American POWs, both male and female, IS a topic worthy of current discussion.
The administration may not be in a current position to resolve the issues that are brought up. That policy was implemented by Klintoon. But immediately upon completion of this military action, Klintoon's policy should be reevaluated and (IMHO) reversed. Women do not belong in front line combat units.

40 posted on 03/25/2003 6:08:40 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Howlin
>> "The title is MADE UP from whole cloth."

Agreed, which is why I just reported it as abuse.

41 posted on 03/25/2003 6:09:00 PM PST by shadowman99
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42 posted on 03/25/2003 6:09:09 PM PST by Bob J
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To: Dajjal
Les Kinsolving needs a gold watch and a kick in the ass.

Has he no friends who will tell him he is the great fool of the White House press corps?

43 posted on 03/25/2003 6:10:33 PM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: Dajjal
All the men and women taken in 91 were raped
44 posted on 03/25/2003 6:11:10 PM PST by MSgt Smith (What are tag lines)
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To: Dajjal
The headline, from what I can see, is inaccurate and I believe it's probably deliberate.

One of the reasons I gave up on WND some time ago as a primary news reporting source.

45 posted on 03/25/2003 6:12:48 PM PST by Fury
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To: Dajjal
stupid question. The sad fact for POWs, male or female, they are subjected to sexual torture. A class act like Ari would never embarass them or their families by discussing this distasteful fact of war.
46 posted on 03/25/2003 6:12:51 PM PST by Cate ((LET FREEDOM RING!!!!))
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To: Howlin
>> "The title is MADE UP from whole cloth."

In fact, the more I think of this, the more it pisses me off. We need to freep Les Kinsolving for this.

His Email.

47 posted on 03/25/2003 6:14:22 PM PST by shadowman99
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To: shadowman99
Evidently the "left" is not the only "side" with liars who have access to the media.
48 posted on 03/25/2003 6:14:34 PM PST by Howlin
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To: discostu
Talk about scummy behavior.

You're the scumbag, scumbag. It's because of people like you that she's suffering now.

I view the soldier (sister) as a woman who's life is now ruined because of a$$holes who tag along with leftist idiot policy. Like yourself. I find it pathetic for idiot-boys to rain on some reporter who simply questions the fact that this idiot policy (thought up by idiot-boys without a clue) is in place.

Good reporters should be asking why we're doing dumb things. Ef "Ari".

49 posted on 03/25/2003 6:15:38 PM PST by AAABEST
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To: Dajjal
And exactly what does this issue have to do with anything but dredging up a 30 year old argument.

Just how can the modern military keep a woman from being killed or captured or raped and at the same time give them the rights and privileges that they demand.

You figure it out. Most other people are done with this lousy and long ago lost argument.

50 posted on 03/25/2003 6:16:16 PM PST by Cold Heat
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