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Puff-Snuff Huff (Pataki signs statewide public smoking ban)
New York Post ^ | March 27, 2003

Posted on 03/27/2003 5:20:04 AM PST by Wolfie

Edited on 05/26/2004 5:12:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Gov. Pataki yesterday reluctantly signed a stringent statewide ban on smoking in public places - just minutes after the Legislature overwhelmingly passed the controversial measure.

The statewide ban will supercede the Big Apple's own smoking law - which is set to go into effect at 12:01 a.m. Sunday - and kill some of the exemptions in the city ordinance.


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1 posted on 03/27/2003 5:20:04 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie
One down 49 more to go.
2 posted on 03/27/2003 5:23:13 AM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: Wolfie
O'er the land of the free. Nuff said.
3 posted on 03/27/2003 5:23:17 AM PST by ricpic
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To: Wolfie
In New York the state owns every breath you take? It isn't public air, it's the state govt's air?
4 posted on 03/27/2003 5:23:47 AM PST by isthisnickcool
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To: Wolfie
The Morality Police strike again.
5 posted on 03/27/2003 5:24:18 AM PST by Pern (It's good to know who hates you, and it's good to be hated by the right people - Johnny Cash)
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To: Wolfie
More power grabbing by the nanny state. Freedom is temporary... This is sickening.
6 posted on 03/27/2003 5:27:30 AM PST by demkicker (I wanna kick some commie butt)
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To: Pern
Now that we got that out of the way, lets focus like a laser and get after those killers, the Fast Food Joints! (/sarcasm)
7 posted on 03/27/2003 5:28:30 AM PST by Area51
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To: Wolfie
Pataki spokeswoman Lisa Stoll said that while the governor has reservations about the bill, he signed it super quick "because he believes a statewide ban on smoking in the workplace will lead to a healthier New York and will reduce the cost of health care for New Yorkers."

It's wonderful how so-called Republic conservative leaders in our country know exactly what is best for us, honestly I feel much safer today thanks to the sacrifice of such fine leaders.
I can't wait for this illustrious team to determine other sometimes confusing aspects of life like where I should live and what religion is best for our nation, bravo comrades, keep up the good work, America needs you now more than ever, and G-d bless GWB.

8 posted on 03/27/2003 5:32:25 AM PST by TightSqueeze (From the Department of Homeland Security, sponsors of Liberty-Lite, Less Freedom! / Red Tape!)
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To: Area51
Now that we got that out of the way, lets focus like a laser and get after those killers, the Fast Food Joints! (/sarcasm)

lol they can go ahead and nuke mcdonalds for all i care but mess with rallys,wendys,or taco bell and theres gonna be a problem

thou shall not take away my "deep fried god" aka rally fries

9 posted on 03/27/2003 5:35:12 AM PST by MetalHeadConservative35 (Iraq..may god have mercy on you because we wont!)
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To: isthisnickcool
It's my air, too. Why can't folks just smoke their coffin nails outside?
10 posted on 03/27/2003 5:36:26 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: Wolfie
Well, I'm all for freedom since I'm a conservative, but since I personally dislike cigarette smoke, more power to them! (/antismoker hypocritic drivel)
11 posted on 03/27/2003 5:36:54 AM PST by stands2reason
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To: Pern; MrLeRoy; bassmaner; headsonpikes; Xenalyte; buffyt
Maybe NY cigarette smokers can invest in some ol' fashioned stealth technology. (Assuming Aschroft hasn't confiscated all of them.)


12 posted on 03/27/2003 5:37:06 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: TightSqueeze
He may be Republican, but I don't think anyone refers to Pataki as "conservative."
13 posted on 03/27/2003 5:38:09 AM PST by stands2reason
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To: Wolfie
Pataki spokeswoman Lisa Stoll said that while the governor has reservations about the bill, he signed it super quick "because he believes a statewide ban on smoking in the workplace will lead to a healthier New York and will reduce the cost of health care for New Yorkers."

What a stupid contradiction. You can't be a champion of, and taker of freedom at the same time just to suit your political facade.
14 posted on 03/27/2003 5:39:30 AM PST by Stevieboy
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To: Wolfie
bump
15 posted on 03/27/2003 5:41:56 AM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: Wolfie
My dug out looks like a pager, wear it everywhere I go. Got it from CheechInc.com, they had alot of cool 'smoking accessories', until Asscroft shut them down in his latest Morality Campaign.
16 posted on 03/27/2003 5:46:44 AM PST by Pern (It's good to know who hates you, and it's good to be hated by the right people - Johnny Cash)
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To: mewzilla
Why can't folks just smoke their coffin nails outside?

Could you possibly have read the article?

17 posted on 03/27/2003 5:47:05 AM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: Wolfie
What is that thing?

I want one.
18 posted on 03/27/2003 5:47:29 AM PST by Pete'sWife (Dirt is for racing... asphalt is for getting there.)
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To: Pern
I guess some Morality Campaigns are better then others, eh?
19 posted on 03/27/2003 5:47:47 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie
Why can't folks understand the difference between "public buildings" and privately owned buildings that are opened to the "public"?
20 posted on 03/27/2003 5:49:11 AM PST by Tinman
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To: Wolfie
Tyranny seems to be alive and well in N.Y.

The voters are to blame for those they elected are the ones controlling them.


21 posted on 03/27/2003 5:53:02 AM PST by unixfox (Close the borders, problem solved !)
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To: Wolfie
"It's the strongest public-health policy in the state of New York that we've ever had," Fuschillo said.

If it is really about our health have the anatomy to prohibit cars, alcohol, junk food, plate glass windows, multi-story buildings, soccer, slippery sidewalks, hot weather, cold weather, running with scissors, chicken bones, anything weighing over 9.7 ounces. . .

22 posted on 03/27/2003 5:53:29 AM PST by Flyer (We Own The Streets!!)
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To: Pete'sWife
Its called a Dugout, one side holds the tobacco, the other a cigarette shaped one-hitter. Be careful where you buy one, the Government disapproves.
23 posted on 03/27/2003 5:54:56 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: unixfox
The voters are to blame

Couldn't agree more. If we didn't have a pesky democratic republic this crap wouldn't be happening.

24 posted on 03/27/2003 6:00:57 AM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: Wolfie
Man, just reading this article makes me want to light up a defiant cigarette - and I quit years ago!

I guess Big Brother has turned into Big Mamma, knowing what's best for us and making us wash behind our ears and all that. They now form a tag team of motivation and rationalization to take property rights away under the guise of knowing what's best for you.

Pretty soon they'll be requiring you to order vegetables when you go out to eat, and they'll hire some unemployed minders from Saddam Hussein's ex regime to make sure you do so. That'll keep our insurance costs down and all, you see...

25 posted on 03/27/2003 6:02:56 AM PST by Puddleglum
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To: Wolfie
I can't beleive I campaigned for this guy. All that time wasted going door-to-door and he turns out to be a puppet of the American Lung Association et al.... I'm so disappointed - I should have worked for Golisano!

This is a final nail in the coffin for many struggling bars and restaurants in downtown Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse and Albany. Will local governments be able to assemble to overturn the ban???
26 posted on 03/27/2003 6:07:42 AM PST by rocky88
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To: VRWC_minion
Plus....We need to have those elected live up to their promises. It's way past time to keep allowing these LIARS to stay in office until the next election rolls around. When they violate the "will of the people" (Oh I love that cliche) they should be thrown out IMMEDIATELY. Keeping them on a pedastel only gives them more power to control.


27 posted on 03/27/2003 6:08:43 AM PST by unixfox (Close the borders, problem solved !)
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To: VRWC_minion
You just love the tyranny of the majority, don't you butt boy?
28 posted on 03/27/2003 6:09:09 AM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can)
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To: rocky88
This is a final nail in the coffin for many struggling bars and restaurants in downtown Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse and Albany.

Back door prohibition has been their aim all along.

Will local governments be able to assemble to overturn the ban???

No.

29 posted on 03/27/2003 6:11:27 AM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can)
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To: Pern
The Morality Police strike again.

Meanwhile, NY State has a ~$12 BILLION budget deficit - and the budget will be late again.

Well, at least they got the smoking ban in place. What a bunch of hooey

I'm giving serious thought to leaving the state. I was looking at buying a home. The school district where I was looking warns they may have to raise the school tax rate ***25%***. Living in a tent is looking appealing.

30 posted on 03/27/2003 6:12:20 AM PST by Fury
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To: Wolfie
I wonder if this will apply to Native run Casinos or are they exempt from NY state law and separate sovereign entities?
31 posted on 03/27/2003 6:16:49 AM PST by xp38
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To: metesky
Our constitutional government has worked fairly well for the past couple hundred years in balancing the majority's tyranny. Shall we overthrow the government ? That is your natural right.
32 posted on 03/27/2003 6:20:17 AM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: unixfox
Keeping them on a pedastel only gives them more power to control.

We do have the right to overthrow tyrants if the government no longer serves us. Maybe we can get a call to arms out to the smokers and they can rise up and overthrow this tyranny, right after their smoke break of course.

33 posted on 03/27/2003 6:22:29 AM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: VRWC_minion
heh...funny how people only get upset about "tyranny of the majority" when they finally find themselves on the receiving end.
34 posted on 03/27/2003 6:23:39 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Pern
The Morality Police strike again.

While I would be considered by many to be a member of the "Morality Police," I do strongly believe that government has no right to regulate whether a private business decides to allow smoking in it or not.

35 posted on 03/27/2003 6:24:42 AM PST by A2J (Those who truly understand peace know that its father is war.)
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To: Wolfie
I strongly hope this has a negative impact on tourism.


MARK A SITY
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36 posted on 03/27/2003 6:25:58 AM PST by logic101.net (ALASKA FOR ALASKANS!)
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To: xp38
I wonder if this will apply to Native run Casinos or are they exempt from NY state law and separate sovereign entities?

Interesting question. I believe that in general, for most laws, if the law applies to the entire state and the state itself is not exempt from it then it applies to the tribe. Also, the tribe would be able to use any exemptions that state allows.

37 posted on 03/27/2003 6:28:37 AM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: mewzilla
It's my air, too. Why can't folks just smoke their coffin nails outside?

No, it's NOT your air. It's the govt's air in New York. And the law has to do with OUTSIDE. Read what's posted.

Many people are such damn wimps. And that includes the smokers and non-smokers. The non-smokers cry about a little second hand smoke. The smokers have been beaten up such that they act like cattle and just do what they are told.

My wife had an interesting comment regarding this New York law. She said "they must have a lot of jails".

38 posted on 03/27/2003 6:29:40 AM PST by isthisnickcool
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To: metesky
I very much appreciated your #28. My sentiments exactly.
39 posted on 03/27/2003 6:30:03 AM PST by jimt
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To: Wolfie
Then its best not to piss the majority off by being inconsiderate and selfish.
40 posted on 03/27/2003 6:30:47 AM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: Wolfie
I suppose laws against those who spread AIDS to others will soon follow. /sarcasm
41 posted on 03/27/2003 6:33:35 AM PST by P.O.E. (God Bless and keep safe our troops.)
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To: VRWC_minion
Yes we should overthrow many of our present local and state governments and send all the Federal NannyGov types home where they can be masters of their own small domains.

It's called elections. We have them every two years. Perhaps you've heard...

42 posted on 03/27/2003 6:46:28 AM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can)
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To: Puddleglum
I guess Big Brother has turned into Big Mamma, knowing what's best for us and making us wash behind our ears and all that. They now form a tag team of motivation and rationalization to take property rights away under the guise of knowing what's best for you.

Pretty soon they'll be requiring you to order vegetables when you go out to eat

The War On Some Drugs was just the first step on a long slippery slope.

43 posted on 03/27/2003 6:58:30 AM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: Wolfie
Seward amd Boelhert voted yes!
44 posted on 03/27/2003 7:02:42 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: metesky
It's called elections. We have them every two years. Perhaps you've heard...

You mean the same folks who were recently elected that just raised your state tax on cigs by over 50 cents per pack in many states and banned smoking in public places ? Those folks ?

45 posted on 03/27/2003 7:58:29 AM PST by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: VRWC_minion
Don't worry, you smug ___, the tide is turning as more people see that they've placed small minded imps like you in charge.
46 posted on 03/27/2003 8:05:04 AM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can)
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To: Wolfie
Those Republicans are at it again, the start of a new prohibition and the reassertion of the states authority to govern the use of private property.

The "public" designation is another redefinition of property by those who have the guns.

47 posted on 03/27/2003 8:13:24 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: Protagoras
That's the problem with chickens, they always come home to roost. You spend enough time and money telling people that the government has a right, heck, a duty, to tell people what to do with their lives, and sooner or later, someone takes you up on it.
48 posted on 03/27/2003 8:14:54 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie
"because he believes a statewide ban on smoking in the workplace will lead to a healthier New York and will reduce the cost of health care for New Yorkers."

Can't think of almost anything that can't be enacted under these guidelines. Banning automobiles would do a better job of attaining these goals.

49 posted on 03/27/2003 8:16:30 AM PST by Protagoras
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To: Wolfie
Keep your powder dry.
50 posted on 03/27/2003 8:17:24 AM PST by Protagoras
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