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Is Bush Putting the Skids to the UN? ^ | March 28, 2003 | Alan Caruba

Posted on 03/28/2003 11:51:32 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe

Here's a suggestion. Let's take the millions in dues we pay to the United Nations and reallocate it to help pay the cost of our war to liberate the Iraqis. We pay more than a quarter of the operating budget for that Epicenter of Bloviation.

I don't think we're getting our money's worth. In September 2002 Congress voted to fund the operations of the US Department of State to the tune of $8.6 billion. Included was $244 million for so-called back dues for the United Nations, plus $78 million in current dues. Of the overall amount the State Department will disburse, $891 million is for assessed expenses to international organizations; UNESCO is one of those agencies. Also included was $726 million for international "peacekeeping" activities which we largely underwrite, but for which the UN gets all the credit.

I admit it is an odd thought, but I keep wondering if George W. Bush hasn't deliberately put the skids to the United Nations? That speech he gave in September 2002, warning the General Assembly that it was on the brink of "irrelevancy," really got my attention. I don't recall any president ever saying anything like that. Ever.

Other Presidents have expressed their frustration. Other Presidents have withheld the dues. But only George went to the podium of the General Assembly---where the vote of the United States is exactly equal to the vote of Tuvalu, Liechtenstein, and Barbados---and told them that they were on the brink of irrelevancy.

Then there was the drawn-out dance for the UN Security Council in which the Secretary of State, Colin Powell, clearly demonstrated that Iraq was, after twelve years and seventeen resolutions, still defying it. The Security Council has shown little ability to thwart wars and other conflicts from its inception. It did nothing in 1994 to stop the Rwandan Hutu's from slaughtering 800,000 people in that nation. It remained incapable of stopping Serbia's "ethnic cleansing." A dozen years of on-again, off-again inspections in Iraq accomplished nothing. The US still has troops in South Korea after the 1950's "UN Police Action."

The propaganda surrounding the UN is such that most people are still blithely unaware that the United Nations wants to impose its own tax on all financial transactions, exercise total power over land use throughout the world, require everyone to carry a national or international identity card, require population control, and has even instituted its own court to prosecute anyone for whatever it deems to be crimes against humanity. In addition, the UN wants its own independent military forces.

If this sounds like a totalitarian nightmare, you're right. And I didn't even mention its so-called environmental program that has banned some of the most effective pesticides needed to protect people against the many diseases spread by insects. Thanks to the UN, malaria has made a triumphant return, killing millions every year because of its ban on DDT. Then, of course, there was the UN ban on Freon, one of the most beneficial chemicals ever created. It no longer can be used in any air conditioner or refrigerator, nor as an effective fire-extinguishing agent. And it was cheap!

In sum, the United Nations has hardly been a benefactor to mankind. Why does the United States or any other nation bow to its baseless authority? What useful purpose does it serve that cannot be replicated by other international groups?

The Bush administration has endorsed a "humanitarian role" in Iraq for the Security Council. It balked, however, at the thought of granting it a political role in the reconstruction of Iraq when the war ends. Instead, the UN administered "oil-for-food" program is to be kept in place to provide for the funding of humanitarian needs. May I ask the obvious question? Why can't a comparable program be administered independently of the UN? Answer: it can.

Which brings me full circle back to wondering if the Bush administration isn't actively putting in motion those actions and events that will render the United Nations unnecessary in a few years. I even dare to wonder if, given any further excuse, Congress may decide it is time to withdraw entirely?

One thing is clear, however. Conservative columnists like George Will and Linda Chavez are now actually saying out loud what others have only hinted at. It is time for the US to get out of the United Nations. This objective used to be ascribed solely to "John Birch Society members" and "right wing nuts." This is making a lot of conservatives positively giddy.

Time has allowed the true goals of the UN to be revealed. Time has demonstrated the inability of the UN to fulfill its original purpose. Time will ultimately put an end to the United Nations.

TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: georgewill; ineffectiveun; johnbirchsociety; lindachavez; newnwo; oilforfood; postwariraq

1 posted on 03/28/2003 11:51:32 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
No question, the PR climate has completely changed. A year ago most people thought that the UN was a Good Thing. And those who thought we should pull out were a tiny minority. Now the average thinking person is probably at least doubtful whether or not the UN is a good thing. And a lot more people are saying that we should pull out.

I have been against the UN for a long time, because I'm pro-life and the UN has become the major instrument for the culture of death. I have the feeling that if I say what I think I'll get a much more respectful hearing from the average person than I would have a year ago. They may still disagree, but they won't automatically think I'm a far right wing nut.
2 posted on 03/28/2003 11:56:44 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Here's a better idea!

Start a new organization in the same building.


Start a new organization and call The World United Freedom Foundation

All these countries must help each other fight terror no matter where it exists.

All countries must train with the United States Military and go fight terror where ever it exists when called.

All costs are shared amongst the member countries.

3 posted on 03/28/2003 12:01:15 PM PST by chachacha
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The US still has troops in South Korea after the 1950's "UN Police Action."

The reference here should be that, had the USSR not taken a break to go to the powder room, their veto would have stopped the UN from repulsing NK's invasion.  The fact that the "Police Action" was never resolved has more to do with Truman's fear of fighting the Chinese.  MacArthur was ready to kick ass.  The UN isn't what stopped him.
4 posted on 03/28/2003 12:01:56 PM PST by gcruse (If they truly are God's laws, he can enforce them himself.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I agree although we still need WHO (however worthless it is).
5 posted on 03/28/2003 12:05:00 PM PST by CathyRyan
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Is Bush Putting the Skids to the UN?

One can only hope...
6 posted on 03/28/2003 12:05:44 PM PST by Aeronaut (It's all about You, Lord.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
One can only hope, you will have to pardon me if I appear to be giddy.

I have hoped that the UN would get out of the US for quite a long time now.

If you are looking for other reasons to justify the US getting out of the UN do a search on Agenda 21. Sustainable Environment, Sustainable development...... that will make you feel like some of your freedoms are taken away.

7 posted on 03/28/2003 12:06:19 PM PST by TonyWojo
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To: Aeronaut
Not at the top of the list but on the list at last.
8 posted on 03/28/2003 12:08:10 PM PST by Conspiracy Guy (It's not supposed to make sense.)
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To: CathyRyan
and why in the 4311 do we need the WHO? Millions wasted and nothing to show for it but an Aids epidemic, ebola outbreaks, and Now SAR.
9 posted on 03/28/2003 12:08:53 PM PST by DeathfromBelow
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To: DeathfromBelow
The CDC (althought it need to be recovered from budget cuts and politics)is better than WHO but do you really think China would talk to the CDC? WHO does herds cats after a fashion. 90% of what WHO does is a waste but it it the 10% that counts.
10 posted on 03/28/2003 12:23:11 PM PST by CathyRyan
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Included was $244 million for so-called back dues for the United Nations, plus $78 million in current dues. Of the overall amount the State Department will disburse, $891 million is for assessed expenses to international organizations; UNESCO is one of those agencies. Also included was $726 million for international "peacekeeping" activities which we largely underwrite, but for which the UN gets all the credit.

It's good to have the exact figures. I've been saying all along that we should take the money we've been wasting at the UN and funnel it into US agencies. THe UN's cost of delivering any alleged services is ridiculous; we'd get much more accomplished with that money if we controlled the expenditures. We're getting a very small bang for the buck by filtering it thru the UN. Also, if we used our own agencies, they would have to hire more AMERICAN workers to deliver supplies and services, thus improving our own economy.

11 posted on 03/28/2003 12:32:42 PM PST by PoisedWoman (Fed up with the liberal media)
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To: CathyRyan
I started to correct all the mistakes in my post but then decided .. screw it.
12 posted on 03/28/2003 12:46:25 PM PST by CathyRyan
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To: Tailgunner Joe

13 posted on 03/28/2003 3:08:14 PM PST by Knuckle Sandwich Combo
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To: Cicero
I find it very fitting that Bush 43 is marginalizing the UN, especially since his father, Bush 41 (NewWorldOrder, 1990), was responsible for pushing it big time on everyone.
14 posted on 03/28/2003 3:16:49 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Just saw on the news where Mugabe of Zimbabwe (Nee Rhodesia) had his thugs beat about 400 people almost to death (one did die) because they were suspected of harboring thoughts about voting against him in upcoming elections.
The Same Mugabe who was feted and personally greeted by Chirac two weeks ago as a part of his whirlwind anti-US diplomacy.
Even BBS-TV noted that this is happening because the Iraq distraction gives him cover. Since the UN is looking for something to be revalent about, anyone think they could handle a tinpot dictator like this...(Just kidding -- we all know better)
15 posted on 03/28/2003 3:31:08 PM PST by Jerry W. Howard
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Hope its OK to add this.

Treason in Korea - US betrayed by UN


By LtCol "Bud" Farrell, USAF, ret.

When I was a young officer and jet fighter pilot flying missions in the Korean Conflict (unknowingly under the command of a Soviet General of the United Nations Security Council), I could never understand HOW THE ENEMY KNEW SO MUCH ABOUT US, as broadcast almost daily over the communist Pyongyang radio station in North Korea.

Our wives' names, children's names, Squadron Commander names, flight numbers, etc.! The North Koreans knew when we were coming, how many of us there were, what type of aircraft we were flying and even the targets we were to hit. Later I realized that the naval and ground forces suffered the same fate that we did, especially our Army and Marine infantry troops.

All of our military operations had to be forwarded by radio to the Soviet Commander of the United Nations Security Council at the United Nations Building, New York City, for approval before our forces went into action against the North Koreans and Red Chinese. The Soviet Commander of the United Nations Security Council delayed the battle plans until he used the radios in the United Nations Building in New York to relay all our "battle planning information" to Moscow, North Korea and Red China.

The enemy then contacted and relayed these same battle plans to their communist forces in the field. The enemy knew when to move from an area and when to attack our smaller fighting forces. They knew beforehand when we were coming and how many of us there were. They knew everything about us all the time - 24 hours a day!!!

I later found this same form of "treason" was used against our forces in the Vietnam War. All information regarding "every battle plan in Vietnam" was given to the North Vietnamese, Soviets (Advisors), and Viet Cong Troops in the field DURING THE ENTIRE WAR. The enemy knew our every move at all times.

Our troops were led like sheep to the slaughter in both Korea and Vietnam. Like blind fools we sent our combat plans to the enemy for approval.

There was a standing joke among us fighter pilots. "That Moscow had a file on each and every one of us." How little did we really know. Every mission, every movement was compromised! General Walt, former Commander of the United States Marine Corps, reflected upon this information in his book that was written in the early 1980's. This was never allowed to appear in any bookstore in the United States. During the Korean and Vietnam conflicts, thousands of our fighting men were mentally or physically incapacitated BECAUSE OF THIS TREASON! To this day, the Soviets (or someone from one of their satellite countries) are the only ones who can command the United Nations "World Police Forces".

Each and every one of us that served in Korea or Vietnam served under the total command of a Soviet General! Here are the names of the soviets and the dates they served as "Under-Secretary of the Security Council of the United Nations," thus the highest military commander of all United Nations fighting forces anywhere in the world, INCLUDING ALL MILITARY FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES. These names and information was obtained from the United Nations yearbooks up through 1983. Later yearbooks were not available. (All listed below are Soviet Generals holding the office of "Under-Secretary for Security and Political Affairs"):

1946-1949 Arkady Alexandrovitch Sobolev
1949-1953 Constantine E. Zinchenko
1953-1954 Dragoslov Protich
1958-1959 Antoly Dobrinin
1960-1962 George Petrovich Arkadev
1962-1963 Eugeny D. Kiselev
1963-1964 Vladimir Paulovitch Suslov
1965-1967 Alexel Efemovitch Nesternko
1968-1973 Leonid N. Kutakov
1973-1978 Arkadv N. Shevchenko
1978-1980 Mikhail D. Sytenko
1981-1983 Vlacheslav A. Ustinov
1988- Vasiliy Safronchuk

"The post for 'Political and Security Affairs' traditionally has been held by a SOVIET NATIONAL is Senior Advisor to the Secretary-General." [New York Times, May 22, 1963]

The Soviet Lt. General Alexandre Vasiliev, the Soviet Representative on the United Nations (Mini) Military Staff Committee from 1947 to January 1950, is the same General Vasiliev who took "a leave of absence from his United Nations job" and was PLACED BY THE SOVIET UNION AND RED CHINA IN COMMAND OF ALL CHINESE COMMUNIST TROOP MOVEMENTS ACROSS THE 38TH PARALLEL.

During the Korean "Police Action", Lt. General Vasiliev received all his military information and troop movements of all United Nations forces in Korea directly from his superior, Soviet General Constantine E. Zinchenko (see above, 1949-1953), who served as Under-Secretary of the Security Council of the United Nations in New York. ALL battle plans had to be APPROVED by him AHEAD OF TIME.

It was the traitor, President Harry S. Truman himself, who REFUSED TO ALLOW General Douglas MacArthur, the Supreme Commander of the United Nations fighting forces in Korea, to bomb the bridges at the Yalu River over which the Chinese Communist troops came by the hundreds of thousands to kill and wound our soldiers. Truman and the Soviet General in charge at the United Nations TOTALLY HANDCUFFED MacArthur in all instances.

General MacArthur was only in command of the fighting forces in Korea, not in command of the United Nations position as "Under-Secretary of the Security Council". A Soviet General held this position of POWER AND AUTHORITY OVER MACARTHUR and all the United Nations fighting forces in Korea. THE SAME WAS TRUE FOR VIETNAM.

When General MacArthur WOKE UP TO THE TREASON OF PRESIDENT TRUMAN and the Soviets in the United Nations, he executed one of the greatest military performances ever ventured in modern warfare. His dangerous but magnificent military engagement and sea landing at "Inchon" on September 15, 1950 enabled his military forces to slaughter the communist forces, destroy their massive supply dumps, and put the Red Chinese, North Koreans and their Soviet advisors on the run. [In other words, MacArthur kicked some ass!]

MacArthur never asked permission from the United Nations Security Council (Soviet General Zinchenko) to perform this SECRET military operation. MacArthur hand-picked close and loyal military officers in doing so, and they kept a tight lid on the entire operation. Originally, our forces were to never win any battles as planned by the Soviet Generals in the United Nations. But General MacArthur realized the treason and took positive action not only to save the lives of his fighting forces and destroying the enemy and their supply dumps, but also creating the "turning point" of the Korean War with his success at Inchon.

For this "positive action", General Douglas MacArthur was relieved of his command of the United Nations fighting forces in Korea by the traitor President Harry S. Truman.

President Truman feared General MacArthur so much that just prior to General MacArthur returning to the United States from Korea, Truman hid out at Camp David for over 3 weeks in fear of being arrested by General MacArthur, who was a 5-Star General and in command of all military forces in the United States.

This allowed the controlled press in the United States time to attack MacArthur on all fronts, even before he returned home from Korea. Big headlines in the monthly magazines of the United States described MacArthur "As like unto Hitler returning home to the Chancellery

With cunning control of their national news outlets over the minds of the people in the United States against MacArthur. The same man who had just saved the lives of thousands of their sons with daring military moves - against the wishes of the United Nations Command, in routing the Red Chinese and North Koreans at Inchon.

Now you know the real truth as to what really happened "behind the scenes" during the Korean Conflict between the traitor Truman and General MacArthur, the real hero!

* * *
"I was worried by a series of directives from Washington (Truman) which were greatly decreasing the potential of my Air Force. First I was forbidden "hot" pursuit of enemy planes that attacked our own. Manchuria and Siberia were sanctuaries of inviolate protection of all enemy forces and for all enemy purposes, no matter what depredations or assaults might come from there. Then I was denied the right (by Soviet General in United Nations) to bomb the hydroelectric plants along the Yalu River. The order was broadened to include every plant in North Korea which was capable of furnishing electric power to Manchuria and Siberia."

"Most incomprehensible of all was the refusal to let me bomb the important supply center at Racin, which was not in Manchuria or Siberia, but many miles from the border, in forwarded supplies from Vladivostok for the North Korean Army. I felt that step-by-step my weapons were being taken away from me."

This is exactly the same type of "treason" that occurred against our military forces in Vietnam. But Vietnam was far more vile and dirty in length of time that our soldiers were betrayed. MacArthur continues on page 21:

"That there was some leak in intelligence was evident to everyone. (Brigadier General Walton) Walker continually complained to me that his operations were known to the enemy in advance through sources in Washington information must have been relayed to them, assuring that the Yalu River bridges would continue to enjoy their sanctuary and that their bases would be left intact. They knew they could swarm down across the Yalu River without having to worry about bombers hitting their Manchurian supply lines."

General MacArthur then referred on page 21 to an official leaflet published in Red China by Chinese General Lin Piao. It read:

"I would never have made the attack and risked men and military reputation if I had not been assured that Washington would restrain General MacArthur from taking adequate retaliatory measures against my lines of supply and communication."

J. Ruben Clark, Jr., former Under-Secretary of State and Ambassador to Mexico, who was widely recognized as one of our nation's foremost international lawyers, stated on page 27 of the book entitled "The United Nations Today".

"Not only does the Charter Organization (United Nations) not prevent future wars, but it makes it practically certain that we shall have future wars, and as to such wars it takes from us (the United States) the power to declare them to choose the side on which we shall fight, to determine what forces and military equipment we shall use in war, and to control and command our sons who do the fighting."

Planned wars by international corporate socialists money barons within the United States and throughout the world brings great profit to the majority of banks and war manufacturing plants that they control and own all across the United States. These same people got filthy rich on the "20 pieces of silver" for the lives lost and wounded of our soldiers in the Korean and Vietnam conflicts, and they also collected billions of dollars in profit for supply "war materials" in Korea and Vietnam.

By now you should have come to realize "why" there were so many restrictions on our soldiers during combat in Korea and Vietnam, and why we were NOT ALLOWED TO WIN not allowed to bomb certain targets, not allowed to really do anything in a positive manner to destroy the enemy.

Korea and Vietnam were never planned to be won, but instead they were planned so big money could be made by the bankers and all their political lackeys who sit in Public Office all over the United States and in other governments of the world.

The Vietnam conflict was also allowed to continue to weaken the resistance of Americans against any type of war or fight against communism. To accept anything would be better in the minds of the masses than war and having their sons killed. Even if it meant "merging" of our entire government with that of the Soviet Union (as we presently are witnessing).


This response was written by Bob Revello. Major General Jack Jumper, a general in Vietnam I worked directly under, was one of the true commanders of that war. He knew what was going on with the UN and had our fliers hit targets in Cambodia, particularly the Ho Chi Minh trail. All without the knowledge of the Commies in the UN knowing about it. Too many supplies were coming in from the North and they were getting ready for another offensive. Gen. Jumper put a stop to it (1972). The UN, with White House approval, took him out of the position he was in (Intelligence) and placed him in charge of the Personnel Division. That's OK. He did what he had to do and saved many lives.
16 posted on 03/29/2003 11:33:05 AM PST by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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The United Nations is the Greatest Fraud in all History It's Purpose is to Destroy the United States
Congressman John E. Rankin
17 posted on 03/29/2003 11:38:13 AM PST by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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To: Dubya
The United Nations is the Greatest Fraud in all History It's Purpose is to Destroy the United States

Can't argue with that.

18 posted on 03/29/2003 11:41:20 AM PST by b4its2late (I'm really easy to get along with, once you people learn to worship me.)
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To: b4its2late
Thats for sure. This Congressman had his head on stright.
19 posted on 03/29/2003 11:42:52 AM PST by Dubya (Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father,but by me)
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