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No More Smoking In N.Y. Businesses - $1,000 penalty for violations
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Posted on 03/28/2003 5:19:39 PM PST by chance33_98

No More Smoking In N.Y. Businesses

State Law Tougher Than Upcoming NYC Law

Posted: 3:13 p.m. EST March 27, 2003

ALBANY, N.Y. -- New York has joined California and Delaware as the only states to ban smoking in virtually all businesses.

Legislation signed by Gov. George Pataki ends smoking in most places that had still allowed it -- bars, certain restaurants, betting parlors, bowling alleys, pool halls and even in company cars.

Exemptions include private residences, personal cars, Indian casinos and New York City cigar bars already registered.

The statewide measure is even tougher than a separate smoking ban due to go into effect in New York City. That measure allows smoking rooms in restaurants and bars equipped with special ventilation.

The law sets a $1,000 penalty for violations.


TOPICS: Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: nazi; plunder; pufflist
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1 posted on 03/28/2003 5:19:39 PM PST by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98
Bars all over my neighborhood will be going out of business in the next few months. Thanks, Mayor Bloomingidiot.
2 posted on 03/28/2003 5:24:19 PM PST by thoughtomator (Al-Jazeera is an enemy combatant)
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To: chance33_98
Exemptions include private residences, personal cars, Indian casinos

Do they mean Native American Casinos or Asian Indian ones?

3 posted on 03/28/2003 5:26:24 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: chance33_98
Taxes are a bitch to raise.
4 posted on 03/28/2003 5:28:34 PM PST by Bars4Bill
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To: chance33_98
And in a related story, New York officially changed it's name to NAZI GERMANY.
5 posted on 03/28/2003 5:32:46 PM PST by Jhensy
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To: chance33_98
Is patpaki an ex-smoker?
Ex-anythings are the worst.
My proof = my ex-wife!
6 posted on 03/28/2003 5:33:17 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ( clinton is a raping traitor!)
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To: *puff_list
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list
7 posted on 03/28/2003 5:34:24 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: chance33_98
Rush was right...ten years ago. He called a complete ban on smoking statewide for business.
8 posted on 03/28/2003 5:36:31 PM PST by PatrioticAmerican (Arm Up! They Have!)
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To: chance33_98
Like the cops don't have enough scumbags to worry about, now this.
9 posted on 03/28/2003 5:40:00 PM PST by b4its2late (I'm really easy to get along with, once you people learn to worship me.)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Rush was right

99.something% of the time.......

10 posted on 03/28/2003 5:40:56 PM PST by b4its2late (I'm really easy to get along with, once you people learn to worship me.)
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To: PatrioticAmerican
AND THE TAX MONEY IS NOT COMING IN AS FAST AS IT USE TO!!!!
11 posted on 03/28/2003 5:41:29 PM PST by jocko12
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To: b4its2late
Like the cops don't have enough scumbags to worry about, now this.

Ain't that friggin' rich, from citizen to scumbag in the stroke of a pen, does it count when his-honor blows smoke out his-ass?

12 posted on 03/28/2003 5:46:43 PM PST by TightSqueeze (From the Department of Homeland Security, sponsors of Liberty-Lite, Less Freedom! / Red Tape!)
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To: chance33_98
liberals posing as republicans are everywhere in New York!
13 posted on 03/28/2003 5:54:50 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: TLBSHOW
There are only 57 real Republicans in New York and I believe they are all related to ME.

BTW...I paid a visit to my very own RINO State Senator (Flanagan's his name) yesterday. His receptionist told me he was "in a very important meeting." "Fine," I said, "Have him call me this afternoon. Or, if you like, I can come back later." She said she'd tell him I stopped by.

Well...it's 30 hours later, and I still haven't heard from the worm. He's probably busy giving Joe Bruno or Geo. Pataki a hand job. So, on Monday morning at 9:00 I will go back to his office & stay there till he can find time to make ME one of his "important meetings."

I'll tell you this, though: He ain't gunna think much of my sunny morning disposition on Monday.

Regards,
14 posted on 03/28/2003 6:06:29 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: VermiciousKnid
If RJR and the other cigarette companies had any balls, they'd announce that it was just too expensive to do business in New York, California and any other state with these fascist smoking laws, and announce no more cigarette shipments to those states. *POOF* go tax receipts.

These states don't REALLY want smokers to quit, too much revenue is at stake. Pataki will find this out come budget time next year. Draconian, idiotic laws like this make criminals out of the common citizenry, just as Prohibition did, which always results in a breakdown in respect (if there's any shred of it left) for law in general.

God help us poor boobs out in flyover country. This kind of stupidity is headed our way too. Smoke 'em while you've got 'em.

15 posted on 03/28/2003 6:40:11 PM PST by Hodapp
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To: Hodapp
Unfortunately, RJR and the other tobacco companies cannot do what you suggest. It is ILLEGAL for them to stop selling cigarettes in any state that participated in the Master Settlement Agreement.

Pretty nice, huh?

I HATE NEW YORK.

Regards,
16 posted on 03/28/2003 6:42:48 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: TLBSHOW
You got that right, Not one freaking Republican Senator voted against this nonsense

The Assembly approved the measure 97-44.

DEMOCRATS

Yes (84)

Aubertine, Aubry, Benjamin, Bing, Boyland, Bradley, Brennan, Brodsky, Cahill, Canestrari, Carrozza, Christensen, Clark, A. Cohen, Colton, Cook, Cymbrowitz, DelMonte, Destito, L.M. Diaz, R. Diaz, DiNapoli, Dinowitz, Eddington, Englebright, Espaillat, Farrell, Galef, Gianaris, Glick, Gottfried, Grannis, Green, Greene, Grodenchik, Gromack, Heastie, Higgins, Hooper, Hoyt, Jacobs, John, Karben, Kaufman, Klein, Koon, Lafayette, Lentol, Lifton, Lopez, Magnarelli, Markey, McEneny, McLaughlin, Millman, Morelle, Nolan, Norman, O'Donnell, Ortiz, Parment, Paulin, Peralta, Perry, Pheffer, Pretlow, Ramos, P.M. Rivera, Robinson, Sanders, Scarborough, Seminerio, Sidikman, Silver, Stringer, Sweeney, Titus, Tocci, Tokasz, Tonko, Towns, Weinstein, Weisenberg and Weprin.

No (11)

Abbate, Cusick, Gantt, Gunther, Lavelle, Levy, Magee, Powell, Schimminger, Smith and Wright.

Absent (8)

Arroyo, M. Cohen, Gordon, Hikind, Mayersohn, Peoples, J. Rivera and Seddio.


REPUBLICANS

Yes (13)

Bacalles, Barra, Brown, Conte, Ferrara, McDonough, Miller, O'Connell, Reilich, Spano, Stephens, Straniere and Thiele.

No (33)

Acampora, Barclay, Barraga, Burling, Butler, Calhoun, Casale, Crouch, Errigo, Finch, Fitzpatrick, Hayes, Hooker, Kirwan, Kolb, Labriola, Manning, McDonald, Mills, Mirones, Nesbitt, Oaks, Ortloff, Prentiss, Raia, Sayward, Scozzafava, Tedisco, Townsend, Warner, Winner, Wirth and Young.

Absent (1)

Alfano.


The Senate approved the measure 57-4.


REPUBLICANS

Yes (37)

Alesi, Bonacic, Bruno, DeFrancisco, Farley, Flanagan, Fuschillo, Golden, Hannon, Hoffmann, Johnson, Kuhl, Larkin, LaValle, Leibell, Libous, Little, Maltese, Marcellino, Marchi, Maziarz, McGee, Meier, Mendez, Morahan, Nozzolio, Padavan, Rath, Robach, Saland, Seward, Skelos, Spano, Trunzo, Velella, Volker and Wright.

No (0)

Absent (1)

Balboni


DEMOCRATS

Yes (20)

Andrews, Breslin, Brown, Diaz, Dilan, Duane, Hassell-Thompson, Krueger, Kruger, Lachman, Montgomery, Onorato, Oppenheimer, Parker, Paterson, Sampson, Schneiderman, A. Smith, Stachowski and Stavisky.

No (4)

Connor, Gonzalez, Sabini and M. Smith.

17 posted on 03/28/2003 7:34:49 PM PST by qam1 (Upstate New York secede from Downstate Now!!)
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To: qam1
Even though Balboni was absent from the vote, he doesn't get a pass; he was a co-sponsor.

I used to see Balboni at the local bagel shop (where I used to live)& thought he was a nice guy. I was wrong. He is a boob, too.

Regards,
18 posted on 03/28/2003 7:37:30 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: VermiciousKnid
Yeah I know Balboni was in on it. I remember he was part of the corrupt Nassau County Tammity Hall Gullotta years.

So the Republican count was 38-0.

I just can't belive the upstate senators who are usually the only voices of sanity all brought into this crap. I am going to let my senator (Little) hear from me big time (My assembly member voted against it).

This bill if it's not overturned means doom for us. My area depends almost entirely on tourist which a large percentage comes down from Quebec and we all know how the French like to smoke, Well they will be going to Vermont now (Yeah they have a smoking ban but it is weak) and during winters there are few tourist and everybody just eeks out a living and going to restaurants/bars is a luxary, People aren't going to take not being able to smoke and are just going to choose to stay home.

THis is just unbelievable, I am still in shock, I had an accident last weekend while hiking and I broke my nose badly and I been taking painkillers and I am really hoping that all this is just a drug induced nightmare.

19 posted on 03/28/2003 8:11:04 PM PST by qam1 (Upstate New York secede from Downstate Now!!)
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To: qam1
THis is just unbelievable, I am still in shock, I had an accident last weekend while hiking and I broke my nose badly and I been taking painkillers and I am really hoping that all this is just a drug induced nightmare.

Soooo sorry to disappoint you.

Get well soon.

20 posted on 03/28/2003 8:38:38 PM PST by Great Dane
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To: qam1
My Assemblyman (Fitzpatrick) also voted against the measure. I have called his office to thank him for his vote.

Still haven't heard from Flanagan, but that's OK...the longer he makes me wait, the angrier I'm going to be, and I'm already pretty ticked off as it is.

In related news, keep an eye on RINO Senator Ken LaValle...he's the genius trying to push through legislation that will allow NYS to collect taxes on ALL internet purchases. I've got a call in to his office, too.

One of the other posters on this thread commented on how we here in New York truly have no choice but to vote third party -- there is literally NO difference between the GOP and Dems -- and ten bucks says nobody will be able to show me proof otherwise.

Regards,
21 posted on 03/29/2003 4:58:46 AM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: chance33_98

With the stroke of a pen politicians turn millions of people minding their own business into criminals.

Voting for the lesser of evils always begets evil. How could so many people thinking they're right be so wrong.


22 posted on 03/29/2003 5:26:58 AM PST by Zon
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To: VermiciousKnid

Unfortunately, RJR and the other tobacco companies cannot do what you suggest. It is ILLEGAL for them to stop selling cigarettes in any state that participated in the Master Settlement Agreement.

If so, it's a blatant scam to enrich governments and the tort lawyers. That's redundant because the tobacco lawsuit was an obvious scam/fraud on its face.

23 posted on 03/29/2003 5:33:21 AM PST by Zon
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To: VermiciousKnid
Come on, VK, you've gotta admit it was pretty nice of Pataki to let people smoke in their own homes and cars.

Bastid makes me ashamed to be Greek (and so does my senator Olympia! Snowe).

24 posted on 03/29/2003 5:34:25 AM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can)
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To: qam1

You got that right, Not one freaking Republican Senator voted against this nonsense

With the stroke of a pen politicians turn millions of people minding their own business into criminals.

Voting for the lesser of evils always begets evil. How could so many people thinking they're right be so wrong.

25 posted on 03/29/2003 5:34:50 AM PST by Zon
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To: Zon
Of course it was/is a scam!

If I had my way, the ONLY people not eligible to run for public office would be...lawyers. Never met one I'd invite into my home.

Regards,
26 posted on 03/29/2003 2:46:21 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: metesky
You know, metesky...you're right. I guess I should be on my knees licking Pataki's boots at the boon he has granted us Twisted and Evil Smokers.

What a guy.

Regards,

PS: I thought Pataki was a Hungarian...never met a Greek whose middle name was Elmer...
27 posted on 03/29/2003 2:48:05 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: VermiciousKnid; Clemenza
One of the other posters on this thread commented on how we here in New York truly have no choice but to vote third party -- there is literally NO difference between the GOP and Dems -- and ten bucks says nobody will be able to show me proof otherwise.

I would up that $$ amount even further. Our GOP here in New York is further to the left than many if not most other states Democrats.

Pataki and our GOP are just as bad or even worse than Grey Davis and the liberal Democrats out in California. Yes we only have a $10 Billion deficit compared their $35 Billion but it reality it's much higher. Unlike Davis Pataki doesn't have to have a balanced budget so he can and has borrowed the deficit down and Pataki just passes his spending Boondoggles on to the counties which is one of the reasons why almost every county had double digit tax increases this past year. And even with our deficits Pataki is still planning to add 720,000 more New Yorkers to our already over burdened medicaid.

http://www.health.state.ny.us/nysdoh/fhplus/letter.htm

Hillary Clinton only wishes she could have done half as much to socialize health care as Pataki already has done in New York.

Speaking of which If you read many of the post around here in FR, many people are hoping that Pataki takes out Hillary in 2006. I for one do not. I wouldn't cast a vote for Pataki even if his opponent was Satan himself. I worked for his campaign in 1994 agaist Mario and I am really sorry I did. I am just hoping Dante was right because the lowest pits of hell awaits the ultimate traitor Pataki

Unfortunately as to third party candidates, We don't even have that in New York. Golisano was also a leftist/socialist and the Conservative Party LOL! that's not a real political party it's a scam they back whomever will give their members the most political patronage jobs. So we are talking about 5th and 6th party candidates. A conservative in France or any other socialist European country has better people to vote for than we do in New York.

28 posted on 03/29/2003 3:54:40 PM PST by qam1 (Upstate New York secede from Downstate Now!!)
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To: VermiciousKnid
If I had my way, the ONLY people not eligible to run for public office would be...lawyers. Never met one I'd invite into my home.

I agree 100%. Lawyers making laws is the ultimate inmates running the asylum scenario.

I remember I actually wrote an essay on that in high school, The topic was if you can go back in time and change one thing I wrote I would go back and tell the Founding Fathers to put that in the constitution.

29 posted on 03/29/2003 4:12:44 PM PST by qam1 (Upstate New York secede from Downstate Now!!)
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To: Great Dane
Soooo sorry to disappoint you.

Get well soon.

Thank you, But I am still hoping you are wrong and this is all a terrible dream.

Surprizingly This hasn't been reported anywhere up here so they did do a good job of sneaking it through.

30 posted on 03/29/2003 4:16:24 PM PST by qam1 (Upstate New York secede from Downstate Now!!)
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To: qam1
qam, I couldn't have said it better myself. I hear Virginia's Dems are more GOP than NY GOPers. Is this true? 'Cause I've been surfing on realtor.com & have found lots of lovely properties I'd love to own one day. (Just under 6 years to go and I'm FREEEE!!!)

Regards,
31 posted on 03/29/2003 4:38:28 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: VermiciousKnid
You might be right, after all smoking is the national sport in Greece.
32 posted on 03/29/2003 5:19:19 PM PST by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can)
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To: qam1
The bill had its critics.


Sen. John Sabini, a Democrat who represents New York City's borough of Queens, said the state was doing a disservice to bar and restaurant owners who've built rooms with ventilation systems to comply with an exemption to the city's ban. The state law carries no such exemption.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030327/ap_on_re_us/smoking_ban_2




33 posted on 03/29/2003 5:29:14 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: VermiciousKnid
Hey Pallie,

You can count my family as 'real republicans' in NY. So add another 6 more to your tally! You could count me, but I did good on my promise to leave NYC if Rodham became senator, and I was out within a year of her swearing in!

Life is much better in Las Vegas, NV.
34 posted on 03/29/2003 5:33:25 PM PST by HitmanLV
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To: HitmanNY
Is the leaning tower of Pizza still in Vegas?
35 posted on 03/29/2003 5:38:25 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Hodapp
If RJR and the other cigarette companies had any balls, they'd announce that it was just too expensive to do business in New York, California and any other state with these fascist smoking laws, and announce no more cigarette shipments to those states. *POOF* go tax receipts.

That would be a masterstroke!
(Mind you I have no love for the tobacco companies which gladly took on the role of tax collectors!)

If no tobacco company allowed sales in California and New York, these states could then not legally argue that its citizens had to pay sales tax for buying out of state.

Everybody wins (except the clymers).

36 posted on 03/29/2003 5:53:21 PM PST by Publius6961 (p>)
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To: VermiciousKnid
qam, I couldn't have said it better myself. I hear Virginia's Dems are more GOP than NY GOPers. Is this true? 'Cause I've been surfing on realtor.com & have found lots of lovely properties I'd love to own one day. (Just under 6 years to go and I'm FREEEE!!!)

Well I am not sure exactly in terms of state government but it wouldn't surprise me. Out of 11 (National) House delegates only 4 are Dems, 3 are apparently Liberals but 1 Virgil Goode has a higher lifetime conservative rating than any of the NY GOPers.

In Virginia the Dems are powerless even the Rat governor, The Republicans have a veto proof majority in both houses and unlike New York they actually act like Republicans.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/836004/posts

And Check Out Virginia's Smoking Laws

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+15.2-2801

§ 15.2-2801. Statewide regulation of smoking.

A. The Commonwealth or any agency thereof and every locality shall provide reasonable no-smoking areas, considering the nature of the use and the size of the building, in any building owned or leased by the Commonwealth or any agency thereof or a locality. The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to office, work or other areas of the Department of Corrections which are not entered by the general public in the normal course of business or use of the premises.

B. Smoking shall be prohibited in (i) elevators, regardless of capacity, except in any open material hoist elevator, not intended for use by the public; (ii) public school buses; (iii) the interior of any public elementary, intermediate, and secondary school; (iv) hospital emergency rooms; (v) local or district health departments; (vi) polling rooms; (vii) indoor service lines and cashier lines; (viii) public restrooms in any building owned or leased by the Commonwealth or any agency thereof; (ix) the interior of a child day center licensed pursuant to § 63.2-1701 that is not also used for residential purposes; however, this prohibition shall not apply to any area of a building not utilized by a child day center, unless otherwise prohibited by this chapter; and (x) public restrooms of health care facilities.

C. Any restaurant having a seating capacity of fifty or more persons shall have a designated no-smoking area sufficient to meet customer demand. In determining the extent of the no-smoking area, the following shall not be included as seating capacity: (i) seats in any bar or lounge area of a restaurant and (ii) seats in any separate room or section of a restaurant which is used exclusively for private functions.

D. The proprietor or other person in charge of an educational facility, except any public elementary, intermediate, or secondary school, health care facility, or a retail establishment of 15,000 square feet or more serving the general public, including, but not limited to, department stores, grocery stores, drug stores, clothing stores, shoe stores, and recreational facilities shall designate reasonable no-smoking areas, considering the nature of the use and the size of the building.

E. The proprietor or other person in charge of a space subject to the provisions of this chapter shall post signs conspicuous to public view stating "Smoking Permitted" or "No Smoking," and in restaurants, signs conspicuous to ordinary public view at or near each public entrance stating "No-Smoking Section Available." Any person failing to post such signs may be subject to a civil penalty of not more than twenty-five dollars.

F. No person shall smoke in a designated no-smoking area and any person who continues to smoke in such area after having been asked to refrain from smoking may be subject to a civil penalty of not more than twenty-five dollars.

G. Any law-enforcement officer may issue a summons regarding a violation of this chapter.

H. The provisions of this chapter shall not be construed to regulate smoking in retail tobacco stores, tobacco warehouses or tobacco manufacturing facilities.

(1990, cc. 902, 969, § 15.1-291.2; 1991, c. 601; 1992, c. 827; 1994, cc. 629, 928; 1996, cc. 472, 514, 778; 1997, c.


Good luck on your move, About 3 Months ago a company in Virginia (Well actually Maryland but on the border that I could and would have lived in VA)wanted me to come down an interveiw for a position, I am kicking myself for not following up on it.
37 posted on 03/29/2003 5:59:46 PM PST by qam1 (Upstate New York secede from Downstate Now!!)
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To: HitmanNY
Thank heavens there are more real Pubbies in NY! I thought we were alone!

Regards,

38 posted on 03/29/2003 8:07:07 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: qam1
You should call them back and see if the position is still available. Get out while the getting's good.

Those smoking laws in VA sound reasonable to me...and also like a little bit of heaven. VA has just gone to the top of my list.

Regards,
39 posted on 03/29/2003 8:10:48 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: chance33_98
Well the good news is they must've gotten all the drug gangs locked up then, since the state has resources to devote to this.

Oh, wait, I forgot - I forgot to follow the money! The patrons of restaurants obviously have disposable income - surely they can spare some for this new tax.

40 posted on 03/29/2003 8:14:20 PM PST by P.O.E. (God Bless and keep safe our troops.)
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To: qam1
every republican senator in my state is a rat!

Blow hart is the worst. every liberal paper said vote for him last Nov. Even the gov is worthless.
41 posted on 03/29/2003 8:29:21 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: qam1
check out blow harts web site, he sides with Hillary and slams FR.
42 posted on 03/29/2003 8:30:48 PM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Jhensy
And in a related story, New York officially changed it's name to NAZI GERMANY.

You a'int kidding, Check this S^#! out, A nice website where you can report your fellow citizens to the Gestapo.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/smoke/smoke-complaint.html

Aldolf Hitler and Josef Georbels would be very proud of Bloomberg


43 posted on 03/29/2003 8:50:18 PM PST by qam1 (Upstate New York secede from Downstate Now!!)
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To: qam1
Well said. Of course, you STILL have all of these so called "conservatives" who state that we NEED Pataki to counterbalance Shillary. Of course, we need not take seriously such people who fail to realize that Pataki is taking us as far to the left as Cuomo ever would.

I miss having Jeb Bush as my Governor.

44 posted on 03/29/2003 8:57:16 PM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: rmlew; Cacique; PARodrig; NYC GOP Chick
NY RINO Ping!
45 posted on 03/29/2003 9:01:00 PM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: Jhensy
Not really, those of us who still insist on living here refer to it as The Peoples Republic of New York.

Has a nice ring to it, don't you think? Seriously, the state deficit is in the billions, and this is where the politicans' priorities are.

46 posted on 03/29/2003 9:01:41 PM PST by Dazedcat
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To: qam1
Disgusting.

I'm tempted to FReep this report form website...I can think of one restauranteur who vocally supported the ban -- even going so far as to appear in radio ads. I think maybe I'll report HIS restaurant. Over and over and over and over...

Regards,
47 posted on 03/29/2003 9:04:51 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: Jhensy; All
Don't forget these are the same people who told us Christian -inspired laws are oppressive.
48 posted on 03/29/2003 9:39:48 PM PST by Lady Eileen
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To: chance33_98
Hurray!!!!! Who says all the news is bad these days? Looks like these "common sense laws", are gaining momentum all around the country. It's about time!!!!
49 posted on 04/07/2003 10:55:26 AM PDT by JesusSaves
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To: Hodapp
"God help us poor boobs out in flyover country. This kind of stupidity is headed our way too". Yes, and it can't get here too soon!
50 posted on 04/07/2003 11:00:04 AM PDT by JesusSaves
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