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SARS is much worse than is being reported
Personal American friends living in Hong Kong | CometBaby

Posted on 03/29/2003 5:30:08 AM PST by CometBaby

My American friends living in Hong Kong called last night. The SARS in Hong Kong is much worse than has been reported. China has been fudging on the number of cases. He said that the number of new infections have been DOUBLING DAILY. It's spreading like wildfire. It's more contageous than has been admitted and there is no cure. The schools have all closed and many workplaces are not requiring employees to come in. They expect the Airport to CLOSE .. nobody knows exactly when, and people are scrambling to get out of the country before it does. The hospitals are all full and they plan to begin to quaranteen people in their homes.

He said that walking in Hong Kong is absolutely surreal .. everyone is wearing masks. And another thing .. they are running out of masks. It's really bad.


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1 posted on 03/29/2003 5:30:08 AM PST by CometBaby
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To: CometBaby
If that turns out to be the case liberals will replace AIDS with SARS as the next politically correct disease to expend government funds upon.
2 posted on 03/29/2003 5:31:50 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: CometBaby
Just..damn.
3 posted on 03/29/2003 5:31:54 AM PST by AntiGuv ()
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To: CometBaby
Guess who's gotta fly to Beijing from Taiwan next Friday. (Hint--his screen name starts with a Z)
4 posted on 03/29/2003 5:31:54 AM PST by zook
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To: CometBaby
Welcome to The Stand.
5 posted on 03/29/2003 5:32:41 AM PST by 11B3 (.308 holes make invisible souls. Belt fed liberal eraser.)
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To: goldstategop
Unlikely as SARS doesn't target politically protected groups like homosexuals.
6 posted on 03/29/2003 5:34:10 AM PST by Vigilanteman
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To: Mother Abigail; CathyRyan
ping.
7 posted on 03/29/2003 5:34:11 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen (Godspeed Ronald Young. Douglas county is praying for you to make it home.)
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To: CometBaby
>>It's more contageous than has been admitted <<

Actually, CDC has been very forthcoming about this. We know exactly how contagious it is.

We are not acting as if we know what to do about it-but we certainly are not covering anything up with regard to the extreme "contagiousness" of the SARS agent.

8 posted on 03/29/2003 5:34:22 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: CometBaby
It is especially frightening that there is a war going on, which will inevitably cause dislocations of people, and along with that a vehicle to spread disease. Didn't WWI contribute to the horrible influenza epidemic at that time?
9 posted on 03/29/2003 5:34:49 AM PST by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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To: CometBaby
>>They expect the Airport to CLOSE <<

It's not Hong Kong that needs to close-it's OUR international airports that need to close to flights from Asia.

10 posted on 03/29/2003 5:35:47 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: CometBaby
All Public schools in Singapore are now closed and the hospitals are full. Yes it is crazy.

All Schools in Singapore closed

11 posted on 03/29/2003 5:35:54 AM PST by expatguy
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To: CholeraJoe
ping.
12 posted on 03/29/2003 5:37:22 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: goldstategop
This is not a politically correct disease and I would not reference it in that manner. It is not going to target a specific group of people. It is AIRBORN and that means it is highly contageous. There is no reason to think it is going to be limited to Hong Kong. It is going to affect EVERYONE.
13 posted on 03/29/2003 5:37:49 AM PST by CometBaby
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To: goldstategop
"If that turns out to be the case liberals will replace AIDS with SARS as the next politically correct disease to expend government funds upon."

I think you are incorrect. This disease is not spread mostly by homosexual behavior!

14 posted on 03/29/2003 5:39:49 AM PST by Dacus943
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To: CometBaby
I agree. I was being sarcastic about the way health issues have been hijacked for political advantage by our Left. Let's all hope SARS doesn't become another pandemic.
15 posted on 03/29/2003 5:40:20 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: Jim Noble
We just returned from a trip to the Casino. People were packed into those places. Considering we touched the same slots and money, breathed the same air...it wouldn't be hard to spread the disease in a Casino.

Lot's of Orientals go to gamble at Vegas.

sw

16 posted on 03/29/2003 5:40:27 AM PST by spectre (spectre's wife)
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To: grania
Do a FR search for:

The Influenza Pandemic of 1918

Regards

J.R.

17 posted on 03/29/2003 5:43:06 AM PST by NMC EXP
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To: CometBaby
As I mentioned on another thread, Steven Quayle was on Coast to Coast Fri. night talking about this SARS. His website is extremely interesting. I would provide a link to it, but I don't know how to do it. Apparently some scientist working in a bio weapons lab in China unwittingly carried it off and began the outbreak.

Another thing he mentioned was that somewhere they were digging up the graves of people who had died of the spanish flu in the 1918 epidemic for the purposes of collecting the virus and replicating it in the lab.

18 posted on 03/29/2003 5:44:12 AM PST by FrdmLvr ("No more is the image of America one of strong, yet benevolent peacekeeper.)
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To: CometBaby
http://www.who.int/csr/sarscountry/2003_03_27/en/

Cumulative Number of Reported Cases (SARS)


From: 1 Feb 2003 To: 27 Mar 2003, 17:30 GMT+1

Country Cumulative number of case(s) Number of deaths Local transmission*
Canada  28  3  Yes
China +  806 34  Yes
China, Hong Kong Special Administrative Region   367  10**  Yes
China, Taiwan  6  0  Yes
France  1  0  None
Germany  4  0  None
Italy  2  0  None
Republic of Ireland  2  0  None
Romania  3  0  None
Singapore  78  2  Yes
Switzerland  2  0  To be determined
Thailand  3  0  None
United Kingdom  3  0  None
United States  45 §  0  To be determined
Viet Nam  58  4  Yes
Total 1408 53  

Notes:
Cumulative number of cases includes number of deaths.

As SARS is a diagnosis of exclusion, the status of a reported case may change over time. This means that previously reported cases may be discarded after further investigation and follow-up.

*National public health authorities report to WHO on the areas in which local chain(s) of transmission is/are occurring. These areas are provided on the list of Affected Areas.

+ 792 cases, including 31 deaths, reported from Guangdong Province cover the period 16 November 2002 to 28 February 2003. These cases were compiled from investigations as well as hospital reports and may include suspect as well as probable cases of SARS.

§Due to differences in the case definitions being used at a national level, probable cases are reported by all countries except the United States of America, which is reporting suspect cases under investigation.

**One death attributed to Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of China occurred in a case medically transferred from Viet Nam.

19 posted on 03/29/2003 5:44:22 AM PST by Brian Mosely
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To: Dacus943
You're right its not affecting politically protected groups right now. Still its not too much to hope that the medical advice will be take seriously by every one. One thinks of how people ignored AIDS til it spread beyond control and no one wanted to offend gays as documented in Randy Shilts' book And The Band Played On. The last thing we need is professional medical judgment again being compromised by political considerations.
20 posted on 03/29/2003 5:44:32 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: spectre
Lot's of Orientals go to gamble at Vegas.

You mean Asians?

21 posted on 03/29/2003 5:45:28 AM PST by PackerBoy
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To: CometBaby
Seems to me someone should start checking to see if this
virus or whatever has been man made (produced) and distributed on purpose starting in China.......to be carried......

oscharbob
22 posted on 03/29/2003 5:47:07 AM PST by oscharbob
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To: Dacus943
But SARS could become an issue with AIDS activists because it seems it would be more likely to attack someone with a compromised immune system, as those with AIDS.
23 posted on 03/29/2003 5:48:00 AM PST by dawn53
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To: CometBaby
I read this was first identified in Western China. Sounds like possibly a Biological Weapon that got away a little early. Caused by a Coronavirus, not treatable with antibiotics, just general support and wait for the body to gain control. potentially worse than anthrax. Hope I'm wrong, but this could get nasty.
24 posted on 03/29/2003 5:50:16 AM PST by Air Force Born
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To: dawn53
I can think of some people being more susceptible than others. Not every one has died from SARS and all the doomsday reporting make it sound like the long heralded arrival of Captain Trips.
25 posted on 03/29/2003 5:50:17 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: Jim Noble
It's not Hong Kong that needs to close-it's OUR international airports that need to close to flights from Asia

What? Who will US corporations hire? US citizens? (sarcasm)

26 posted on 03/29/2003 5:51:30 AM PST by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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To: grania
Have the ChiComs found the perfect weapon yet? <sarcasm
27 posted on 03/29/2003 5:53:22 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: zook
zook? You take care!
29 posted on 03/29/2003 5:55:52 AM PST by WaterDragon (Playing possum doesn't work against nukes.)
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To: WaterDragon
Thanks. We've wrestled with this decision for a while now. If things get worse by this coming Wednesday, we'll cancel. But after weighing all the reasons (for example, we're already in Taiwan, a country with over 100 cases of its own) we are "go" for now.

But thanks again for your thoughts!
30 posted on 03/29/2003 6:02:28 AM PST by zook
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To: PackerBoy
Whatever...

sw

31 posted on 03/29/2003 6:03:27 AM PST by spectre (spectre's wife)
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To: FrdmLvr
Steve's web site is www.stevequayle.com. He is a great friend of mine. Take him very seriously. His information and sources are proven.
32 posted on 03/29/2003 6:03:32 AM PST by Montana4Jesus
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To: CometBaby
"By the fall of 1918 a strain of influenza seemingly no different from that of previous years suddenly turned so deadly, and engendered such a state of panic and chaos in communities across the globe, that many people believed the world was coming to an end. It struck with amazing speed, often killing its victims within just hours of the first signs of infection."

The 1918 Spanish Flu Pandemic
33 posted on 03/29/2003 6:04:34 AM PST by oh8eleven
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To: NFifty15
Ebola is not a very sturdy disease.

SARS has already proven that it can travel on long international flights; that's how it appeared in Toronto. It is highly contagious.

Onve it spreads to hundreds of thousands and tens of thousands die, it may be too late to prevent a general worldwide outbreak.

34 posted on 03/29/2003 6:05:13 AM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: NFifty15
I personally think this "disease" is way overblown in the media. Another one of those fears of the week. 53 dead in how many countries? Heck, ebola wipes out that many in some backwater African village in a few days.

I think so, too. Think about it--every year here in the USA we have normal flu outbreaks that kills hundreds of people per flu season and it doesn't get the attention that SARS is getting nowadays.

From what I read about the flu pandemic in 1918, that disease spread like wildfire due to the conditions of war (World War I) and also the fact back in 1918 personal hygiene was nowhere as good as it is today. Thanks to our modern medical knowledge, the spread of SARS is a lot less than it should have been despite the sensationalist reports from the Asian press.

Now, if SARS had suddenly killed several thousand people in a matter of days THEN we should have be concerned.

35 posted on 03/29/2003 6:09:09 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: Montana4Jesus
Steve Quayle was AWESOME! on Coast to Coast Fri. night (3-28). It was an extremely information-dense show.
36 posted on 03/29/2003 6:09:59 AM PST by FrdmLvr ("No more is the image of America one of strong, yet benevolent peacekeeper.)
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To: CometBaby
Today's SARS threads, for those who want it all!:

Screening for SARS at Pearson Blasted -- Toronto Airport
Virus may have crossed species barrier
Second hospital ordered closed SARS Toronto
Fears spread through HK as more infected with SARS
Quarantine is not slowing SARS
Mandatory quarantine a SARS option

37 posted on 03/29/2003 6:12:19 AM PST by TaxRelief
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To: NFifty15
This is a virulent influenza, but certainly not the worst we've ever seen. Most people apparently respond well to treatment. Suppressed immune systems are more at risk than those of us who are healthy. Those people should take extra precautions.
38 posted on 03/29/2003 6:12:59 AM PST by Trust but Verify
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To: goldstategop
If that turns out to be the case liberals will replace AIDS with SARS as the next politically correct disease to expend government funds upon.

And they'll find a way to blame Reagan for it.

39 posted on 03/29/2003 6:13:06 AM PST by AAABEST
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To: FrdmLvr
If you go to the "Q-Files" tab on his web site you can listen to his regular radio show every night at 5:00 MST.
40 posted on 03/29/2003 6:13:59 AM PST by Montana4Jesus
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To: CometBaby
SARS is a problem. Mortality rate is about 4%. The mortality rate of our present Iraq war for our troops is not even close to this and hopefully will never reach this level.

My best advise is to fit yourself for a N95 respirator and pray we devlop a vaccine. These are made by Moldex and are intended to prevent spread of TB but should work very well to stop airborne spread of SARS.
41 posted on 03/29/2003 6:16:01 AM PST by urodoc
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To: Brian Mosely
Hong Kong SARS Cases
DAY DATE TOTAL CASES DAILY INCREASE WEEK INCREASE
wed 03/19 150
thu 03/20 173 15.33%
Fri 03/21 203 17.34%
Sat 03/22 222 9.36%
Sun 03/23 247 11.26%
Mon 03/24 260 5.26%
Tue 03/25 286 10.00%
Wed 03/26 316 10.49% 110.67%
Thu 03/27 367 16.14% 112.14%
Fri 03/28 425 15.80% 109.36%
Sat 03/29
AVERAGES 11.90% 111.40%

42 posted on 03/29/2003 6:16:32 AM PST by per loin
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To: oh8eleven
We are almost at the end of flu season. That makes a big difference.
43 posted on 03/29/2003 6:20:22 AM PST by TaxRelief
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To: per loin
Health Canada and the US INS are sick jokes.

Tens of thousands of North Americans are going to needlessly die because these evil, incompetent bureaucrats refuse to use simple public health measures to stop this completely preventable disease NOW.

And I predict a massive blow to our economy when this disease becomes endemic, once a critical mass of cases is allowed to exist. Our cities and workplaces will be ghost towns for months!

44 posted on 03/29/2003 6:24:13 AM PST by friendly
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To: PackerBoy
I was taught in a gradeschool History class that "Orientals" were the people from China, Japan, etc. and "Occidentals" were people not from these areas. Never understood how it was offensive to call Asians "Orientals".

Anyone know the origin of the offense?

45 posted on 03/29/2003 6:27:48 AM PST by Textide
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To: goldstategop
Hong Kong is full of hardworking Chinese people. If HK gets shut down by the disease, most likely the leftists will gloat that an important center of commerce was closed. Hong Kong represents a mixture of some of the best things in Asian and Western culture. AIDS was the perfect politically-correct disease ironically because it made victims of people doing what the left sanctions (the gay lifestyle and promiscuity in general, and the drug culture--some of the most self-destructive elements in our society). It will be hard to make a "victim class" out of people who share the trait of happening to breathe air. Maybe the left will argue that SARS is a good thing because of overpopulation--the left seems to welcome disasters as long as they affect "those people" on the other side of the globe. The flu pandemic of 1918 claimed millions of lives. Today people are much more mobile. We don't even know how long someone can be infected with SARS before symptoms appear. It will be interesting to see what political fallout will happen if this disease is man-made. It reminds me of a line in the movie "The Great Dictator," "I have just discovered the most wonderful weapon--it will kill EVERYBODY!"
46 posted on 03/29/2003 6:29:40 AM PST by Wilhelm Tell (Lurking since 1997!)
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To: TaxRelief
I don't mean to sound gloomy, but often the flu that the far east has in the spring is the flu the US has in the fall.
47 posted on 03/29/2003 6:33:12 AM PST by Judith Anne (God bless our soldiers with swift victory...)
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To: Wilhelm Tell
By Tay Han Nee and Jacqueline Wong

HONG KONG/SINGAPORE, March 29 (Reuters) - Hong Kong and Singapore reported more cases on Saturday of a fast-spreading pneumonia that has killed 54 people worldwide as the United States urged Americans to postpone travel to parts of Asia.

But Vietnam played down the threat from the deadly virus and said the country was safe for visitors.

Severe acute respiratory syndrome or SARS has infected about 1,500 people globally. The World Health Organisation believes the disease, which has flu-like symptoms, started in China's Guangdong province last November.

As the number of cases grew, a Hong Kong health official said the infection could transmitted by air. "We've never ruled out the possibility that the disease might be airborne," said Director of Health Margaret Chan. An airborne virus will spread quicker than one carried by droplets.

Scientists say the virus is a new strain from the family of coronaviruses, which is the second leading cause of the common cold. For weeks now, they have said the virus is passed through droplets, such as in sneezing or coughing.

The Bank of China (Hong Kong) Ltd became the latest financial institution in the territory to announce it had shut a branch for two days from Saturday after an employee contracted the disease.

Hong Kong's Social Welfare Department also shut a floor at one of its district offices on Saturday for disinfection after one of its workers fell ill.

On Friday, banking giant HSBC Holdings and computer maker Hewlett-Packard shut some of their operations in the territory as an employee in each company was feared to have been infected.

With 11 people dead and 425 infected, Hong Kong on Saturday imposed stricter screenings on all arriving travellers.

The disease has killed 34 in mainland China and infected over 800, although authorities say the situation there is now under control. Four are dead in Vietnam, three in Canada and two in Singapore.

MOTOROLA WORKER INFECTED

The virus did little to dampen the mood at the Hong Kong Rugby Sevens, though the number of attendees on the opening day fell to over 15,000 from more than 24,000 last year.

"It's incredibly unlikely that I'll get it. It's only infected 425 people out of seven million (in Hong Kong)," said British publisher Lawrence Bell, who added he had no qualms about sharing beers with his friends.

In Singapore, mobile phone maker Motorola said one of its workers had been infected, causing it to pull around 530 production staff from the factory floor.

Motorola was informed on Thursday that a night-shift worker had contracted the virus. It asked the night-shift workers not to report to work as a precaution.

"A number of that total will be receiving the (quarantine) order. It's going to be a proportion of that total number," a spokeswoman for Motorola, the world's number two wireless phone maker, told Reuters.

The city-state has nearly doubled the number of people quarantined, ordering 1,514 citizens to stay home. It has shut schools for 10 days.

The number of people infected with the virus in the tiny state rose to 86 on Friday from 78 a day earlier, the government said. Those in serious condition rose to 12 from 11, it said.

Washington urged Americans to put off non-essential travel to mainland China, Hong Kong, Singapore and Hanoi to avoid outbreaks of the disease.

But Vietnam, where the virus has killed four medical workers and infected 62 people in Hanoi, says it is no longer a threat.

Speaking to a Pacific Asia Tourism Association conference, Vietnam Deputy Prime Minister Vu Khoan said the gathering underscored the view that Vietnam was a "safe and friendly destination."

"It's very clear that now this problem has been solved," Khoan told reporters after addressing the first big business meeting since the outbreak of the disease.

Deputy Minister of Health Nguyen Van Thuong said in an interview with state-run Vietnam Television: "The community is clean and there are no more threats."

Tourism is an important revenue earner for Vietnam, which saw 2.6 million foreign visitors last year.

48 posted on 03/29/2003 6:33:40 AM PST by per loin
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To: You Dirty Rats
SARS has already proven that it can travel on long international flights; that's how it appeared in Toronto. It is highly contagious.

Once it spreads to hundreds of thousands and tens of thousands die, it may be too late to prevent a general worldwide outbreak.

Another thing to look at: there appears to be about a 30:1 survival rate. That is to say, for every 30 people that have gotten the disease (based on the above numbers), 1 person will die. Think about an outbreak at a local school.

49 posted on 03/29/2003 6:40:47 AM PST by meyer
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To: Vigilanteman
... SARS doesn't target politically protected groups like homosexuals.

I'm going to say something not politically correct ... AIDS, which in fact does target the gay community, will make those with the disease, be it active or in some form of remission, extremely vulnerable to SARS. If SARS continues to spread worldwide those stricken with AIDS will get a double whammy ... it will be devastating.

50 posted on 03/29/2003 6:43:58 AM PST by BluH2o
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