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Dead US soldier hung on public display
The Age ^ | 4/1/2003 | AFP

Posted on 03/31/2003 5:51:55 PM PST by sjersey

US Marines moved into the southern Iraqi town of Shatrah today to recover the body of a dead comrade which had been hanged in the town square, officers said.

Hundreds of troops were dispatched on the operation after intelligence reports indicated the body of a dead American, who was killed in a firefight last week, had been paraded through the streets and hanged in public.

"We would like to retrieve the body of the marine but it is not our sole purpose," said Lieutenant-Colonel Pete Owen, of the First Marine Expeditionary Force.

Military sources said another part of the operation was to arm local militias to fight against members of the ruling Baath party loyal to Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

Shatrah is some 40 km north of Nasiriyah, where Iraqi forces have been harassing US supply lines and putting up tough resistance for more than a week.


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KEYWORDS: body; genevaconvention; illegaltactics; iraq; mistreatedprisoners; noredcross; pow; savages; shatrah; torture; warcrime; warcrimes; warlist
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To: jcmfreedom
but that piece of trivia might enlighten others as to their mind-set.

There's the "wild card" in bringing freedom to the middleast.
But the alternative (leaveing things alone) hasnt been workin.
101 posted on 03/31/2003 7:06:12 PM PST by mylife
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To: sjersey
And @#%*ing ABC News in all its TV and radio coverage is hand-wringing about the Iraqis who wouldn't halt at the checkpoint -- while these atrocities are being committed against our warriors! Whose side are Jennings & Co. on? (asks he rhetorically)
102 posted on 03/31/2003 7:10:03 PM PST by Hibernius Druid (Perseverantia Vincit!)
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To: ruready4eternity
"If I were a soldier right now, with all respect ... I may lose my mind and shoot all :incoming enemy ..."

I would hope you would "shoot all the incomong enemy".

I think what you meant to say is that you would indiscriminately shoot people for revenge. You wouldn't. If you were a soldier, your training would stop you.
103 posted on 03/31/2003 7:17:51 PM PST by VMI70 (...but two Wrights made an airplane)
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To: Howlin; All
Tonight I can honestly say I'm grateful I'm getting old and will die soon. I don't think I want to see what you younger ones will see in 10 more years. They're so unspeakably evil..
104 posted on 03/31/2003 7:36:46 PM PST by Humidston (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law)
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To: Humidston
I love you for calling me a "young one," but I know exactly what you are talking about.

Remember back when Iran had our hostages and every single night we saw those nasty people in front of the embassy gates?

I said then that you can't argue with that kind of fanaticism.

IMO, we should have started THEN. It just may be too late now, if you're watching international news now.
105 posted on 03/31/2003 7:38:50 PM PST by Howlin
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To: sjersey
MOAB
106 posted on 03/31/2003 7:40:10 PM PST by soozla (We fought communism, we're fighting terrorism BUT liberalism will bring this country down!!)
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To: Howlin; All
The Battle of Babylon....as Michael Savage put it tonight. That keeps EVERYTHING in perspective (for me).
107 posted on 03/31/2003 7:41:32 PM PST by Bradís Gramma
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To: sjersey
If President Bush were to ask me what to do to help our troops gain victory, I'd proudly tell him to send the embeds home and unleash our dogs of war on the Iraqi thug vermin soldiers.

PC should mean Pulverizing Combat, imho.

108 posted on 03/31/2003 7:44:01 PM PST by harpo11 (Godspeed Brave USA Troops! My Families Thoughts and Prayers are Being Sent to YOU!)
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To: Howlin
You're right. Pres. Carter pulled the rug out from under the friendly regime of the Shah of Iran because of his less than pure record on human rights. This led to Arab fanaticism capturing Iran and the hearts and minds of the whole Arab middle east, and brought about a thousand times as many human rights abuses. That plus Clinton's do nothing policy after the first WTC and Cole attacks, and the Mogadishu pull-out. Saddam's regime thinks that a larger scale Mogadishu would scare the American soldiers and the American public and cause us to slink away. The truth is that the American public would have backed a U.S. President to the hilt for going after the baddies full force in Somalia. Of course since Clinton ordered the Op and refused requests for adequate armor, he wanted it swept under the table. The Japanese miscalculated the same way the Saddamites have done. It is just making our military, our President and our fellow Americans more determined to wipe this regime off the face of the earth.
109 posted on 03/31/2003 7:46:03 PM PST by razorbak
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To: sweetliberty
That is what separates us from them. We are human. They are demons.

We are human and they are human. What distinguishes us from them is that we are a just and mighty nation, as Yamamoto counciled.

110 posted on 03/31/2003 7:47:59 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: razorbak
I agree with every single word you wrote. Every one of them.

I am sick of hearing the "we backed these despots" argument. We did, but now we KNOW better. Where does it say we cannot correct errors made in the past.

And I bet there are more than a few "leaders" in the world today who are shocked that George Bush meant what he said.
111 posted on 03/31/2003 7:51:24 PM PST by Howlin
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To: aruanan
"Don't read very well, do you?"

So you excuse your poor skills of communication by blaming the readers compremension?
112 posted on 03/31/2003 7:52:53 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell ( The liberal left is using weapons of mass deception.)
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To: Howlin
IMO, we should have started THEN

Yes we should have and I wish we had. We postponed it more than a generation.

113 posted on 03/31/2003 7:54:28 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Howlin
Where does it say we cannot correct errors made in the past.

It brings to mind ol' Charlie Bengal the other night, saying our boys are bombing women and children. God, we have so much work to do - right here at home! ...Breathtaking!

114 posted on 03/31/2003 7:56:44 PM PST by Humidston (Do not remove this tag under penalty of law)
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To: txradioguy
War isn't fair and can't be fought fairly. We're Americans. We ARE better than they are. How many more American lives would have been lost in the Pacific if President Truman hadn't made the decision to use the atomic bombs on Japan? Would you have rather that war continue for godonlyknows how much longer and forgone the chance to end the war as quickly as it did?
115 posted on 03/31/2003 7:57:16 PM PST by proudofthesouth
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To: sjersey
Never Forget
116 posted on 03/31/2003 7:58:05 PM PST by drq
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To: jwalsh07
In fact, I believe we could have "stomached" it back then if Carter had done the right thing, do you?

I'll never forget being at a party one night and realizing the people there -- our friends, boomers -- were all saying we should nuke them.

I was never anti-war. Ever. But it was quite a shock to me that my peers who supposedly came from that generation were ready to go to war.
117 posted on 03/31/2003 8:01:11 PM PST by Howlin
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To: ruready4eternity; hchutch
Well... What rules are there? Is the DAMN U.S still fighting a PC war? I am telling you this is got to stop. Get the damn "BIG ONE" and finish this bastard off. Let nothing live in IRAQ for 50 years. I can handle that. Get the game over with .!!!

He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. -- Friedrich Nietzsche

118 posted on 03/31/2003 8:04:27 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: ruready4eternity; hchutch
Thats why I may never get into the Militery. I may not be able to handle it

Then kindly STFD & STFU, and leave this to the people who actually have the temperment for doing a dangerous job, and doing it well. Kindly stick to playing Doom.

119 posted on 03/31/2003 8:06:24 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: txradioguy
WORTH REPEATING...

Ok we already are bombing the hell out of every little rathole we suspect Saddam of hiding in. We have already altered the ROE because of the milita and we paid for it today by killing 7 women and children. We played into Saddam's hands on that one. If you were a soldier and had that "kill 'em all" mentality and you were in my squad, I'd take away your weapon and put you behind a desk. I AM a soldier. I have seen what an enemy without morals or a conscience can do. I think about it everytime I look at the video of friends, DEAD friends I had who died in Somalia. When they got killed, did it make me want to personally put a bullet in Mohammed Aideed's skull? You bet. Did it make me wanna unload my ammo clip into every Somali I saw? HELL NO. Because as a soldier I had and still have discipline! You get the ones who did this and let the innocents carry on. Revenge is a dish served cold. The Marines will "get some" for this heinous act. But they'll get the ones who did it. Not everyone who comes into sight.
120 posted on 03/31/2003 8:07:32 PM PST by stlnative (If it were not for the soldier there would not be no land of the free)
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To: Ligeia
I wonder if the US Military is trying to downplay and coverup the full horrible details, because they don't want our soldiers to get crazy over it.

Why would the initial reports say that he was strung up, and now they're saying no?

121 posted on 03/31/2003 8:11:23 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Howlin
To be honest, I don't know. I do know that the military was in very bad straits back in the post Vietnam Era, I was in it for a couple of those years.

I do know my brother sat on the Ike in the Persian Gulf for a year and he would have been more than happy to pull the trigger on the nuke. He hasn't mellowed in all those years either. :-}

122 posted on 03/31/2003 8:11:40 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Gasshog
"I dont feel badly for anyone of them that is wiped-out man, woman, or child - think, their survival could mean your extinction or your childrens children."

You really make an interesting point. When you think about it, Saddam himself was once a little boy. Look what he grew up to be. How many people would still be alive today if he had somehow not made it past childhood? I certainly don't think the Coalition forces should deliberately try to kill the innocent, but it is sobering to imagine what some of those innocents will grow up to be. We'll still be dealing with them decades from now.

123 posted on 03/31/2003 8:11:42 PM PST by TXBlair (Visualize whirreled peas)
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To: Ciexyz
I wonder if the US Military is trying to downplay and coverup the full horrible details, because they don't want our soldiers to get crazy over it.

No, they'd let the facts stand. That's MacNamara's military you're thinking of. Besides, if the second report is the accurate one, an atrocity was still committed and should be treated accordingly.

124 posted on 03/31/2003 8:49:35 PM PST by Ligeia
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To: Ligeia
That's MacNamara's military you're thinking of.

Thanks, that sounds right. And yes, an atrocity was committed, and will surely be dealt with.

125 posted on 03/31/2003 9:34:38 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: river rat; RaceBannon; LadyX
Your Corps is a terrible thing when provoked. I think Chesty Puller would be proud of these Marines. Semper Fi to all Marines, Old Corps and the Young'uns. And thank you USMC for keeping all of us safe at such a cost. God's grace go with the family of the deceased Marine. And His rage and that of the Corps against the scum we fight against.
126 posted on 03/31/2003 9:41:06 PM PST by CARepubGal
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To: Poohbah
" God is dead." - Nietzsche
" Nietzsche is dead, God."
127 posted on 03/31/2003 9:47:33 PM PST by ClearBlueSky
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To: river rat
They have turned these young Marines into a blooded killing machine that will bring havoc to the lives of those bastards.....
At the core, it's STILL the Corps!

And Thank God, they are NOT like the Fedayeen thugs who use women and children as shields. They don't want to harm civilians, and for those who think they ought to mow them all down to get to the Fedayeen, remember something. Those Marines may not have a lot of nightmares about killing Iraqi Army and Fedayeen when this thing is all said and done, but it would grieve them to the end of their days if they had to kill innocent people.

The soldiers who had to shoot to stop that car in Najaf today are hurting terribly. I'd hate for many more of our guys to have to live with that horror!

128 posted on 03/31/2003 9:48:06 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ
I hate hearing this "those who perpetrate these acts will be prosecuted as war criminals". All I can think is "la-de-da -- whoooooo -- scared now.".

I would rather we remind the freaking world of what our military is capable of -- so that individual soldiers don't have to carry it out.

129 posted on 03/31/2003 9:51:37 PM PST by Naspino
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To: cavtrooper21
"...I don't see how our Marines can keep from wiping out these lowlife thugs that would do this! These Iraqi troops loyal to Saddam are the lowest form of scum! Other words are not printable!..."

Tens of millions of the Islamaniacs are gonna have to die before they realize that they're facing extinction.

I'm not just talking about Iraq! ............FRegards, Barry/gonzo

130 posted on 03/31/2003 10:01:19 PM PST by gonzo (Everybody's got one - some people ARE one........)
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To: PhiKapMom
Never piss-off a Marine............FRegards
131 posted on 03/31/2003 10:02:57 PM PST by gonzo (Everybody's got one - some people ARE one........)
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To: sjersey
Dear God,Prayers for the parents and loved ones,We love him very much and God has him now.
132 posted on 03/31/2003 10:04:01 PM PST by fatima (I have been fine,thinking about bad guys and good guys.)
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To: PoisedWoman
The fools have no idea what kind of he-double hockey sticks is about to rain down on them!
Semper Fi
133 posted on 03/31/2003 10:07:20 PM PST by placebo
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To: txradioguy
Way to tell it, Bubba. That summed it up entirely.

A soldier without honor is just a thug with a uniform. I would have turned in my uniform and stripes before dealing in what some here are calling for.

The loudest bunch here probably never wore so much as a Girl Scout uniform.

United States Army, Retired.
134 posted on 03/31/2003 10:17:11 PM PST by JackelopeBreeder ("Push to test." <Click!> "Release to detonate." Oops...)
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To: Howlin
I'm sick of it too, because we did not ... it's a myth.
135 posted on 03/31/2003 10:32:05 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Ligeia; kdf1; AMERIKA; Lancey Howard; MudPuppy; SMEDLEYBUTLER; opbuzz; Snow Bunny; gitmogrunt; ...
The Marine was part of an air-wing support squadron making its way north late at night when it was hit by rocket-propelled grenades and machine-gun fire.

Air Wing Support Squadron. Just like mine. MASS-1 or MASS-2 or MASS-3 maybe??

136 posted on 03/31/2003 10:33:19 PM PST by RaceBannon
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To: Diogenesis
The quality of mercy is not strain'd,
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath: it is twice blest;
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes:
'Tis mightiest in the mightiest:
it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown;
His sceptre shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
But mercy is above this sceptred sway;
It is enthroned in the hearts of kings,
It is an attribute to God himself;
And earthly power doth then show likest God's
When mercy tempers justice.

The Merchant of Venice
William Shakespeare

137 posted on 04/01/2003 12:23:24 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Kenno
Maybe that Columbian professor should get a taste of what he wishes on our soldires.

Tar and feathering and riding him on a splintery rail out of town.

138 posted on 04/01/2003 12:34:38 AM PST by happygrl
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To: sarasmom
"The Age" is the big daily paper in Melbourne, AS. I was TAD there with the USN to support a port visit last May02. I read the paper every day. It remeinded me of the Star Ledger, in Newark, NJ. A liberal paper...but still with some standards. Semper Fidelis!!
139 posted on 04/01/2003 12:57:47 AM PST by MCFujiTanker
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To: Mihalis
And we all know that Mohamed is the only founder of a major religion who was a full time soldier.

Thank you for the insight.

Jesus was led to his slaughter, like a lamb; Mohammed slaughtered others like lambs.

140 posted on 04/01/2003 1:13:12 AM PST by happygrl
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To: fatima
Dear God,Prayers for the parents and loved ones,We love him very much and God has him now.

Amen Sister Freeper.

141 posted on 04/01/2003 1:26:40 AM PST by happygrl
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To: proudofthesouth
I think you've been listening to the news reports a little too closely. Ok, we've had less than 50 soldiers KIA and a little over 100 WIA. and 7 are POW's. Tell me how many other wars have had such low casulty rates after two weeks of direct combat action with the enemy? It's never happened before in the history of war. Every loss of American blood is tragic. But you can't fight a war in a vaccum. Some will pay the ultimate sacrifice in this liberation of Iraq. And they KNEW that might happen when they went. They KNEW it might happen when they enlisted. But to start calling for drastic measures like atomic weapons when so few American lives have been lost is senseless and silly. We used the A-Bomb in WW II because we were looking at a conservative estimate of 100,000 (I think the number is right) lives lost if we took the Jappanese home islands. We'd already lost 50,000 in the island campaign. In that situation dropping the bomb made sense. In Iraq, dropping the bomb makes no sense at all.
142 posted on 04/01/2003 4:09:06 AM PST by txradioguy (HOOAH! Not just a word, A way of life!)
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To: sjersey
They hanged people from lampposts around Baghdad after the Baath took control in July 1968.
143 posted on 04/01/2003 4:13:06 AM PST by goldstategop
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To: cavtrooper21
>Death to ALL who were responsible for this...

I'm sure the soldier already took out the entire batallion single handedly
144 posted on 04/01/2003 6:07:32 AM PST by yay (Philadelphia - The 104% voter turnout city)
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To: sjersey
My heart breaks
145 posted on 04/01/2003 6:27:38 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: txradioguy
A million Mogadishus will only work if the President is a fickle pathetic twerp like Clinton.

A President can take an incident like Mogadishu and do one of two things. He can either protect his own a$$, turn tail and run, or he can use it as a rallying point for the troops and the people to carry the war to the enemy. Clinton took the former path, GWB will take the latter.

The fact that the Islamakazis to do not understand this shows a blind spot in their understanding of our culture. To them, all infidels are interchangeable. Soft, weak and without resolve. They do not comprehend that underneath the layer of fat is a core of muscle, and that all American leaders are not pathetic wretches, only interested in short-term polling and the next election. But they are finding out now.

Osama and Saddam learned the lessons of the last war all too well. The use of Feyadeen and Technicals in Iraq is a direct application of the "successful" techniques employed in Somalia. But they are fighting a different enemy now. We also learned the lessons of Mogadishu and, more importantly, 9/11. It will take more than a few atrocities to turn the US population against the war. It will take more than a few news cycles of bad press to sway this President from his firm resolve. They have sowed the wind, and now they will reap the whirlwind.
146 posted on 04/01/2003 6:40:39 AM PST by gridlock (BTW, a year is a very short time for a war.)
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To: sarasmom
It's from AFP, the anti-American French Press. Take anything they report with a large dose of skepticism.
147 posted on 04/01/2003 7:21:49 AM PST by anymouse
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes
I heard it on the radio driving into work this morning.
148 posted on 04/01/2003 7:32:32 AM PST by twigs
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To: sjersey

149 posted on 04/01/2003 7:33:44 AM PST by TADSLOS (Sua Sponte)
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To: Howlin
I said then that you can't argue with that kind of fanaticism.

I couldn't agree more. Most of what I've heard from pundits, news professionals and internationals presumes that just talking a little more, or just the right way, will solve this problem. More communication, more education. Some situations, unfortunately, are not amenable to such solutions. And yes, I also agree with you that this should have been done years ago. The widespread animus that we witness today was not so focused then.

150 posted on 04/01/2003 7:36:56 AM PST by twigs
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