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Greens and Socialists Unite to Oppose War
CNSNews.com Commentary from the National Anxiety Center ^ | April 01, 2003 | Alan Caruba

Posted on 04/01/2003 7:16:08 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen

Largely unreported in the mainstream press of America is the unified opposition to the war for regime change in Iraq from both the Greens and worldwide Socialists. The same person could have written their public statements for the way they mirror one another. This only serves to underscore what observers of these political groups have long known; the Greens are merely another element of Socialist opposition to Capitalism.

In September of last year, the Green Party of the United States issued a statement, declaring their opposition to the invasion of Iraq. Under the aegis of the United Nations which authorized the expulsion of Iraq from Kuwait, the pilots of the US and allied nations have been repeatedly attacked while guarding the "no-fly zones." In the twelve years that have passed since then, Iraq has ignored seventeen UN resolutions to disarm and threw out the UN inspectors until forced to let them return.

There has been zero evidence that Iraq has ever ceased its efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction, but according to Tod Sloan, co-chair of the party's International committee, "If President Bush and Congress truly care about the security of the US, they will work with the United Nations to address any threat by Iraq through peaceful, diplomatic means."

The Greens/Green Party USA, a separate group, is even more vociferous in its condemnation of the conflict. "Greens throughout the world condemn the US government'' trampling on human rights and international law to kill thousands of innocent Iraqis, for the sake of oil and imperial design." It called for "a worldwide consumer boycott of selected corporations. Already, international boycotts against Coca-Cola, McDonald's, and other US companies are underway." The notion that Coca-Cola or McDonald's are the enemy, along with all other US multinational corporations is a definition of the Socialist point of view.

The World Socialists and Socialist Equality Party sponsored a conference this passed weekend on the subject of "Socialism and the Struggle Against Imperialism and War: the Strategy and Program of a New International Working Class Movement." If Karl Marx, Lenin, and Stalin weren't dead, you could bet they would all be keynote speakers. So far as the World Socialists are concerned, the war's purpose is to "plunder and colonize Iraq." Nary a word of criticism for Saddam Hussein.

The Democratic Socialists of the USA, in March, chimed in with a statement by Frank Llewellyn, its national director. "This war and those that could well follow it do not flow from any direct threat to the United States." Apparently 9-11 has slipped his mind. "Bush's war is a political war in favor of a new ideological doctrine of imperial dominance." The Red Chinese could not have said it better.

Naturally, Llewellyn believes that "the peace movement should agitate for United Nations' and not United States' administration of post-war Iraqi economic and military reconstruction." We all know what a terrific job the UN has done to contain and eliminate Saddam's aggressive instincts. Finally, Llewellyn states that "The unilateral attack on Iraq is part and parcel of the Reagan-Bush worldview that conceives of the United States as the sole force for good in the world."

There hasn't been a single word from the self-appointed environmentalists concerning the enormous environmental damage Saddam authorized in the Gulf War, setting Kuwaiti oil fields ablaze and dumping thousands of gallons of oil into the Persian Gulf. There is still no word about his latest effort to set Iraqi oil fields ablaze. There isn't a word about the brutal oppression of the Iraqi people, nor the billions of dollars Saddam personally siphoned from Iraq's economy.

So Greenpeace, the National Resources Defense Council, the Sierra Club and the vast matrix of environmental organizations have all revealed themselves to be Socialists/Communists at heart.

They are a movement whose purpose is to undermine the economy of this nation by pressing for legislation that:

- Opposes US access vast oil reserves in Alaska;
- Bans pesticides to protect the health of Americans and herbicides to protect our food crops;
- Hopes to ban ranchers from traditional access to government lands for grazing;
- Uses "endangered species" to bankrupt the farmers of the Klamath Valley;
- Uses "endangered species" to re-introduce predator species throughout the West;
- Seeks to limit the mining industry from extracting natural resources;
- Seeks to keep the timber industry from helping manage our national forests;
- Is acquiring huge amounts of privately owned property to put it off limits to any use.
- Opposes any use of so-called "fossil fuels" and would limit the individual choice and use of automobiles, SUVs, trucks and off-road vehicles.
- Uses "environmental" laws to thwart the proper training of our armed forces on bases throughout the US.

There is hardly any element of our economy that hasn't been under attack by these "environmentalists." The immediate enemy is Iraq. The other enemy is the environmentalists for whom Socialism/Communism is the guiding agenda behind their varied agendas.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
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1 posted on 04/01/2003 7:16:08 AM PST by Stand Watch Listen
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Greens and Socialists

Greens, socialist, Paleos( with some exceptions I refer to the Buchanan branch) whats the diffrence?

2 posted on 04/01/2003 7:18:39 AM PST by weikel (Ever notice how the Paleos and the Dem/Commies have the same talking points on the Iraq war)
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Shocking. The Greens and the Socialists together?

Next thing you know, the Nazis and the Fascists will team up.

:o)
3 posted on 04/01/2003 7:19:53 AM PST by Maximum Leader (run from a knife, close on a gun)
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To: Maximum Leader
Next thing you know, the Nazis and the Fascists will team up.

Green on the outside, red on the inside.

4 posted on 04/01/2003 7:27:26 AM PST by jimt (Support our troops !)
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Saddam's Ba'ath Party is actually named the Arab Ba'ath Socialist Party. They are quite proud of the Arab and Socialist parts of their name and always use them when referring to themselves. Saddam nationalized the oil fields, for the children of course, which instead became the source of his vast wealth. The liberal media never mentions the Ba'ath's proper name because they don't want socialism's name yet again dragged through the mud. The socialists and greens (reds hiding behind yet another color), don't like the war against Saddam because he is a bird of a feather.
5 posted on 04/01/2003 7:31:57 AM PST by Reeses
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To: Stand Watch Listen; hellinahandcart; countrydummy
Alan Caruba is one of the best.
6 posted on 04/01/2003 7:38:28 AM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: weikel
Broad hint: Not every "Paleo" is against this war.

Be careful with that broad brush!

7 posted on 04/01/2003 7:39:35 AM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: sauropod
Over at Nuclear Space, we refer to the Green Party as "the watermelons," green outside, red inside.
8 posted on 04/01/2003 7:40:35 AM PST by atomic conspiracy (Reformed liberal)
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To: Reeses
>Saddam's Ba'ath Party is actually named the Arab Ba'ath Socialist Party.

Socialists in sheets, towels and fan belts. No wonder Europes socialists love them so much.

10 posted on 04/01/2003 7:53:54 AM PST by skraeling
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To: Stand Watch Listen

What's this, Greens and Socialists unite to condemn the French war in the Ivory Coast, the German occupation of Kosovo, and Mugabe's ethnic cleansing of Zimbabwe??

No?!

Oh, I see, the Greens and the Socialists have "united" to merely lob another criticism at an *American* action.

For a minute there I thought...oh, nevermind...

11 posted on 04/01/2003 7:55:09 AM PST by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: weikel
Yeah....what's the difference indeed. All those socialists who support the war such as the ruling parties of Britain, Poland (surrender monkey party), and Hungary (surrender monkey)...all loyal members of the Socialist International. Those darn pro-war reds!

BTW, please give my regards to your ally, Hillary Clinton.

12 posted on 04/01/2003 7:57:45 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: TonyRo76
These all combine to make the "Hate-America Party". Agenda transparent.

It wouldn't matter if the conservatives stole their playbook and did everything they wanted, they would still hate it, so why appease them?
14 posted on 04/01/2003 8:20:35 AM PST by Blue Collar Christian (No, as a matter a fact, I'm NOT done talking.)
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To: atomic conspiracy
Will check it out. thx.
16 posted on 04/01/2003 9:53:38 AM PST by sauropod (If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy...)
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Thanks for posting this.

As off last week, there will be no more Iraqi oil money to support the Greens in America.

When Iran has a revolt and kills the top 100 murdering mullahs, there will be no more Iranian Oil money to fund the Greens in America.

The Opecker Princes in Saudi Land had best be severing any funding of the Watermelon Green Jihadists in America.
17 posted on 04/01/2003 10:13:30 AM PST by Grampa Dave ("Those who are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind!")
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To: sauropod
Alan is a friend, and he took a stand against the Enviralnazis over a decade ago. Like Free Republic, his organization receives a little money money from Grampa Dave.
18 posted on 04/01/2003 10:15:22 AM PST by Grampa Dave ("Those who are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind!")
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To: Grampa Dave
Time for another cup of Coffee. This should have read>"Alan is a friend, and he took a stand against the Enviralnazis over a decade ago. Like Free Republic, his organization receives a little money monthly from Grampa Dave."
19 posted on 04/01/2003 10:17:03 AM PST by Grampa Dave ("Those who are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind!")
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To: TonyRo76
I agree with them on immigration, as I said im mainly against the Buchanan wing.
21 posted on 04/01/2003 10:49:18 AM PST by weikel (Ever notice how the Paleos and the Dem/Commies have the same talking points on the Iraq war)
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To: Maximum Leader
You are so redundant today.
22 posted on 04/01/2003 10:55:50 AM PST by bmwcyle (Semper Gumby - Always Flexable)
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To: Stand Watch Listen
"Greens and Socialists"

That's kinda like saying, "apples and fruit", isn't it?

24 posted on 04/01/2003 11:32:05 AM PST by Ignatz (Scribe of the Unwritten Law)
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Which "group" is the one with the square dark blue posters with the "world" depicted on them; they are evident at all the anti-Iraqi-freedom demonstrations but I can't tell which group is carrying them. Those signs seem to appear at EVERY protest I've seen televised to date.

Anyone know the answer to my question? Thanks -
25 posted on 04/01/2003 1:17:12 PM PST by CarmelValleyite
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To: bmwcyle
Better to be redundant than oxymoronic

:o)
26 posted on 04/01/2003 2:30:10 PM PST by Maximum Leader (run from a knife, close on a gun)
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To: backhoe; madfly; Stand Watch Listen; brityank; OldFriend; Grampa Dave; editor-surveyor; ...
bttt
27 posted on 04/02/2003 10:10:44 AM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Stand Watch Listen
Greens? LMAO, why only mention them? The A.N.S.W.E.R. rallies have seen leaders of these organizations make presentations from the platform.

N.O.W., N.A.A.C.P., the A.F.L.C.I.O. and other unions, various environmental organizations, various Gay and Lesbian organizations, Palestinian advocacy groups, illegal allien advocacy groups, an insurgent group from the Phillipeans, a leading South American Marxist, various current and former democrat office holders, the list goes on...

At each of these rallies they damn Israel and chant that today (the day of the rally) they are Palestinians, over and over and over...

These folks damn everything that this nation is from the platform. They praise and lament the Palestinians, never a mention of homicide bombers. They praise every other leader of the world except Israel's and the US's.

Yes each of these organizations and participants are more than happy to line up behind the world's leading marxists and socialists as well has terrorists from every quarter. Make no mistake about it, these organizations and their mush brained members support far more than they know. Knowingly or not, they are card carrying subversives supporting the destruction of this nation as we know it.

28 posted on 04/02/2003 10:26:51 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Smash The Watermelons!
29 posted on 04/02/2003 10:28:10 AM PST by headsonpikes
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To: Tailgunner Joe
BTTT!!!!!!!
30 posted on 04/02/2003 10:34:40 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: Stand Watch Listen; Tailgunner Joe; All
So Greenpeace, the National Resources Defense Council, the Sierra Club and the vast matrix of environmental organizations have all revealed themselves to be Socialists/Communists at heart. They are a movement whose purpose is to undermine the economy of this nation by pressing for legislation that:

BUMP!!!

31 posted on 04/02/2003 10:46:59 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Stand Watch Listen
The greens should be cowering in shame: They are largely responsible for putting us in a position where defending our "interests" overseas was necessary.
32 posted on 04/02/2003 11:41:11 AM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Thanks for the heads up!
33 posted on 04/02/2003 11:56:34 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Well, Joe, all I can say is these folks are gasping for air in a deep pool of stupidity. Morons.

Thanks for the ping, darlin'.

34 posted on 04/02/2003 1:44:21 PM PST by AuntB (SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!!)
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To: weikel
Forgive this little Victorian conservative's ignorance, but whan on earth is a "Paleo"??
35 posted on 04/02/2003 2:44:07 PM PST by goodieD
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To: Tailgunner Joe
BUMP!
36 posted on 04/02/2003 3:43:35 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The World Socialists and Socialist Equality Party sponsored a conference this passed weekend on the subject of "Socialism and the Struggle Against Imperialism and War: the Strategy and Program of a New International Working Class Movement." If Karl Marx, Lenin, and Stalin weren't dead, you could bet they would all be keynote speakers. So far as the World Socialists are concerned, the war's purpose is to "plunder and colonize Iraq." Nary a word of criticism for Saddam Hussein.

Thanks Joe. We know the commies are behind the peaceniks, but their mantra is getting awfully boring… "the struggle against imperialism and war" "plunder and colonize Iraq" yikes!

37 posted on 04/02/2003 7:01:42 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Stand Watch Listen; Fred25; Tailgunner Joe
The World Socialists and Socialist Equality Party sponsored a conference this passed weekend on the subject of "Socialism and the Struggle Against Imperialism and War: the Strategy and Program of a New International Working Class Movement."
Where are you Fred? There's never an editor around when you need one.
Sorry SWL, I couldn't help myself.

This only serves to underscore what observers of these political groups have long known;
the Greens are merely another element of Socialist opposition to Capitalism.

Well, TJ, some are finally getting it.

38 posted on 04/03/2003 3:36:56 AM PST by philman_36
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Left-wing wacko's are irrelevant and on the run!

Let's Roll!
39 posted on 04/03/2003 10:45:34 AM PST by blackie
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To: Carry_Okie
The greens should be cowering in shame: They are largely responsible for putting us in a position where defending our "interests" overseas was necessary.

Wait, how did they do this? By diverting votes away from Gore in the last election, thereby getting Bush elected? Is this an indirect criticism of Bush?

40 posted on 04/04/2003 3:37:19 PM PST by lurky
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To: lurky
Wait, how did they do this? By diverting votes away from Gore in the last election, thereby getting Bush elected? Is this an indirect criticism of Bush?

Oh it's a long, complex, and dirty story on both sides of the aisle. Restricting access to resources using regulatory power is a process that has progressed for over thirty years, acelerating since the collapse of the Brettonwoods agreement. At that time, Nixon offered the mineral estate of the United States as collateral for the Federal debt. The Clean Water Act, Endangered Species Act, NEPA, the Clean Air Act, were all passed immediately pursuant to that deal. Since then, environmental law and the has been used to sequester those resorces, whether for purposes of manipulating market prices or putting competitors out of business.

The system is basically racketeering on a massive scale. The creditors use their tax-exempt "charitable" foundations to fund NGOs to sue the feds to invoke the statutes on a selective basis. The game centers on using regulatory power to shut down domestic production of competitors and to increase the profits on foreign investments via the resulting artificial shortage. Consider how hard Rockefeller's boy, Jimmy Carter, worked to shut down nuclear power plant construction. What resulted was more oil importation. Create more wilderness areas, monuments, or offshore sanctuaries and domestic oil production comes to a screeching halt.

The manifestations are so numerous as to boggle the mind.

41 posted on 04/04/2003 4:34:08 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by politics.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Thanks. Very interesting. If you could point me to more resources, websites or books about this, I would greatly appreciate it.
42 posted on 04/04/2003 4:51:27 PM PST by lurky
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To: Ignatz
*LOL*
43 posted on 04/04/2003 4:52:45 PM PST by k2blader ("Mercy, detached from Justice, grows unmerciful." - C. S. Lewis)
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To: lurky
Three books:

For a good understanding of the players, the game, and the money, try Undue Influence by Ron Arnold.

To see how the policy doesn't work in an urban environment, try The Vanishing Automobile and Other Urban Myths by Randal O'Toole.

To see how the policy doesn't work in a natural environment, why it works the way it does, and how to fix it, try Natural Process: That Environmental Laws May Serve the Laws of Nature by... me.

44 posted on 04/04/2003 5:09:34 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by politics.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Thanks again, and congratulations on your book.
45 posted on 04/05/2003 4:00:25 PM PST by lurky
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To: lurky
You are quite welcome.
46 posted on 04/05/2003 5:22:00 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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