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FEC Lawyers Back Socialist Workers Party
AP/NY Newsday ^ | 31 Mar 2003 | SHARON THEIMER

Posted on 04/01/2003 3:22:04 PM PST by adam_az

WASHINGTON -- The Socialist Workers Party, long allowed to keep its donors secret because of the danger of harassment, should continue to receive the special protection, Federal Election Commission lawyers say.

The party asked the commission to extend its exemption from FEC reporting requirements that other political parties face, including identifying its contributors, the candidates it supports and the businesses it buys from. The exemption, given for six years at a time, was first granted by a court in 1979 and last renewed by the commission in 1996.

The Socialist Workers Party advocates a Marxist revolution to overthrow the U.S. government. Taking the Russian and Cuban revolutions of the 20th century as models, it wants to replace the country's capitalist system with a government of workers and farmers.

"It is a small political party and controversial, and contributors could be easily deterred from acting on their conscience out of fear of retaliation," said Michael Krinsky, a New York attorney representing the party.

The party supported its new petition with dozens of pages of testimony from members who say they have faced threats and other harassment from law enforcement officers, employers and others while distributing party literature, collecting signatures to get party candidates on ballots and engaging in other party activities.

FEC attorneys are recommending that the commission approve the extension when it meets Thursday. The long history of threats, violence and harassment by law enforcement and private parties "continues to have a chilling effect on possible membership in or association with SWP," they wrote.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cfrlist; communistsubversion; fundingtheleft; socialism; socialist; votefraud
This is completely psychotic.
1 posted on 04/01/2003 3:22:04 PM PST by adam_az
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To: adam_az
FREEP the FEC!

http://www.fec.gov/
2 posted on 04/01/2003 3:23:39 PM PST by adam_az
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To: adam_az
If you're willing to advocate for a violent overthrow of the US government, then you should be willing to reveal your name to the people you're plotting to kill.
3 posted on 04/01/2003 3:25:05 PM PST by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: adam_az
The Socialist Workers Party advocates a Marxist revolution to overthrow the U.S. government

Isn't advocating such things illegal?

4 posted on 04/01/2003 3:25:24 PM PST by zingzang
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To: adam_az
What kind of crap is this? It's typical of the Left to make outrageous claims but then lack the courage to face the consequences. However, generally they aren't aided by the Election Commission.
5 posted on 04/01/2003 3:30:06 PM PST by IronJack
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To: adam_az
The Socialist Workers Party advocates a Marxist revolution to overthrow the U.S. government

Sounds like a terrorist organization. Why are any members of this organized crime outlet still at large?

6 posted on 04/01/2003 3:31:26 PM PST by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: adam_az
Of course they don't want to reveal their membership or sources of revenue. Then we would know, among other things, who is financing the anti-war movement, not to mention Frank Rich's lavish vacations. I wonder what happened to the American media's insistence on open records in this situation, which apparently has been going on for years. Why are the Washington Post and the New York Times not on their high horse? What if the Republican Party claimed the same immunity because of perceived threats? This kind of exception makes a mockery of federal election law. I think a huge freep is in order here.
7 posted on 04/01/2003 3:39:05 PM PST by 3AngelaD
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To: adam_az
"The Socialist Workers Party..."

Let me guess, the majority of the "workers" are unemployed druggies?

8 posted on 04/01/2003 3:40:02 PM PST by freedom_from_socialism
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To: Cachelot
The Socialist Workers Party advocates a Marxist revolution to overthrow the U.S. government

Wonder what the other socialist organizations advocate. What about the DSA? Do others have matching platforms? What do French socialists want? What did the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics want?

I am curious as to what goals these groups have in common, would be glad for some enlightenment.

9 posted on 04/01/2003 3:45:12 PM PST by 8mmMauser (Ba'ath, the OTHER socialist party)
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To: adam_az
Oh good grief!
10 posted on 04/01/2003 3:46:00 PM PST by RAT Patrol
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To: adam_az
The FEC needs a MAJOR FREEPING!

WHo is running this band of outlaws? Are they leftovers from the clinton era? Can President Bush clean up this disgrace?
11 posted on 04/01/2003 3:55:21 PM PST by soycd
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To: adam_az
I agree.

It IS psychotic.

'Let's protect our enemies 6 ways to Sunday while they do every covert and not so covert thing they can get away with to destroy our way of life!'
12 posted on 04/01/2003 4:04:41 PM PST by Quix (QUALITY RESRCH STDY BTWN BK WAR N PEACE VS BIBLE RE BIBLE CODES AT MAR BIBLECODESDIGEST.COM)
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To: adam_az
I realize it would likely be

(post

her unroyal lowness,
her hideous heinous--
Bwitch Shrillery)

it would be impossible politically--but

why

can't this group be declared illegal and outlawed because they advocate the violent overthrow of the government?
13 posted on 04/01/2003 4:07:16 PM PST by Quix (QUALITY RESRCH STDY BTWN BK WAR N PEACE VS BIBLE RE BIBLE CODES AT MAR BIBLECODESDIGEST.COM)
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To: adam_az
You just KNOW that they're receiving oodles of state and federal tax money.
14 posted on 04/01/2003 4:16:40 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: adam_az
It's already public. Just get the membership list for the Screen Actors Guild.
15 posted on 04/01/2003 4:23:38 PM PST by Beck_isright (If Susan Sarandon pooped in the woods, would ELF boycott her?)
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To: freedom_from_socialism; Boot Hill; CounterCounterCulture

Naw, these men are dedicated revolutionaries who strive to wear their panties in public and not be ridiculed.

16 posted on 04/01/2003 4:52:15 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: adam_az
Of course they want to keep donors secret, otherwise no one would donate! LOL

Everything should be out in the open, just as it is with everyone else.
17 posted on 04/01/2003 4:52:42 PM PST by Teetop (democrats....... socialist.........whats the difference?)
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To: adam_az
This is completely psychotic.

No kidding! I wrote to my legislators today, but there isn't much time. Don't they make their decision Thursday?

18 posted on 04/01/2003 4:55:16 PM PST by Kay Ludlow
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To: adam_az
Actually the Socialist Workers party is the Trotskyite Communist party, and Trotsky was not the only one of them to be murdered by the Communist Party itself. Of course, they still back Marxism-Leninism, and revolution!
19 posted on 04/01/2003 5:06:02 PM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (We'll hang Peter Arnett on a sour apple tree!)
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To: Teetop

Agreed. If they want to have their Party's name added to the ballots, then they should reveal their donor lists. If their donors are so secretive, paranoid, and jumpy about their fringe and violent ideas being exposed, then maybe they are not worthy of being on the ballots to begin with.

20 posted on 04/01/2003 5:08:42 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: adam_az
This is ridiculous!
It is certainly not the obligation of anyone, let alone the government, to protect any political group.
They made their bed, now they can sleep in it.
If they can't handle the consequences of their beliefs, that's their problem.
"I want a violent revolution, but I'm too chicken to tell anyone". Yeah.
Time to write all your Reps, local newspapers, etc etc.
22 posted on 04/01/2003 6:26:55 PM PST by visualops (hardradio.com rocks!)
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To: adam_az
For those who wonder, an offshoot of this group, one even more radical, is behind International ANSWER. So this particular group is more "moderate" than ANSWER, but the two organizations' views are very close.

See this surprisingly balanced LA Weekly article.

D

23 posted on 04/01/2003 7:08:11 PM PST by daviddennis (Visit amazing.com for protest accounts, video & more!)
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To: adam_az
Equal protection under the law.
If it's legal for Socialists to keep their funding private, it's legal for all parties.
All other parties should take this to the Supreme Court if necessary. Even Al Quata could be behind the Socialist funding. Who knows?
24 posted on 04/01/2003 7:18:33 PM PST by concerned about politics (Anti-American protestors are inbread liberal Notsosmartso's.)
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To: adam_az; IronJack; zingzang; wideawake; Cachelot; 3AngelaD; freedom_from_socialism; 8mmMauser; ...
This was already posted and discussed here, and you may want to view the commentary: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/881272/posts

I would make a couple points:

1) The Socialist Workers sued on this twice and won in both the Supreme Court (Brown v. Socialist Workers Party 74 Campaign Committee) and the U.S. Court of Appeals (can't recall the case name). So the FEC doesn't have much choice - if they deny the exemption, the Socialists will just sue them again, and probably win. And the FEC has to keep applying the law to the rest of us, because Congress won't repeal it, and the Supreme Court won't exempt everybody - only groups showing they will be especially "harassed."

2) The real question here is why should the rest of us have to disclose? Why should anybody? John Adams and Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson and Abraham Lincoln didn't have to disclose their donors. The Federalist Papers were published anonymously. Where does the government get off keeping and publishing a record of our political activity? (Isn't that what they're doing here?) This is all part of "campaign finance reform," and it should all be declared unconstitutional by the courts. But since the courts haven't done so, we must fight these laws in congress.

3) Maybe we can use this. Why shouldn't Pro-Lifers get this exemption? Don't we get harassed? But if you give money to Right to Life's PAC, they have to file it with the FEC. Maybe some of our groups should compile a record of the harassment our members receive, and ask the FEC for an exemption.
25 posted on 04/01/2003 7:21:42 PM PST by Rensselaer
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To: adam_az
if ever (God forbid it) this great nation falls, it will be because we let morons like this get away with this CRAP!
26 posted on 04/01/2003 7:34:09 PM PST by magrueser (ze french are poo-poo heads)
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To: Cultural Jihad
What the (bleep)? And the Republicans are never harassed? Again, what the (bleep)?
27 posted on 04/01/2003 7:35:24 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: adam_az
Unbelievable... I sent a copy of this to OReilly. This might catch his interest.
28 posted on 04/01/2003 7:43:07 PM PST by Tamzee ("Sabotage" and "Charade"....no French translation necessary.)
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To: Rensselaer
I'd have to read the decisions to understand how a protection can be applied so unequally. It would seem to violate the Fourteenth Amendment, if nothing else. It strikes me that this is a flaw that can be exploited to destroy the whole notion of campaign finance disclosure. However, beware of what you wish for. Our enemies have deep pockets.
29 posted on 04/01/2003 7:59:05 PM PST by IronJack
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To: Rensselaer
I think what you would ultimately discover are some names on that list which would embaress beyond belief some members of the media and hollyweird elite. As long as you are wealthy and leftist, the laws do not apply to you. If you need proof, ask O.J. and Bubba about that.
30 posted on 04/01/2003 8:37:04 PM PST by Beck_isright (If Susan Sarandon pooped in the woods, would ELF boycott her?)
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To: adam_az
I think Republicans need the same protection, nowadays.
31 posted on 04/01/2003 9:17:33 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Send our troops to die in foreign wars, or else you are unpatriotic.)
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To: Cachelot
Sounds like a terrorist organization.

Good point. I'd like to know who it is that plans to kill me and usher in a new order. Make them disclose.

32 posted on 04/01/2003 9:19:00 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Send our troops to die in foreign wars, or else you are unpatriotic.)
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To: adam_az
Note that the FEC is voting THIS Thursday, Apr. 3rd on this, and the FEC lawyers are recommending that this ludicrous exemption be renewed.

"FEC attorneys are recommending that the commission approve the extension when it meets Thursday."
33 posted on 04/01/2003 9:44:15 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: adam_az

And this fact should somehow exempt them from reporting, like everyone else does?

That's insane. How does that earn them a pass?

It's like these celebs wanting to do something unpopular, and THEN not wanting to take responsibility for it.

They don't think others have a right to know if they are doing business with members of or contributors to the Socialist Workers Party?

34 posted on 04/01/2003 9:50:31 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Frodo sleeps with men...)
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To: concerned about politics
No kidding.

There's a serious 14th Amendment issue here.

35 posted on 04/01/2003 9:54:10 PM PST by Jhoffa_ (Frodo sleeps with men...)
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To: Rensselaer
That's the thing- either everyone discloses, or no-one does.
What I disagree with is the exemptions.
I'd be curious to know what other groups are also exempt- the FEC website has no search capability, and I couldn't find any info about exemptions of any sort.
36 posted on 04/02/2003 3:27:15 AM PST by visualops (hardradio.com rocks!)
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To: freedom_from_socialism
No...actually...foreign dictators, and foreign organizations that seek the destruction of the US.
37 posted on 04/02/2003 5:12:55 AM PST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: 3AngelaD
Ah...you've hit upon the solution.

Note how incestuous those organizations are...
...they are the same people the FEC is protecting.
38 posted on 04/02/2003 5:13:36 AM PST by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: adam_az
The Socialist Workers Party advocates a Marxist revolution to overthrow the U.S. government.

And they expect NOT to be harassed?

Here's how I see it, SWP comes to my door, gives me the "party line" ...

NS; "Hmmm, you say that you want to steal everything I own, could own, especially property, murder anyone who objects and periodically cull the heard to silence dissent? , please hold still while I plant this ax in your forehead"

39 posted on 04/02/2003 5:29:37 AM PST by NativeSon (the truth will set you free)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Well, they are revolting.
40 posted on 04/02/2003 7:58:54 AM PST by sheik yerbouty
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