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Posthumous citizenship granted for 2 fallen Marines
AP ^ | 4/2/03

Posted on 04/02/2003 11:48:22 AM PST by InHisImage

Edited on 04/13/2004 1:56:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

LAGUNA NIGUEL, Calif. (AP) - The Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services has approved posthumous citizenship for two fallen Marines from Southern California, Cpl. Jose Angel Garibay and Lance Cpl. Jose Gutierrez, both killed in combat in Iraq. The new bureau's acting director, Eduardo Aguire, is expected to sign their certificates of naturalization on Wednesday in Laguna Niguel, bureau spokesman Ron Rogers said Tuesday.


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KEYWORDS: inmemoriam; iraqifreedom; josegaribay; josegutierrez; semperfi
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I've noted, with interest, that a large number of these fighting men and women seem to have Hispanic last names. God bless all of them.
1 posted on 04/02/2003 11:48:22 AM PST by InHisImage
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To: InHisImage
God bless their souls.
2 posted on 04/02/2003 11:48:59 AM PST by Howlin
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To: InHisImage
Bravo.
3 posted on 04/02/2003 11:49:38 AM PST by Kenton
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To: InHisImage
I am proud to be called their countryman.
4 posted on 04/02/2003 11:50:44 AM PST by Marc Poor
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To: InHisImage
DUTY HONOR COUNTRY
5 posted on 04/02/2003 11:51:19 AM PST by Nat Turner
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To: Kenton
Salute !
6 posted on 04/02/2003 11:51:38 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: InHisImage
They've earned it. God Bless them and their families.
7 posted on 04/02/2003 11:52:25 AM PST by The South Texan (The TV Media (save FOX News,) is our worst Enemy!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: InHisImage
That's the least we can do, but I bet to them it's an honor greater than the CMH.
8 posted on 04/02/2003 11:53:06 AM PST by theDentist (So..... This is Virginia..... where are all the virgins?)
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To: Howlin
God bless their souls.

My only regret is that we didn't allow them this honor while alive. They certainly deserve it.

9 posted on 04/02/2003 11:53:20 AM PST by Dianna
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To: InHisImage
So even the military doesn't require enlistees to be American citizens?
10 posted on 04/02/2003 11:54:08 AM PST by Lizavetta
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To: InHisImage
How fitting!! If anyone deserves citizenship, it is someone who is willing to fight, and unfortunately sometimes, die, for this country!
11 posted on 04/02/2003 11:54:17 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: theDentist
Marines take care of Marines.
12 posted on 04/02/2003 11:55:16 AM PST by JeeperFreeper
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To: InHisImage
An honor earned with blood.

Even if the government did not grant these brave young men citizenship, I would have been proud to call them my countrymen.

13 posted on 04/02/2003 11:56:29 AM PST by amused (Republicans for Sharpton!)
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To: Lizavetta
"So even the military doesn't require enlistees to be American citizens?"

No, it doesn't. Many non-citizens have fought and died in the US Military Services.
14 posted on 04/02/2003 11:57:06 AM PST by MineralMan
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To: InHisImage
Actually, as a %age of those in the general population, they're underrepresented in the military.
15 posted on 04/02/2003 11:57:45 AM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Lizavetta
So even the military doesn't require enlistees to be American citizens?

Never has, to my knowledge. During the Vietnam War I met many who were not U. S. citizens. One sailor from the Philipines told me he joined the military to help him obtain citizenship.

16 posted on 04/02/2003 11:59:31 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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To: Lizavetta
The U.S. military has never required enlistees to be American citizens.
17 posted on 04/02/2003 11:59:51 AM PST by Blackyce (President Jacques Chirac: "As far as I'm concerned, war always means failure.")
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To: Lizavetta
So even the military doesn't require enlistees to be American citizens?

No. It's a long tradition. I've always thought that if you serve honorably you deserve citizenship.

18 posted on 04/02/2003 12:00:02 PM PST by arkfreepdom
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To: Dianna
Precisely.
19 posted on 04/02/2003 12:00:03 PM PST by Howlin
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To: arkfreepdom
I agree. If you put yourself in harm's way for this country and protect this country and its citizens, then you deserve to be one.
20 posted on 04/02/2003 12:02:09 PM PST by mattdono
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To: InHisImage
May God bless these two fine men.
21 posted on 04/02/2003 12:02:43 PM PST by AxelPaulsenJr (Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb the hell out of saddam. Bomb saddam to hell.)
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To: InHisImage
May God bless these two very good guys.

Yes, a lot of Hispanic names showing up on casualty lists. Impresive that so many have signed up to serve their new country. I wish them all the very best.
22 posted on 04/02/2003 12:03:41 PM PST by PoisedWoman (Fed up with the liberal media)
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To: Lizavetta
So even the military doesn't require enlistees to be American citizens?

Nope.

Go look up "Rick Rescorla" and "Landing Zone X-Ray."

23 posted on 04/02/2003 12:04:04 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Tancredo Fan
Come lecture us, good fellow...
24 posted on 04/02/2003 12:04:41 PM PST by GraniteStateConservative (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Lizavetta
"So even the military doesn't require enlistees to be American citizens?"

Nope. But military service is a good way to get citizenship. My paternal grandfather immigrated to the US from Greece in 1912. As a young man, he volunteered for service in the US Army in WWI, and served as a scout in the 38th Infantry Divison. (The Buckeye Division.) His service earned him a Purple Heart and American citizenship.

Fine by me. Anyone willing to fight for the United States, who serves a hitch and gets an honorable discharge has *earned* the right to a say in how this country is run.
25 posted on 04/02/2003 12:07:46 PM PST by No Truce With Kings (The opinions expressed are mine! Mine! MINE! All Mine!)
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To: InHisImage
Personally I think it is great that these two warriors are getting their citizenship, however to balance it a little we should take it away from Peter Arnett.
26 posted on 04/02/2003 12:08:23 PM PST by scouse
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To: scouse
Personally I think it is great that these two warriors are getting their citizenship, however to balance it a little we should take it away from Peter Arnett.

Now cleaning Mountain Dew off of the monitor...

27 posted on 04/02/2003 12:11:48 PM PST by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: SuziQ
The Roman Imperial Army was one of the most efficient Romanizing influences on German barbarians. It was when entire legions became German that the problems significantly increased. Allowing limited numbers of immigrants into our military is a good idea.
28 posted on 04/02/2003 12:15:29 PM PST by flying Elvis
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To: All
Seeing this reminds me of when Andre Dawson became a Chicago Cub.

Whenever Dawson approached the plate at Wrigley Field in his Cubs uniform, the bleacher bums would do the up-and-down prostration thing, as if revering a god.

As little as one season earlier, as a Montreal Expo, the same bleacher bums had taunted, booed, and yelled the "N-word" as they poured beer on him in the outfield.

Nothing personal, mind you. Just an observation.

29 posted on 04/02/2003 12:18:21 PM PST by newgeezer (Last time the Cubs won it all, radio hadn't been invented.)
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To: Black Agnes
I checked the list of our guys killed, so far. It's on Fox, here. Anyway, of the approximately 44 dead, 9 had Hispanic sounding last names. That comes to about 20.4% Hispanic.

That's not indicative of total enlistment, just of those killed in action.

30 posted on 04/02/2003 12:20:01 PM PST by InHisImage
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To: InHisImage
Reclassifying them as citizens is not only appropriate, it's a must IMO.

BTW, I have noted that a vast majority of those serving don't have spanish surnames. God bless them all.

31 posted on 04/02/2003 12:24:25 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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Cpl. Jose Angel Garibay,
21, of Costa Mesa, died March 23 in Nasiriyah


Lance Cpl. Jose Gutierrez,
22, of Lomita, died March 21 at Umm Qasr


When politicians leave this earth,
Their bodies lie in state,
While thousands note their passing,
And proclaim that they were great.

Papers tell of their life stories
From the time that they were young
But the passing of a Soldier
Goes unnoticed, and unsung.

If we cannot do him honor
While he's here to hear the praise,
Then at least let's give him homage
At the ending of his days.


Good-bye American Soldiers


32 posted on 04/02/2003 12:25:36 PM PST by george wythe
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To: InHisImage
Latinos make up 14 percent of the Marine Corps, 10.5 percent of the Navy, 9.7 percent of the Army and 5.6 percent of the Air Force.

This is official as of 2000. No doubt it has changed, probably increased, since then. Way to go, Jose!
33 posted on 04/02/2003 12:25:40 PM PST by MineralMan
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To: Lizavetta
So even the military doesn't require enlistees to be American citizens?

It never has.

My Cuban-born uncle went to his oral exam for U.S. citizenship in Miami back around 1967 dressed in his U.S. Army uniform that included his Green Beret, the Combat Infantryman Badge, the Vietnam Service Ribbon with two clusters, the Bronze Star with Combat "V" ribbon with two clusters and the Purple Heart ribbon with two clusters. The right sleeve of his uniform was empty as his right arm was still strapped to his chest as a result of the rounds he had taken to his right shoulder a few weeks before in Vietnam.

When we asked him what questions he had been asked in his oral exam, he said,

"The examiner did not ask me a single question. He just looked at me, up and down a couple of times, and said, 'You passed.'".

For earlier historical examples, look up "Irish Brigade" and "Eleventh Corps, Army of the Potomac".

34 posted on 04/02/2003 12:27:10 PM PST by Polybius
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To: InHisImage
Good news bump!
35 posted on 04/02/2003 12:28:27 PM PST by k2blader ("Mercy, detached from Justice, grows unmerciful." - C. S. Lewis)
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To: InHisImage
Welcome to America, brothers. I am proud to call you both fellow citizen.
36 posted on 04/02/2003 12:29:23 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit ( Its time to trap some RATS)
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To: InHisImage
A precious gift & much deserved. Thanks guys.
37 posted on 04/02/2003 12:32:20 PM PST by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: InHisImage
I am not worthy to shine their boots. Thank you AMERICAN heroes for your sacrifice.
38 posted on 04/02/2003 12:33:42 PM PST by Paradox
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To: InHisImage
Welcome fellow citizens. When you sit around family get togethers remember always that your patriarch died so that you could live free. These men are both heros.GOD bless themand never forget.
39 posted on 04/02/2003 12:33:57 PM PST by Joe Boucher
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To: InHisImage
We need to pull some of the illegals out of our prison system and hand 'em a gun.
40 posted on 04/02/2003 12:36:52 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Black Agnes
"Actually, as a %age of those in the general population, they're underrepresented in the military."

Source please...

41 posted on 04/02/2003 12:37:37 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Lizavetta
So even the military doesn't require enlistees to be American citizens?

It never did.

42 posted on 04/02/2003 12:37:37 PM PST by Ditto (You are free to form your own opinions, but not your own facts.)
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To: Polybius
Thank you for sharing an inspiring story.
43 posted on 04/02/2003 12:41:03 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: SuziQ
"If anyone deserves citizenship, it is someone who is willing to fight, and unfortunately sometimes, die, for this country!"

True! And in that vein, any American citizen fighting against this country in word or deed should die for treason.
44 posted on 04/02/2003 12:42:01 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: Luis Gonzalez
USA Today article from last week. Hispanics represent about 9% in the military.
45 posted on 04/02/2003 12:42:05 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: InHisImage; PoisedWoman
American Forces Press Service

Hispanics on the Rise as Largest U.S. Ethnicity

 

 By Staff Sgt. Alicia K. Borlik
 
American Forces Press Service


 WASHINGTON -- Hispanics account for almost 11 percent of the 
 American population, numbering near 30 million, according to the 
 U.S. Census Bureau. And their numbers are expected to triple by 
 the middle of the next century, accounting for nearly a quarter 
 of America's population.
 
 The fastest growing ethnic group in America is also increasing 
 its presence in the military. Since 1987, the percentage of 
 Hispanics in uniform has increased more than any other group, up 
 3 percent to almost 100,000 in strength, according to statistics 
 from the Defense Manpower Data Center in Monterey, Calif.
 
 The Army shows the largest Hispanic increase in the past 10 
 years. Despite the drawdown, the number of Hispanic soldiers 
 increased 10 percent even as the ranks of white and black 
 soldiers decreased about 40 percent each. Hispanic soldiers 
 currently account for nearly 7 percent of the Army.
 
 Hispanic representation in the Marine Corps nearly doubled 
 during the past 10 years to about 11 percent. The Navy and Air 
 Force have 6 percent to 8 percent Hispanic service members.
 
 In July, at the DoD Equal Opportunity Conference in Birmingham, 
 Ala., Deputy Defense Secretary John J. Hamre recognized the 
 importance of minorities to the success of an increasingly 
 diverse U.S. military.
 
 "The proportion of Hispanics in the services has grown, but they 
 are still underrepresented," Hamre said. "Minorities in general 
 are still underrepresented in the officer corps. While 
 minorities represent one in five enlisted men and women, they 
 represent only one out of 10 officers." He described the 
 president's desire to have a government that "looks like 
 America."
 
 "The Department of Defense wants to meet that goal and go one 
 better," Hamre said. "Our goal is to have an all-volunteer force 
 that has all the diversity of America, but is uniform in its 
 excellence. Whether someone is white, black, brown, yellow, 
 male, or female is not the issue. We want to find and keep the 
 best minds, talent and leaders available." 
 
 DoD's theme for the 1998 Hispanic Heritage Month (Sept. 15 – 
 Oct. 15) is "Hispanic Women in Leadership." 
 

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Sep1998/n09151998_9809154.html

46 posted on 04/02/2003 12:42:39 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: taxed2death
"We need to pull some of the illegals out of our prison system and hand 'em a gun."

They're not eligible to serve. For a non-citizen to serve in the military, they must be in the country legally. Also, in general, any felony conviction prevents you from joining our military services.

These young men who fought and died are now citizens. Non-citizens who serve in the military are granted faster naturalization than those who do not serve. I think that's as it should be.

We don't need criminals and illegal aliens in our military, thanks.
47 posted on 04/02/2003 12:44:00 PM PST by MineralMan
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To: Black Agnes
"The Army shows the largest Hispanic increase in the past 10 years. Despite the drawdown, the number of Hispanic soldiers increased 10 percent even as the ranks of white and black soldiers decreased about 40 percent each. Hispanic soldiers currently account for nearly 7 percent of the Army."

What's with the decrease?

48 posted on 04/02/2003 12:44:28 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You mean my typing 9% or the 7% from your quote?
49 posted on 04/02/2003 12:45:44 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Luis Gonzalez
"DoD's theme for the 1998 Hispanic Heritage Month (Sept. 15 –
Oct. 15) is "Hispanic Women in Leadership."
"

Your info is a little out of date. As of 2000, 14% of Marines were hispanic. And that's three years ago, at that. I suspect the numbers are higher today.
50 posted on 04/02/2003 12:45:53 PM PST by MineralMan
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