Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 3, 2003 | Diana Lynne

[Mark17]

I don't agree.

[laureldrive]

Those who are so insecure in their own beliefs, that they cannot abide the notion that others may believe differently, ought not venture out of doors.

Seems to me you're describing the folks who wouldn't let this preacher give his prayer, because he "believes differently." They're the bigots. You wouldn't find me trying to silence a Buddist who was giving an invocation - - because I'm tolerant and I'm not insecure in my beliefs. that can't be said, it seems, of the anti-Christian legislators who silenced the preacher. Go on apologizing for them. In every age, bigotry has its apologists.

[Captain Beyond]

Thanks for the spirited debate. It is much more fun when it is done in reason. And thanks for the thoughtful responses. Like I was saying my only problem was I think people were drifting away from the actual meaning of prayer and why one actually prays to Almighty God. I hope you had a happy Passover and enjoy the holiday yourself. Because in both cases Death passed over those that revered the Lord.

[SupplySider]

"...he was invited to represent his own."

We agree again. I don't see why we need to be so thin-skinned. The minister meant to bless the proceedings, and he did so in his way. As if mentioning the name of Jesus would be a bad thing!

In the same spirit, I would hope this gentleman would support clerics from other religions in America invoking their names of God in their prayers. Unfortunately, I doubt he would.

[TopQuark]

Thank you and G-d bless you and yours.

[DensaMensa]

}You don't even practice civility, let alone Christianity.

Much as you would like, you don't control the definitions. Any of them.

[SupplySider]

do the other religions deny the divinity of Christ?....yup

Buddhism and Hinduism predate Christianity, so their founders and scriptures do not speak explicitly of Jesus Christ.

Hindus, however, consider all men to be partial incarnations of divinity, and some, such as Rama and Krishna, to be all divine. I have met Hindus, and many considered Jesus to be a 100% divine incarnation of God. I have seen the picture of Christ on their alters.

Buddhists likewise consider all beings sacred, and sometimes equate Nirvana to Christ consciousness. They try to incorporate all good things into their framework.

I can't speak for Muslims, but I think there is a common ground in man's great religions: they all worship one almighty God.

[katnip]

Why not have everybody rub a rabbit foot for luck.

I think this was my favorite line of the whole thread.

Thanks for the chuckle.

[NeilSmith]

"If it is nondenominational then who are they praying to? "

"And what is the point if they are praying to some ambiguous god?"


Sorry, I thought those were your words. I did only read a part of this thread. I tend to be defensive when I see intolerant people.

[aruanan]

Well, sure. As C.S. Lewis said (paraphrased from my faulty memory), "To claim what he claimed about himself, Jesus was either insane, on the level of someone who believes himself to be a poached egg, a devil from Hell, or G-d before whom we must bow. He didn't leave us any other choice."

Hi. Here's the actual quote in all its glory from Mere Christianity:

"A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic--on the level with a man who says he is a poached egg--or else he would be the devil of hell. You must make your choice. Either he was and is the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse. You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon; or you can fall at his feet and call Him Lord and God. But let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher. He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to."

[Captain Beyond]

See post# 819. We are talking about the intent of prayer. If one is praying then it is his belief that dictates whom one is praying to. Hopefully this will get you passed your defensive intolerance.

[onedoug]

Thank you. I appreciate your views. It is my prayer that evangelical Chistianity in particular will help to save this country.

Somewhat more Judaically oriented myself however, I recently posted Some Problems With Christ As The Messiah. Please be as critical as you might in any response.

I believe ultimately in Ethical Monotheism as ancient to modern all-inclusiveness.

[ProudAmerican13]

John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Above is true lsee because it is only through Jesus that we are even worthy of any redemption.

[sauropod]

I heard about that.

[DoctorMichael]

Maybe they should threaten to move to some foreign country, like France?

[sauropod]

Indeed TQ's answers have been thoughtful!

[Captain Beyond]

How can you not love someone who has quark, strangeness, and charm.8-) His posts have been very thoughtful indeed.

[Michael2001]

You say this guy is seeking to offend. He is not. He is simply praying to his Lord Jesus Christ. If people are offended then they should get over it.

[honway]

You must make your choice. Either he was and is the Son of God: or else a madman or something worse.

Thanks for that quote.I have never understood the irrational response many exhibit at the mention of Jesus Christ in public forums outside of a church. The quote helps explain it.

[aruanan]

Sure! That quote's pretty stinking succinct. Have you read either Mere Christianity or Miracles?