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MSNBC - Cyanide & Mustard Agents Found in Euphrates River
MSNBC | 4/04/03

Posted on 04/04/2003 6:45:05 AM PST by kattracks

Edited on 04/04/2003 7:19:19 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

While testing for water to be processed for US Marines, these agents were found in the Euphrates River- Bob Arnot reporting.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: battleforbaghdd; illegalweapons; iraqifreedom; marines; poison; viceisclosing; water
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1 posted on 04/04/2003 6:45:05 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
HMMMMMMM.
2 posted on 04/04/2003 6:45:40 AM PST by CholeraJoe (Standing tough under Stars and Stripes)
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To: kattracks
BTTT
3 posted on 04/04/2003 6:45:58 AM PST by TonyInOhio (Never assume it's a raisin.)
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To: kattracks
But I thought Blix said there weren't any of such things in Iraq! There must be some mistake. This war was all about oil, wasn't it?
4 posted on 04/04/2003 6:46:42 AM PST by iceskater
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To: kattracks
Do the Iraqis use this water for their own drinking water?
5 posted on 04/04/2003 6:46:59 AM PST by CheneyChick (Lock & Load)
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Said Hans Blix, "I am confident that is not mustard agent or any other proscribed agent, but is instead French's Mustard, which Iraq long ago declared to have in mass quantities."
6 posted on 04/04/2003 6:47:17 AM PST by WillVoteForFood
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To: kattracks
Nonsense. It is mustard from falafels. Infidels will find nothing.
7 posted on 04/04/2003 6:47:29 AM PST by Sender
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To: kattracks
Maybe we should send Hans over there to taste test it.
8 posted on 04/04/2003 6:47:44 AM PST by gunnedah
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To: kattracks
Stored under the river or dumped into the river??????
9 posted on 04/04/2003 6:47:48 AM PST by Aggie Mama
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To: kattracks
Was it diluted in the river, or found in containers?
10 posted on 04/04/2003 6:47:48 AM PST by SarahW
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To: iceskater
Okay, now THIS would be really big. It would indicate that at least some Iraqis are attempting to destroy evidence that they possessed this stuff. That makes a lot of logical sense.
11 posted on 04/04/2003 6:48:05 AM PST by XJarhead
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To: WillVoteForFood
I'm guessing this ain't Grey Poupon.
12 posted on 04/04/2003 6:48:16 AM PST by ConservativeLawyer (God Bless our troops!)
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To: Aggie Mama
Or maybe hastily buried near the river and it's leaking...
13 posted on 04/04/2003 6:48:26 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: kattracks
How much of these agents were found in the water? Residue? Or have they poisoned the water supply in a scorched earth policy? Big difference between two possibilities.
14 posted on 04/04/2003 6:48:37 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: kattracks
I'm sure those evil americans dumped it in upstream of baghdad. They'll stoop to anything just to discredit a fine european analyst like blix [/sarcasm]

15 posted on 04/04/2003 6:48:41 AM PST by Cobra Scott
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To: mewzilla
Good point.
16 posted on 04/04/2003 6:48:46 AM PST by Aggie Mama
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To: kattracks
so that was the plan..
17 posted on 04/04/2003 6:48:49 AM PST by ewing
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To: kattracks
Impossible. The strict U.N. Inspection team from 1991 to this year prevented such chemicals from being in their inventory.</sarcasm off

V


18 posted on 04/04/2003 6:48:53 AM PST by Beck_isright (If Susan Sarandon pooped in the woods, would ELF boycott her?)
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To: CholeraJoe; xsmommy
Well, isn't that Special.....

Since Blix said that Saddam didn't have any of this stuff....

Who Could it be.....

Hmmmm.....Who could be dumping deadly, prohibited,hidden nerve agents in the Euphrates....

It Must Be....

Satan.....


19 posted on 04/04/2003 6:49:22 AM PST by hobbes1 ( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: SarahW
Apparently diluted. According to the report on MSNBC, the Marines were testing the water before processing for drinking water.
20 posted on 04/04/2003 6:50:22 AM PST by kattracks
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To: WillVoteForFood
Said Hans Blix, "I am confident that is not mustard agent or any other proscribed agent, but is instead French's Mustard, which Iraq long ago declared to have in mass quantities."

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That blix guy sure has turned out to be a crock of %hit hasn't he???

21 posted on 04/04/2003 6:50:38 AM PST by GUIDO (.)
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To: kattracks
OOOOHhhh, this is going to make the environmentalist antiwar protestors mad. Saddam could blow away all his people, kill all our guys, but for heavens sake, he contaminated a river? Its going to get ugly quick :)
22 posted on 04/04/2003 6:51:13 AM PST by Cate ((LET FREEDOM RING!!!!))
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To: kattracks
I remember seeing a report where Saddam would go "fishing" by throwing grenades into the river, and having his lackeys scoop up the fish (now why haven't we ever seen that on the American Sportsman?). It is obvious to anyone with half a brain (Blix, perhaps), that these chemicals in the river are just another fishing technique.
23 posted on 04/04/2003 6:51:14 AM PST by Marc Poor
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To: kattracks
I wonder whether, in attempts to get rid of excess stocks by soldiers in the field that want to give up, these idjits are dumping it in the river.

The other reason could be Saddam wants to poison the populous AND the coalition; however, I don't know about how the 'dilution-factor' would affect the effectiveness of theses substances.

24 posted on 04/04/2003 6:51:36 AM PST by DoctorMichael (Liberalism = Evil)
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To: Aggie Mama
If we find Saddamn and his psycho offspring still alive we ought to make them official water testers for the people of Iraq.
25 posted on 04/04/2003 6:51:56 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: kattracks
Could this have any connection to the underground tunnels from the Airport to the Rivers?
26 posted on 04/04/2003 6:52:18 AM PST by Solson (Terrorists of the world: IGNITE!)
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To: WillVoteForFood
Said Hans Blix, "I am confident that is not mustard agent or any other proscribed agent, but is instead French's Mustard, which Iraq long ago declared to have in mass quantities."

Pardon me, Hans. Do you have any Grey Poupon?

27 posted on 04/04/2003 6:54:15 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: kattracks
Not good!
28 posted on 04/04/2003 6:54:46 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Cate
OOOOHhhh, this is going to make the environmentalist antiwar protestors mad. Saddam could blow away all his people, kill all our guys, but for heavens sake, he contaminated a river? Its going to get ugly quick :)

More likely, they will balme us for starting the war. If we hadn't gone in, there would have been no need to contaminate Mother earth.

29 posted on 04/04/2003 6:54:49 AM PST by trebb
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To: All
Arnot going through the whole thing on MSNBC right now.
30 posted on 04/04/2003 6:56:15 AM PST by bart99
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To: kattracks
Maybe they need to be dredging the rivers?

No telling WHAT the Bad Guys have thrown in there!

Tia

31 posted on 04/04/2003 6:58:08 AM PST by tiamat ("Just a Bronze-Age Gal, Trapped in a Techno World!")
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To: kattracks
1. ] Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
32 posted on 04/04/2003 6:58:14 AM PST by per loin
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To: Sender
Prollie Ted Koppel's pee
33 posted on 04/04/2003 6:58:14 AM PST by OldFriend (without the brave, there would be no land of the free)
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To: kattracks
Bob Arnott reporting

"Division level briefing explained that high concentrations of mustard and cyanide agents found in water before going through purification."

"Water from Euphrates"

"intended to kill Marines because it was found near purification unit used by Marines"

34 posted on 04/04/2003 6:58:40 AM PST by Mark Felton
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To: kattracks
Wow! This may be the real deal!
35 posted on 04/04/2003 6:58:55 AM PST by ArcLight
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just before 10:00 AM another phone report from Arnot. Cyanide and Mustard agents in high concentrations in the Eurphrates.

Reverse Osmosis unit with the Marines was filtering the water out to purify it. In the process, tested the water before putting it into the filters. Found large concentrations of cyanide and mustard agents. Arnot is getting this from the regimental commander and intelligence officer. Belief is that it was done deliberately to poison the Marines, rather than an attempt to get rid of it. Apparently the agents are so small that they would not be stopped by the reverse osmosis filters, so this is why they've been testing.

[If this is the case, then downsteam water supplies for the civilians will now be endangered]
36 posted on 04/04/2003 6:58:58 AM PST by Herodotus
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Arnot says typically the agents would be really diluted in a river like that, but becasue it's a large concentration, then it appears intentional and done to poison US troops.
37 posted on 04/04/2003 6:59:11 AM PST by bart99
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To: kattracks
Now they have done it. They have pi$$ed of Greenpeace! Here comes the hippies in the rubber rafts!
38 posted on 04/04/2003 7:00:43 AM PST by j_k_l
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To: Herodotus
Was this what they were up to with the fifty gallon drums..?
39 posted on 04/04/2003 7:01:12 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: Herodotus
He's going to bring in the divisional NBC [nuclear/biological/chemical] officer to answer questions. The Marines are pushing Arnot to get this story out...it could be a big deal...esp. if they are minutes away from finding the guys who put this into the water upstream!
40 posted on 04/04/2003 7:02:04 AM PST by Herodotus
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Hans has got to be "Poupon" now!
41 posted on 04/04/2003 7:03:14 AM PST by babaloo
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To: All
Some MSNBC analyst is saying that cyanide and mustard gass are the least effective of all the chemical agents..... and putting them in water would make them even less effective.

Sounds to me like the Iraqis were just trying to get rid of "evidence".
42 posted on 04/04/2003 7:03:17 AM PST by bart99
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To: Cate
OOOOHhhh, this is going to make the environmentalist antiwar protestors mad. Saddam could blow away all his people, kill all our guys, but for heavens sake, he contaminated a river? Its going to get ugly quick

It looks like it's been ugly for quite a while -- wonder why we didn't hear about it during the Security Council debate? (cough, choke):

Dirty water may become Iraq's biggest killer
Tue Apr 1, 6:26 AM ET

Tim Friend - USA Today

Unclean water may kill more Iraqis during the war than bombs and bullets, United Nations officials warn.

They fear other crises like the one in the southern city of Basra, where damage to the electric power grid shut the water-treatment plant immediately after the ground war began March 21.

Most of the city's 1.5 million people had no access to safe water for four or five days. After a week, only half the city had service restored. There are still too many Iraqi fighters in Basra and too much combat there for engineers to get in and restore service to everyone. British forces stretched a pipeline from Kuwait into southern Iraq on Monday, but the water doesn't reach as far as Basra.

Now, officials fear repeats of the Basra crisis in Baghdad and other cities where battles rage or will soon begin. They warn of potential outbreaks of diarrhea and other diseases that will hit children and the elderly particularly hard.

''This conflict will have more people dying from water treatment plants going down than from the war itself,'' said Geoff Keele, a spokesman for UNICEF from Amman, Jordan. He was based in Baghdad until the start of the war.

Much of western and southern Iraq is arid, lightly populated desert. Iraq's major cities have no shortage of water thanks to the Euphrates and Tigris rivers they're built along. But those rivers, which supply nearly all of Iraq's municipal drinking water, are horribly polluted. Their electric-powered water-treatment plants and pumping stations, vital to the population's health, were already in disrepair before the war began.

Iraqis dump 500,000 tons of raw sewage a day into the Tigris, Euphrates and key tributaries. Loss of power and damage to water treatment plants is linked to outbreaks of cholera and a malaria-like condition that Iraqis call ''black water fever.''

''The main problem is that unclean water is leading to severe malnutrition in children, particularly in infants,'' Keele said.

Every city in Iraq that relies on municipally treated water is as vulnerable as Basra is to power blackouts. The country's water problems have become increasingly severe over the past decade because of the crumbling infrastructure ignored by the government. ''The water purification and distribution systems of Iraq are very dilapidated,'' Keele said. ''The pipes are crumbling and the sewage treatment plants are in dire repair.''

Before the war, more than 5 million people, about 20% of Iraq's population, lacked access to safe drinking water.

As a result, bouts of diarrhea suffered by a typical Iraqi child have risen from an average of four per year in 1990 to 15 per year in 2002, Keele said. Diarrhea is the leading cause of malnutrition because children are unable to retain fluids and nutrients in their bodies.

''We have children in Iraq who were already malnourished before this war. They are far more susceptible to disease now if they lose access to treated drinking water,'' Keele said. ''There are 100,000 children in Basra at risk for severe fever and death because one treatment plant stopped functioning.''

Coalition commanders say they've taken great care not to knock out power plants or other facilities key to civilians. They blame Saddam Hussein's forces for knocking out electricity in Basra, and therefore shutting down the city's treatment plant. Iraqi officials blamed British bombs.

Aid groups don't try to assess who's responsible for such damage but do try to prepare for the consequences. UNICEF has 40 trucks in Kuwait at the border with Iraq, prepared to deliver about 80,000 gallons of water to Basra as soon as the city is safe to enter. Relief workers had stored water in locations throughout Baghdad but fear the preparations will not be enough.

American troops are not dependent on Iraq's water system for their needs. Military supply convoys carry tens of thousands of gallons of water in trucks from Kuwait. As the United States has gained access to rivers and lakes, the Army has set up reverse osmosis water purification units, which can produce sufficient supplies of drinking water for troops.

The Euphrates is the longest river in Southwest Asia. It flows nearly 1,700 miles from the highlands of eastern Turkey through Syria and Iraq to the Persian Gulf.

Northern Iraq is relatively fertile, green and mountainous. The mountains in northeast Iraq, which have peaks as high as 10,000 feet, are part of the same range that extends eastward from the Balkans, through Turkey, Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan  to the Himalayas. Even though the north has considerably more precipitation than central and southern Iraq due to rainfall and snowmelt, summer temperatures can reach 120 degrees.

The Euphrates and Tigris could make Iraq one of the most agriculturally developed countries in the Middle East. The Euphrates has been significantly altered over time to benefit farmers south of Hit in Iraq. Irrigation canals and Lake Hammar divert a large portion of the river.

The Tigris, at nearly 1,200 miles, has a greater flow than the Euphrates. It also begins in the mountains of Turkey and flows through the cities of Mosul, Tikrit, Samarra and Baghdad. At Al-Qurnah in the south, 100 miles before reaching the Persian Gulf, the Tigris meets the Euphrates and is called Shatt al Arab. Water in the south is brackish and must be desalinated, as well as treated for sewage.

The southern marshes of Iraq were destroyed by Saddam's government after the 1991 Persian Gulf War in an effort to drive out hundreds of thousands of people from the indigenous Ma'dan population. The Ma'dan were central to an uprising against Saddam immediately after the Gulf War.

His troops drained the marshes, which also were vital wetlands for migratory birds, and burned villages in retribution.

The U.S. State Department says the marshes were drained for a failed agricultural project.

The area is regarded as an environmental disaster. The Iraq Foundation's Eden Again project, partially funded by the State Department, plans to restore the wetlands. Some say that the southern marshes of Iraq are the site of the Garden of Eden.


43 posted on 04/04/2003 7:03:48 AM PST by browardchad
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To: Herodotus
This would be huge!!!

What a scoop for NBC.

hawk

44 posted on 04/04/2003 7:03:55 AM PST by hawkaw
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To: kattracks
Bet this won't lead the ABC Evening News tonight.

Or even be on the entire broadcast.

Liberals spin this one away...


BUMP

45 posted on 04/04/2003 7:04:24 AM PST by tm22721 (May the UN rest in peace)
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To: babaloo
"Hans has got to be "Poupon" now!"


Han;s doesn't watch American TV.... he thinks it's all propoganda. I'm sure he's watching Al-J and they're saying the US is poisoning the water. *nods* /sarcasm off
46 posted on 04/04/2003 7:05:33 AM PST by bart99
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To: kattracks
Everyone knows that these are naturally occuring minerals found in Iraq.
47 posted on 04/04/2003 7:05:48 AM PST by snooker
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To: bart99
But but but but what about the salmon? Has PETA heard about this?
48 posted on 04/04/2003 7:06:25 AM PST by Tailback
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To: Mark Felton
wonder is this has anything to do with the Iraqi Min. of disinformation statement about doing something unconventional tonight
49 posted on 04/04/2003 7:07:23 AM PST by boxerblues (God bless the 101st and keep them safe)
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To: ArcLight
Maybe this is what was meant by the threat to attack us by "unconventioanal means". If so, the disinformation minister isn't very well informed.

IRAQI INFO MINISTER "WE WILL ENGAGE IN UNCONVENTIONAL ACTION TONIGHT"

50 posted on 04/04/2003 7:07:48 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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