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Meanwhile: War reaction reflects China in transition (Many Old Chinese Backs War on Iraq!)
International Herald Tribune ^ | 04/10/03 | Jianying Zha

Posted on 04/09/2003 10:40:58 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Meanwhile: War reaction reflects China in transition

Jianying Zha NYT

Thursday, April 10, 2003

BEIJING 'Tolstoy would have said that every democracy is different, but all totalitarian countries look the same," my cousin said, as images of Baghdad streets rolled by on television.

The pictures reminded him of his visit to Pyongyang, but I could have easily suggested Stalin's Moscow or Mao's Beijing. He added, "The leader puts his statues everywhere and gets 100 percent of the vote - and you know life must be living hell in that country."

This was the second day of the war, and we were watching the news in my mother's Beijing apartment. My cousin supports the war; so do all his colleagues at work. My mother, too, is rooting for American victory; so is her downstairs neighbor.

Feeling ambivalent about the war, I visited Beijing and discovered a startling phenomenon: many Chinese I spoke with resolutely support it. Sure, you can't hear their voices in the state news media because of the government's anti-war stance, but in private conversations and anonymously on the Chinese Internet, these voices are distinct and impassioned.

Here is one posting from a Chinese Web site, Sohu.com: "Saddam rapes the will of his people, treating them as weeds and Iraq as his private property. Why should such a leader be allowed to stay on? War is cruel, but after the war Iraq will have a bright new future."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: china; culturalrevolution; generationgap; mao; nationalism; tianmenmassacre; totalitarianism
Conflicts between America and China aside, old Chinese instinctly hate totalitarianism when they see one.

The same generation gap is found in all E. Asia. Older Chinese, S. Korean, and Japanese view U.S. more favorably than the younger ones.

1 posted on 04/09/2003 10:40:59 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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2 posted on 04/09/2003 10:42:09 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I have been in email contact with my wifes relatives in Guangzhou China and they are very supportive of our son's in the military. It was refreshing to have their blessing.
3 posted on 04/09/2003 10:47:20 PM PDT by AgThorn (Continue to pray for our Troops!!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
I heard it said that age is respected in the far east, and that it was associated with wisdom. I can see why.
4 posted on 04/09/2003 11:00:57 PM PDT by Jacob Kell
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Utter nonsense. The older chinese are NOT backing the war in Iraq. If they did, why did the Chinese not assist the Coalition?

This is utter nonsense.

That's why the Japanese gov't will part of the Iraqi rebuilding process.

China's silkworms, Long March rocket technologies, and nuclear weapons capabilities will NOT be.
5 posted on 04/09/2003 11:09:10 PM PDT by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: Jacob Kell
The only problem with this bunch of liberal rewriting is that the PRC gov't BLOCKED US action in Iraq at the UN Security Council.

They're rewriting history already.
6 posted on 04/09/2003 11:10:05 PM PDT by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: bonesmccoy
Re #5

Of course, Chinese gov is doing everything to undermine U.S. But I think that many who do not have serious stakes in Chinese power hierarchy see this war as not such a bad thing. They do not mind watching another Mao-like figure get his fat ass kicked. These sentiments, as said in the article are all private. Saddam reminds them too much of the tyrant they were all happy to bury.

I think that they are more pro-freedom elements in China. The seeds of future after the current CCP regime.

7 posted on 04/09/2003 11:20:44 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Sir,
If your interpretation is correct, where were these individuals in 1989?

There aren't any "older" Chinese Communists who are on our side.

That's why they're busy thumping our EP-3's, condemning our international policies, and letting North Korea have it's way.
8 posted on 04/09/2003 11:24:05 PM PDT by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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RE #8

You know, they failed to stand up against boots of PLA led by Li Peng sactioned by that old comissar, Deng Xiao-Ping. They can think but they have no serious power. Many of them could have rooted for some kind of reform back in '89 but they all went underground, keeping feelings to themselves or somebody very close to them. Otherwise, they would have been in jail. None of them will publicly state their views. It is all in the article, if you read all of it. Even some elites may not like Saddam even when they are officially supporting him. He is too much like Mao. And even some politburo members have lots of bad memories from the days of Cultural Revolution. Some of them probably were nearly killed. So I am not surprised that they have such private feelings, which are confided to their close relatives and friends. But some of political elites can be bloody rutheless when it becomes necessary. On the scale of Mao and Saddam, I do not know.

This would not to say that they are about to take power and change the China. That will take years.

9 posted on 04/09/2003 11:40:20 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Re #9

To take a rough analogy, China today is the Soviet Union under Brezhnev with better economy. It still has totalitarian system, but it is wearing down. There will be bad shake-out coming in the future.

10 posted on 04/09/2003 11:57:49 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: bonesmccoy
"Utter nonsense. The older chinese are NOT backing the war in Iraq. If they did, why did the Chinese not assist the Coalition?"

It said the older Chinese, not the Chinese govt.
11 posted on 04/10/2003 6:22:01 AM PDT by Enemy Of The State
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To: Enemy Of The State; All
that doesn't change my opinion. My interpretation of the article is that it is NY Times attempting to rewrite the facts regarding the position of the Communist Chinese Government with respect to Resolution 1441 and all other resolutions holding Saddam Hussein accountable for violation of international law.

Somehow, I doubt that most "old Chinese people" are even aware of the UN.

Thirdly, I find it remarkably racist of the NY Times to single out the "older Chinese". If this was being written about "older French", would we be doubting the political implication of the story?
12 posted on 04/10/2003 8:25:31 AM PDT by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: bonesmccoy
my point is that you singled out the "old Chinese" and lumped their views in the heap with the Communist Government. While there are a great many supporters of the communist govt. There are also a great many elder Chinese who do look favorably upon the United States.

"Somehow, I doubt that most "old Chinese people" are even aware of the UN."

With all due respect, dont be so naive. While many countries do not truly know what the UN is about, they do know about the UN and the do know what it is. They may be old but they aren't dumb.

"Thirdly, I find it remarkably racist of the NY Times to single out the "older Chinese". If this was being written about "older French", would we be doubting the political implication of the story?"

Racist? Maybe you mean discriminatory? In either case, I dont see the connection.

13 posted on 04/10/2003 8:58:03 AM PDT by Enemy Of The State
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To: bonesmccoy
It would be a fallacy to equate pro-democracy with pro-America. Even our buddies, like Mexico and Canada, did not support us during the war.

The Chinese will do what is best for China.
14 posted on 04/10/2003 10:52:46 AM PDT by Fishing-guy
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To: Fishing-guy
It would be a fallacy to equate pro-democracy with pro-America. Even our buddies, like Mexico and Canada, did not support us during the war.

In reviewing my comment, I never equated pro-democracy with pro-America. In what way did I make such an assertion?

15 posted on 04/10/2003 7:11:57 PM PDT by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: Enemy Of The State
1. I'm not naive.
2. Are you defending the NY Times?
3. Do you disagree with my assertion that the story is PRC spin?
16 posted on 04/10/2003 7:13:07 PM PDT by bonesmccoy (Defeat the terrorists... Vaccinate!)
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To: bonesmccoy
"1. I'm not naive.
2. Are you defending the NY Times?
3. Do you disagree with my assertion that the story is PRC spin?"
1. You sound like it 2. I didn't say anything in defence of NYT. 3. I told you what I disagree with.
17 posted on 04/10/2003 7:37:51 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State
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