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YOU'RE NOT PATRIOTIC, YOU'RE A TRAITOR
Iconoclast ^ | April 10, 2003 | Erik Barath

Posted on 04/10/2003 7:05:53 AM PDT by Apolitical

THE ICONOCLAST
WEEKLY RANT


YOU'RE NOT PATRIOTIC, YOU'RE A TRAITOR



By Erik Barath


Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing, especially when practiced by me. So allow me to flex my Constitutionally protected muscle.

You! Yes you! The ones at the New York "die ins" and San Franciscan "vomit ins" and all other protesters in between. I have a news flash for you. You're not patriotic, brave or remotely respectable. You're vile, hypocritical and accessories to murder.

You stand against everything this country was built on, which by the way, allows you to be so vile without incarceration or execution, punishments which would be imposed on you, for speaking out, by those regimes you stand in solidarity with.

You're un-American and I'm not afraid to say it. If you have the right to erroneously equate George Bush to Adolf Hitler or call America a terrorist nation, I certainly have the right to call you what is already proven.

We see who you are now. Your cohorts in the liberal media can't vouch for you anymore. Your vile protest signs and offensive chants made sure of that. The jig is up. Even your greatest sponsors, CNN, couldn't hide the fact that Marxist, anti-Semitic groups organize your little shindigs. They can't hide your support of North Korea's butcher, Kim Jong-Il or your denial of Tiennamen Square. They can't hide your hatred for the state of Israel or your hatred for the US military. The same military that gave and sustains your right to be so hateful.

And your view of this war is illustrative of who you really are. You echo the Iraqi propaganda minister Baghdad Bob's every words. You would rather believe the words of proven liars rather than those from the free world. You're a bunch of walking, second rate slogans without merit or shred of reality.

Peace is not a bumper sticker, tie dyed T-shirt or hand gesture. It is something which comes from the great sacrifice of the few so that many more can live better live in the future. But what would you know about sacrifice? I see who you are. Most of you are young, un-showered, un-disciplined, unemployed and overrated. It seems that the vast majority of you come from well off households and attend elite Universities. You hold anti corporate hostilities but wear the latest gear from Ambercrombie & Finch. Everything you have came from the system you rage against.

And speaking of peace, the song "Give Peace a Chance" never liberated an oppressed peoples. Nor was John Lennon a great diplomat who ever softened the hearts of Pol Pot, Saddam or KIm Jong-Il. But since you people get your marching orders from Lennon songs, here's one I believe in. "Happiness is a Warm Gun."(bang bang, shoot shoot)

Freedom has always come at the end of a warm, smoking gun. America's freedom, and subsequent Constitution, resulted from war as did the freedom of slaves. Most of Europe would speak German and reside as German satellite states if not for American guns. Bosnian Muslims, collectively, would have been relegated to fertilizer if not for the guns of the US.

Your silly banners, T-shirts, bumper stickers and hand gestures have never aided anyone's liberation.And what's your obsession with leftist ideology and Communism? Are you so out of touch with historic reality? Or do you have a sadistic romanticist identification with murderous rule?

Marching behind the banners of the Socialist Workers Party while holding signs that equate Bush to Hitler is obscene. Standing together with an organization that supports Kim Jong-Il lends no credence to your argument that a war In Iraq will take innocent lives. You obviously support the taking of innocent lives as long as it's not taken by American soldiers.

And what about innocent lives? Saddam kills a truckload of Iraqis by the time you awake in each afternoon to your breakfast of granola and hemp juice. Get a clue.

But most of you are adamant about Bush being the king of evil in this world. Of course, that is, until one of you are forced to deal with actual reality.

Kenneth Joseph, a young American pastor, went to Iraq as a human shield. Once there, Joseph was quick to learn that Iraqis were praying for the war. They said that they were willing to get their homes demolished if it meant the end of Hussein. Joseph said: "Their tales of slow torture and killing made me ill, such as people put in a huge shredder for plastic products, feet first so they could hear their screams as bodies got chewed up from foot to head."

Kenneth Joseph now supports the war. What a surprise......

(Excerpt) Read more at iconoclast.ca ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: hypocrites; peaceniks; traitors
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1 posted on 04/10/2003 7:05:53 AM PDT by Apolitical
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2 posted on 04/10/2003 7:07:27 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: wimpycat; Catspaw; Poohbah; Dog Gone
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3 posted on 04/10/2003 7:09:10 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (France is evil, but France has been DEFEATED - again)
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To: Apolitical
Wow, this is a great piece and I'm keeping it.
4 posted on 04/10/2003 7:10:52 AM PDT by Mihalis
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To: hchutch; risk; dighton; general_re; sinkspur
Peace is not a bumper sticker, tie dyed T-shirt or hand gesture. It is something which comes from the great sacrifice of the few so that many more can live better live in the future. But what would you know about sacrifice? I see who you are. Most of you are young, un-showered, un-disciplined, unemployed and overrated. It seems that the vast majority of you come from well off households and attend elite Universities. You hold anti corporate hostilities but wear the latest gear from Ambercrombie & Finch. Everything you have came from the system you rage against.

And speaking of peace, the song "Give Peace a Chance" never liberated an oppressed peoples. Nor was John Lennon a great diplomat who ever softened the hearts of Pol Pot, Saddam or KIm Jong-Il.

A guy after my own heart.

5 posted on 04/10/2003 7:15:00 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (France is evil, but France has been DEFEATED - again)
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To: Apolitical
"I respect anyone with well thought-out
opinions, but I don't always agree with them. I firmly believe that we put ourselves at risk by not trying to understand the motivations of those who would harm us, and instead listen only to the justifications given by those advocating military action. I would never excuse the killing of innocents as a form of political speech (terrorism), but we dismiss out of hand their claims of legitimate grievances at our own peril. Even if we conclude they're not justified, we could end up being dead right."
This is an e-mail from my brother-in-law.


"Freedom has always come at the end of a warm, smoking gun. America's freedom, and subsequent Constitution, resulted from war as did the freedom of slaves. Most of Europe would speak German and reside as German satellite states if not for American guns. Bosnian Muslims, collectively, would have been relegated to fertilizer if not" for the guns of the US."
And this is from the article above.


How do I get this guy to understand what this is all about without getting emotional??
6 posted on 04/10/2003 7:19:04 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Bush/Rice 2004- pray & fast for our troops this lent)
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
I'm beginning to believe that these people are members of a cult. They certainly have a cult mentality.
8 posted on 04/10/2003 7:23:19 AM PDT by wimpycat ('Nemo me impune lacessit')
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To: netmilsmom
Explain to him that there are people on the earth who by upbringing or nature cannot be reasoned with - that they are sociopaths who will not let anything get in the way of their whims. That they surround themselves with like minded individuals, and exploit the average human tendency for society and some degree of conformity to extend their reach throughout society.

These are the regimes which cannot be reasoned with, and diplomacy fails because they mock it, and are quite adept at saying onething yet doing another in order to exploit the sensitivities of those of the antiwar stance, and to bring about a paralysis in policy. Those are the dictators that cannot be dealt with except through strength, resolve, and a willingness to say "no more, you've had your last chance".

Hussein had twelve years of last chances, and either he or his successor son would have gravely threatened the world in time to come.

9 posted on 04/10/2003 7:28:02 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (France is evil, but France has been DEFEATED - again)
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To: Apolitical
BUMP! Bookmarked.
13 posted on 04/10/2003 7:44:12 AM PDT by shadowman99
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To: Apolitical
Totally excellent piece!

MEGA bump to the top!!

14 posted on 04/10/2003 7:46:23 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: wimpycat
I have a cousin in NJ who is an "anti".
I'm thinking of sending this to her... should I?
15 posted on 04/10/2003 7:47:32 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: netmilsmom
...How do I get this guy to understand what this is all about without getting emotional??...

Just send him the text of this thread.

16 posted on 04/10/2003 7:49:42 AM PDT by Mihalis
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To: Apolitical
Great article. Wish all the traitors will be going on a vacation abroad, and they have to stay there - to enjoy the "freedoms" of the rest of the world. Would want to pray that those deceived characters are somehow thrown out of this land.
17 posted on 04/10/2003 7:56:42 AM PDT by Hila
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To: Apolitical
Bookmarked. Thanks for finding this article and posting it!
18 posted on 04/10/2003 7:59:45 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Being a Monthly Donor to Free Republic is the Right Thing to do!)
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To: mykdsmom; 100%FEDUP; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; ~Vor~; A2J; a4drvr; Adder; Aegedius; AlaninSA; ..
Pinging the NC crowd.
This has nothing to do with NC, but it's such a spot-on article I had to share it.

CD

20 posted on 04/10/2003 8:05:50 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Apolitical; All
Besides this thread, you and other freepers might want to go to this tread posted by Backhoe to bookmark it:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/889383/posts

When the Dungeon Doors Swing Open...
various FR links | 04-09-03 | The Heavy Equipment Guy


Posted on 04/09/2003 5:13 PM PDT by backhoe



Over the past few months I have noticed and noted a repeated question from FR members:

"What will they
( the appeasers, enablers, obstructionists and refusenicks of the Left )
do when the dungeon doors of Saddam's criminal regime swing open and the victims of his brutality pour out and tell their tales to a horrified world?"

Let's cull some links from our posts here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/889383/posts
21 posted on 04/10/2003 8:06:15 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Being a Monthly Donor to Free Republic is the Right Thing to do!)
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To: Apolitical

Overprivileged White Man's Burden (Dictators over Liberty)


22 posted on 04/10/2003 8:07:47 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Apolitical
Harumpf!!!
23 posted on 04/10/2003 8:07:53 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dighton; general_re; BlueLancer
#19: (On a side-note, what ever happened to my basic freedom to walk around nude? How can you make a law against something which mother nature herself deemed as we are born nude?)

Gents, you may want to come and peruse this little rant.


24 posted on 04/10/2003 8:10:55 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Apolitical
You're a bunch of walking, second rate slogans without merit or shred of reality.

brilliant!

25 posted on 04/10/2003 8:12:19 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: megiblet
You may not be anti-American, but you enable those who are.

You are worthless to the cause of freedom.

26 posted on 04/10/2003 8:18:34 AM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: megiblet; Constitution Day; BlueLancer; general_re; aculeus; Chancellor Palpatine; hchutch
(On a side-note, what ever happened to my basic freedom to walk around nude? How can you make a law against something which mother nature herself deemed as we are born nude?)

Welcome to FreeRepublic.

That is a good question, deserving of serious consideration. Photographs would be helpful.

27 posted on 04/10/2003 8:19:18 AM PDT by dighton
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To: wimpycat
"I'm beginning to believe that these people are members of a cult. They certainly have a cult mentality."

They share the same pathology - sociopath.
28 posted on 04/10/2003 8:20:41 AM PDT by Search4Truth (When will the Iraqi people claim their right of Badal?)
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To: Apolitical
Peace is not a bumper sticker, tie dyed T-shirt or hand gesture. It is something which comes from the great sacrifice of the few so that many more can live better live in the future

"We live in a great and free country only because our forefathers were willing to wage war rather than accept the peace that spells destruction." --Teddy Roosevelt

29 posted on 04/10/2003 8:21:13 AM PDT by Wil H
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I agree wholeheartedly.
I will check in later for any supporting photos - I mean evidence - she may post.
30 posted on 04/10/2003 8:25:33 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Rulling Lord
Tinfoil Hat Alert!
31 posted on 04/10/2003 8:26:00 AM PDT by CaptainJustice (Dangerous Jesus Lover)
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To: megiblet
You are young still, that's your fault. But keep thinking, and keep talking, you're on your way to discovering the truth, but not quite there yet. You are still a little fuzzy on good and evil. That understanding will come with age. Until then, you should defer to your elders.

The fact that you are willing to submit your conclusions for honest criticisms is a good sign.

BTW, Welcome to Free Republic
32 posted on 04/10/2003 8:28:28 AM PDT by Search4Truth (When will the Iraqi people claim their right of Badal?)
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To: megiblet
All lives are innocent? Did you really type that? Wow...

The Iraqi regime is guilty and deserves to be brought to justice. I'm sorry you can't understand that.
33 posted on 04/10/2003 8:28:32 AM PDT by CaptainJustice (Dangerous Jesus Lover)
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To: Rulling Lord
What is a rulling lord?
34 posted on 04/10/2003 8:29:43 AM PDT by johnb838 (Free Republic of Iraq)
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To: megiblet
Since 1982, according to the Stockholm watchdog group on non-proliferation, the US has sent or sold less than 1% of the arms that have gone to Saddam, the French 13% and the Russians 50%....its a fiction we armed him.

We did indeed acknowledge him and work with him at the time of the Iranian hostage taking, even the original Iraqi monarchy recognized him when he started.

But your response above points out the problems with the article...it uses hyperbole and you respond resonably thereby looking more realistic and reasonable. The truth of the article is deminished by things such as the use of the word "traitor". Thoughtfull conservatives recall that the Constitution specifically reserved "Treason" to exact specifics so that its broad charge could not be used as the English had used it, do blanket their political foes, and this is the weakness of the article.

However, the motives, nature, sources and organizing of the leftist opposition is no less real due to the overwrought language. Be careful who you associate yourself with as you will find that "reasonableness" put to good use as all the "useful idiots" have since the days of Lenin and Stalin.

35 posted on 04/10/2003 8:30:06 AM PDT by KC Burke
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To: megiblet
Perhaps you should try to understand the context of the article and not interject other topics such as homelessness. Freedom is an ideal - not an obligation. In this country you are free to succeed or fail on your own merits - not free to get a handout or healthcare insurance. We are not a socialist state - and by God we did not take you to raise. I hope you learn that you save the world by tiny efforts to make yourself and your community a better place. You can't save the world with a hollow man march and snappy idiotic chants. Become a doctor and save lives - one person at a time.
36 posted on 04/10/2003 8:30:06 AM PDT by FormerRep
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To: dighton; general_re; megiblet; Constitution Day; BlueLancer; Chancellor Palpatine; hchutch
I have read numerous things on Bush and his connection with the oil industry ...

Let me guess. On a tee shirt?

37 posted on 04/10/2003 8:31:37 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: megiblet
I'm with dighton. You brought up the nekkid thing - we need pictures to see whether you should be allowed to walk around nekkid. Good body art and interesting piercings are a bonus.

;)

Welcome to FR.

38 posted on 04/10/2003 8:32:00 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (France is evil, but France has been DEFEATED - again)
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To: Admin Moderator
Please don't ZOT megiblet! (yet)

We have to hear (& see) her further response.

39 posted on 04/10/2003 8:32:38 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: megiblet
Hello. Are you online? Please ping me when you get back. You are young which means there is hope for you. Unfortunately, you have been brainwashed. That is not your fault. But, it is your responsibility to become educated on the facts. You do have a busy life with a child to raise. What a joy that you have this child! Don't you want her to be able to live in a free country? The people who want to end your child's freedom are the same people who have brainwashed you so much that you do not understand how much it COSTS to be able to be free.

And, yes, America has its problems. MANY problems. That is why this website came into being. The biggest problem is that many millions of people in this country are only getting news from certain biased sources - sources with an agenda. And that agenda is NOT Freedom! It is just the opposite, no matter what beautiful words are used to cover over the loathing of God-given freedom held in the hearts of those behind the propaganda (lies).

For instance, Bill and Hillary Clinton believe that "all this radical freedom" in America is a bad thing. A dangerous thing. That is because, behind their lovely rhetoric, are hearts sold out to Marxism, the most anti-freedom worldview in the history of mankind.

Those who tell you "free healthcare" is your right want you to be standing in line for your limited healthcare treatment while they and the other privileged elite (like Saddam's former elites in Iraq, and like the Communist Party's elite in the old evil Soviet Union) are given every top quality health treatment, food, jobs possible.

The unfortunate thing to discover is that one reason you have such horrible pay and are scraping by financially is because those you think are your 'friends' in government are actually robbing you blind. It is not Republicans who want to take half your hard earned pay to use for their power promoting projects. It is not Republicans who want to force you to have substandard healthcare while their party members (Unions, Federal Workers) have unmatched healthcare for life that YOU are forced to pay for with your hard earned tax dollars. It is not the Republicans who are constantly stopping all efforts to reduce your taxes and enable you to keep more of your hard earned money. It is not Republicans who fear freedom and independence. It is YOUR (wrongly supported) heroes on the left who want you a slave. They don't care one whit for you or your child in reality. They ONLY WANT YOUR MONEY FROM YOUR TAXES SO THEY CAN STAY IN POWER. POWER IS ALL THEY CARE ABOUT AND THEY WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO ACHIEVE THAT POWER.

It is no mere coincidence that the people you support are tied philosophically to Saddam Hussein (Baath Socialist Party), to Stalin (Communist Workers' Party), to Hitler (Nazi = National SOCIALIST Party), Mao (People's Republic ha ha ha), etc. It is no mere coincidence that the people you think will make your life easier are really intent on enslaving you and your child unless you morphe into one of their party elites. Then you might wind up with the best of the best - while the rest of America suffers in chains.

The reason the people you identify with are associated philosophically with the world's worst butcher dictators is that the philosophy you are supporting denies the real truths about man, about God, and about this earth (creation) that you supposedly cherish.

Here are the truths they (you) deny:

1. You as a human being were created by God in His image. His Son Jesus Christ died for you on a horrible cross taking your sins upon Himself so that you might enjoy eternal life with God.

2. God Created this world, and YOU, and your child, and longs for you to live in close fellowship with Him, but you may choose Him or reject Him according to your "free moral choice." God did not create puppets. YOU ARE TRULY FREE. All who cherish true freedom ARE ALIGNED WITH GOD. All who hate freedom are against HIM.

3. People who cherish this earth, and our natural resources, and all the beauty of God's creation also know that God gave us this world and all that is in it as a trust but also to be for OUR benefit. While we cherish all life, we know that not all life is equal. Plants and animals are given for mankind's benefit. Part of God's gift to us. We are to have "dominion" over these gifts. Yes, we are to use them wisely. But go into ANY MARXIST COUNTRY (home of the philosophy you cherish) and you will find these natural resources are squandered and the pollution, smog, and stench that comes with corrupting the beauty of the earth are OVERWHELMING. Yet, in the nations built on the historic Christian worldview have the cleanest air, water, and earth of all the civilizations in the world! That is also not a mere coincidence.

You need to become educated. You need to seek - and you will find - the truth about things.

Make a commitment to gather truth from other sources (like Free Republic) than you have been getting and you will, like so many other "former "liberals" here - be set free indeed!

40 posted on 04/10/2003 8:32:47 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Apolitical
Whew...man what a work out. I have found a new web site. Thanks for the post!!!!!
41 posted on 04/10/2003 8:33:07 AM PDT by Ga Rob (I'm not the cause of your problems.....you are!!)
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To: Constitution Day
Give it a shot, but it probably won't do any good.
42 posted on 04/10/2003 8:33:51 AM PDT by wimpycat ('Nemo me impune lacessit')
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To: wimpycat
She's young still.
Speaking of which, check out #19.
43 posted on 04/10/2003 8:35:04 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: aculeus
On a serious note, for all the hysterical ranting about how things are done "just so we can have cheap oil" (untrue in this instance for reasons discussed ad nauseum), none of them has ever bothered to consider what the impact their desire for expensive oil would have on the lives of all but the super wealthy. Impacted worst of all would be the poor.
44 posted on 04/10/2003 8:38:41 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (France is evil, but France has been DEFEATED - again)
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To: Constitution Day
Pervert......LOL
45 posted on 04/10/2003 8:39:06 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (France is evil, but France has been DEFEATED - again)
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< shocked expression >

Moi?

I only want to see proof of her claims on this 'basic freedom to walk around nude'!

< / shocked expression>

47 posted on 04/10/2003 8:42:16 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Apolitical
There are times when you read something and the only thought you have when done is, I wish I would have written that. Thanks for posting it!
48 posted on 04/10/2003 8:44:53 AM PDT by Dad was my hero
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To: megiblet
I dislike Bush because he does nothing for the majority of Americans, his thoughts are only with his pockets, and with the pockets of his funders and "rich" allies.

This is obviously not an opinion you developed by knowing Bush personally, by knowing any of his friends personally, or by observation of his actions as President. So who told you this was the "truth"?

He does not give us universal health care, which is a universal right, nor does he do anything to strengthen laws to help our planet, on the contrary, he has been cutting them to pieces.

The US Senate voted down the Kyoto treaty 95-0. Universal Health Care has to paid for by somebody...is it a "universal right" to pick someone else's pocket to indemnify people against poor lifestyle choices like smoking and overeating? Again, someone told you this glib and shallow rationalization and you are just repeating it verbatim. Who?

49 posted on 04/10/2003 8:45:35 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: megiblet
Now that Liberal Extra Strong isn't selling too well, this sounds like test-marketing for Liberal Lite ("Now with less anti-Americanism!" (TM) )


Just be smart and give it up altogether.
50 posted on 04/10/2003 8:46:45 AM PDT by hemogoblin (Jihad? Bring it on you bastards)
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