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U.S. Marines Guard Secret Iraqi City with Very Hot Nuclear Radiation Levels
News Pundit.net ^ | 4/10/2003 | Douglas Oliver

Posted on 04/10/2003 9:35:05 AM PDT by ex-Texan

U.S. Marines Guard Secret Iraqi City with Very Hot Nuclear Radiation Levels . . . Other than FOX, No American Television News Reports

In a valley 18 miles south of Baghdad the U.S. Marines guard a secret underground city. It lies under the city of Al-Tuwaitha that belongs to Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission. Earlier investigators and U.S. military Secret Operations squads located the top secret underground facility. Reports are beginning to come in that International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors sent to Iraq had never been allowed to inspect the huge secret complex. Now the Marines against enemy counter-attacks.

Reportedly, the complex has over 14 buildings that have very high levels of radiation. The radiation levels are so high that inspectors were shocked and dismayed. The inspectors also located caverns and storage facilities where many drums hold very dangerous "hot" water. The radiation levels are off the charts. It is unsafe for humans to be anywhere near this storage area.. Only three hours of exposure would cause uncontrolled vomiting.

I quote brief excerpt from the Pittsburg Tribune-Review which published this report earlier today:

* * * Last fall, they say, the Central Intelligence Agency prodded international inspectors to probe Al-Tuwaitha for weapons of mass destruction. The inspectors came away with nothing.

"They went through that site multiple times, but did they go underground? I never heard anything about that," said physicist David Albright, a former IAEA Action Team inspector in Iraq from 1992 to 1997. Officials at the IAEA could not be reached for comment.

* * * "The Marines should be particularly careful because of those high readings. Three hours at levels like that and people begin to vomit. That leads me to wonder, if the readings are accurate, whether radioactive material was deliberately left there to expose people to dangerous levels.

"You couldn't do scientific work in levels like that. You would die." * * *

I urge NewsPundit.net readers to read the complete report on the link above. It is a major breaking news report. It is very hot news.

Nuclear "Smoking Gun" Discovered

This morning FOX News was reporting the discovery. Nothing has been presented on the other major networks. When will CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC report this major breaking news story?

Maybe later this week. Maybe next week. Maybe after Iraq has been under total American control for three months. Your guess is as good as mine.

The report as been on the news wires for over four hours now. That is more than enough time for the higher ups to make a decision about whether talking heads ought to deliver the news to audiences across the nation. Why are they sitting on the story?.

Perhaps the report is too "radioactive" for the other major news networks to go near?

Are they waiting to interview Hans Blix? Mr. Blix ?

(Excerpt) Read more at newspundit.net ...


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1 posted on 04/10/2003 9:35:06 AM PDT by ex-Texan
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To: ex-Texan
Round up all of the left wing rats in America from Senators/congressits to the mediots to the follywood scumbags and send them over there to be walking radiation detectors.
2 posted on 04/10/2003 9:39:15 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Being a Monthly Donor to Free Republic is the Right Thing to do!)
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To: ex-Texan
Mr. Blix as well as the majority of the U.N. were simply trying to avoid a war. They probably know good and well that it was there and were trying to keep us from finding out that that same majority of U.N. members were the ones responsible for Saddam having these WMD's. Keep the U.N. and especially the French & Germans out of Iraq.
3 posted on 04/10/2003 9:39:17 AM PDT by HELLRAISER II
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4 posted on 04/10/2003 9:39:33 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Grampa Dave
I agree and when one falls put the next one in line, I hope they put Susan Sarandon, Martin Sheen & Barbara Streisand at the front.
5 posted on 04/10/2003 9:40:23 AM PDT by HELLRAISER II
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To: ex-Texan
Nuclear is the most worrisome of the WMD in my opinion...I wonder how far they got with the program.
6 posted on 04/10/2003 9:41:29 AM PDT by smith288 (Visit my gallery http://www.ejsmithweb.com/fr/hollywood/hollywood.php)
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To: ex-Texan
"...Other than FOX, No American Television News Reports..."

Is this a surprise to anyone?

7 posted on 04/10/2003 9:41:48 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: TommyDale
No - bump.
8 posted on 04/10/2003 9:44:03 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: ex-Texan
bump
9 posted on 04/10/2003 9:44:18 AM PDT by VOA
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To: HELLRAISER II
They were not merely trying to avoid a war - they were doing their best to perpetuate the evil regime, maintain status quo & selfishly improve their own personal standing.
11 posted on 04/10/2003 9:44:52 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: ex-Texan
I am glad at least FoxNews got around to reporting it.
We had a thread about this based on the Pittsburgh Tribune Review article yesterday and one of the things we discussed is exactly, why aren't other media reporting it. In fact several of us actually sent the link to FoxNews, nice to know they are reporting it now.
Eventually WorldNetDaily picked it up too, also based on the Tribuen article, which is worth reading, has lots of interesting details.

Here is the link to the thread, where there are also interesting things mentioned by posters, and I am copying the article here to make it easy to read for those who missed, I think this is a MAJOR smoking gun.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/889087/posts

Marines hold nuclear site
Pittsburgh Tribune Review ^ | Wednesday, April 9, 2003 | Carl Prine


Posted on 04/09/2003 10:29 AM PDT by Ditto


SOUTH OF BAGHDAD — In a valley sculpted by man, between the palms and roses, lies a vast marble and steel city known as Al-Tuwaitha.

In the suburbs about 18 miles south of the capital's suburbs, this city comprises nearly 100 buildings — workshops, laboratories, cooling towers, nuclear reactors, libraries and barracks — that belong to the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission.

Investigators Tuesday discovered that Al-Tuwaitha hides another city. This underground nexus of labs, warehouses, and bomb-proof offices was hidden from the public and, perhaps, International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors who combed the site just two months ago, until the U.S. Marine Corps Combat Engineers discovered it three days ago.

Today, the Marines hold it against enemy counter-attacks.


So far, Marine nuclear and intelligence experts have discovered 14 buildings that betray high levels of radiation. Some of the readings show nuclear residue too deadly for human occupation.

A few hundred meters outside the complex, where peasants say the "missile water" is stored in mammoth caverns, the Marine radiation detectors go "off the charts."

"It's amazing," said Chief Warrant Officer Darrin Flick, the battalion's nuclear, biological and chemical warfare specialist. "I went to the off-site storage buildings, and the rad detector went off the charts. Then I opened the steel door, and there were all these drums, many, many drums, of highly radioactive material."

To nuclear experts in the United States, the discovery of a subterranean complex is highly interesting, perhaps the atomic "smoking gun" intelligence agencies have been searching for as Operation Iraqi Freedom unfolds.

Last fall, they say, the Central Intelligence Agency prodded international inspectors to probe Al-Tuwaitha for weapons of mass destruction. The inspectors came away with nothing.

"They went through that site multiple times, but did they go underground? I never heard anything about that," said physicist David Albright, a former IAEA Action Team inspector in Iraq from 1992 to 1997. Officials at the IAEA could not be reached for comment.

"The Marines should be particularly careful because of those high readings. Three hours at levels like that and people begin to vomit. That leads me to wonder, if the readings are accurate, whether radioactive material was deliberately left there to expose people to dangerous levels.

"You couldn't do scientific work in levels like that. You would die."

Albright hopes the Marines safeguard any documents they find and preserve the site for analysis. That, say the Combat Engineers, is their mission.

Nestled in a bend in the Tigris River, Al-Tuwaitha was built in the early 1960s. Nuclear experts believe the government began Iraq's nuclear weapons program there between 1972 and 1976. Satellite imagery shows dramatic expansion at the site in the '70s, '80s and '90s, according to the Institute for Science and International Security.

Mindful of nuclear weapons inspectors, ISIS said the Iraqis developed methods to thwart them when they visited Al-Tuwaitha.

"Iraq developed procedures to limit access to these buildings by IAEA inspectors who had a right to inspect the fuel fabrication facility. On days when the inspectors were scheduled to visit, only the fuel fabrication rooms were open to them. Usually, employees were told to take their rooms so that the inspectors did not see an unusually large number of people," according to a 1999 report Albright wrote with Corey Gay and Khidhir Hamza for ISIS.

Hamza, an Iraqi nuclear engineer who defected from Iraq in 1994, testified before Congress last August that Iraq could have had nuclear weapons by 2005.

Yesterday, Hamza expressed great surprise that the underground site could even exist. The ground there is muddy and composed of clay, he said. The water table is barely a foot and a half below the surface of the ground. During construction of one of the former nuclear reactors there, French engineers spent a fortune pumping water from the foundation area, only to see buildings crumble when the water was removed.

Hamza said the French built a reactor at Al-Tuwaitha that Israel destroyed in 1981. The Russians built a reactor that was destroyed during the Gulf War. Both had the muddy ground to contend with.

So the Marine's discovery makes the former atomic inspector wonder if the Iraqis went to the colossal expense of pumping enough water to build the underground city because no reasonable inspector would think anything might be built underground there.

Nobody would expect it,” Hamza said. “Nobody would think twice about going back there.”

Despite being destroyed twice by bombings, Al-Tuwaitha nevertheless grew to become headquarters of the Iraqi nuclear program, with several research reactors, plutonium processors and uranium enrichment facilities bustling, according to the Federation of American Scientists.

"The plutonium processing was dispersed on-site by the bombing in 1991," said Michael Levi, the Federation's director. "But the Iraqis started to rebuild it. And they continued building there after 1998, when the Iraqis ended the inspections.

"I do not believe the latest round of inspections included anything underground, so anything you find underground would be very suspicious. It sounds absolutely amazing."

Outside the gates yesterday, children on donkeys dragged air conditioners from the area, part of the ongoing looting of government offices, Iraqi army forts and Baathist Party headquarters.

The nuclear scientists, engineers and technicians, housed in a plush neighborhood near the campus, have run away, along with Baathist party loyalists.

Farmers in rags drive the scientists' Mercedes and Land Rovers across Highway Six, filled with looted color televisions, silk rugs and Burberry suits.

That's where the Marines see the grand irony.

Amidst grinding poverty, where peasants eke an existence out of dust and river water, the Saddam Hussein regime built a lavish atomic weapons program. In a nation with some of the world's largest petroleum reserves, Saddam saw the need for nuclear energy.

"It's going to take some very smart people a very long time to sift through everything here," said Flick. "All this machinery. All this technology. They could do a lot of very bad things with all of this."

The mayor of this high-tech city is, for now, Capt. John Seegar, a combat engineer commander from Houston, Tx. He trudges up the 10-story hillocks hiding the campus from the surrounding villages and, crossing near a demolished mud bunker, it all opens up, gleaming and swaddled in roses.

"I've never seen anything like it, ever," said Seegar, who leads a company of combat engineers turned into combat grunts. "How did the world miss all of this? Why couldn't they see what was happening here?"

Seegar's biggest headache: Peasant looters, who keep cutting through the miles of barbed wire, no longer electrified because the war killed the power. He cradles in his arms blueprints in Arabic, showing recent construction, and maps in English, detailing which buildings test radioactive. Next to each, Seegar's placed an asterisk.

"Three weeks ago, the scientists seemed to have abandoned the complex," said Seegar. "That's what the villagers say. The place was protected by the Special Republic Guard, but they deserted it, too. Four days ago, everyone was gone. Then we came."

For him, Al-Tuwaitha is like a crime scene, and the next detectives on the atomic beat will be Army specialists.

Seegar promises to hold the nuclear site until international authorities can take over. His men hunker down in sandbag bunkers, sleepless, gripping machine guns.

Last night, they followed running gun and artillery battles on both sides of the complex, fought by U.S. Marines and soldiers against Iraqi Republican Guards and Fedayeen terrorists.

In the deserted edifices of Iraqi science, there is the omnipresent Saddam. Paintings show Saddam with scientists; Saddam with farmers; Saddam with soldiers. On the walls, Saddam's face. In the scrub surrounding the guard bunkers, murals of Saddam. There are books of Saddam sayings. Scientists' offices glitter with medals, from Saddam.

The offices underground, under unlit signs warning of "Gas/Gaz," are stuffed with videos and pictures, all showing how this complex was built, largely over the last four years after formal international inspections ended. The Marines haven't even mapped all the subterranean tunnels veining the site.

In an above-ground library built like a fortress with a beautiful alabaster marble now washed in dust and mud, the clocks stopped at ten minutes until one. The stacks, cool because of the marble, hold the scientific manuals, textbooks and published papers for the Iraqi intelligentsia.

In the commanding general's study, goldfish still swim in a long tank, glittering like the medals on his desk from Saddam.

"Peaceful Uses of Atomic Energy for Scientific and Economic Development," a bulky green tome published in 1975, leans against the general's wall, under a picture of Saddam, whose Baathist Party came to power four years later in a bloody coup.

On a mantle, folded under documents, a Christmas card never sent. On the front is a dove, its wings the ellipses of the atom, tinged in orange, yellow and green. Under it, a tiger, facing backward, its body a swirl of Arabic letters. Inside the card: "Rights of Third World Peoples To Alternate Energy Sources For the Future Development of Their Environment and Culture."

The next page: "Let Us Hope This New Year Will Be a Year of Peace and Justice and With All Good Wishes for Christmas and the New Year." Signed, Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission. Baghdad.


Carl Prine can be reached at cprine@tribweb.com.


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12 posted on 04/10/2003 9:45:32 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: smith288
I totally agree. I still can't consider the Iraq conflict in hand because of exactly this possibility. Any nuke experts out there know if this kind of radiation (spent pile materials and heavy water?) could be used as a screen for nuclear weapons?
13 posted on 04/10/2003 9:46:45 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: ex-Texan
But ... inspections are working ...?? [sarcasm]

The people who made this statement are the ones who should receive a copy of this story.

And ... when we get inside, I bet you dollars to donuts we will find 3 names, France, Germany and Russia.
14 posted on 04/10/2003 9:48:23 AM PDT by The Final Harvest
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To: Grampa Dave
start with the Hollywood nitwits... especially those who swore to leave the US if Dubya was elected (and then did not)
15 posted on 04/10/2003 9:48:48 AM PDT by demosthenes the elder (The Jesuits TRAINED me - they didn't TAME me)
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To: TommyDale
I'm not surprized.

But I would also like to make sure any news coming out these days is "VERIFIED" unequivicably. (Not sure if I spelled that right.. unequivically? .. heck you know what I mean :o)

Make sure BEFORE we report it around the world. Otherwise it looks like we are spreading propaganda. In an effort to break stories..we've had a ton of recent ones that didn't pan out. It makes us look reactionary rather than intelligent and cautious. Just MHO

FRegards, Vets
16 posted on 04/10/2003 9:48:57 AM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Steven W.
You're absolutely right, they were doing their best to save an evil and corrupt regime so that they could profit off the lives of the Iraqi people.
17 posted on 04/10/2003 9:49:07 AM PDT by HELLRAISER II
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To: ex-Texan
I dont buy the "left wing media conspiracy" theory about this story. There must be SOME reason they are not reporting it. Perhaps they are waiting confirmation that there is something really that abnormal about the site. High radiation levels might mean that the Iraqi's have stuff stored and they were stupid about radiation safety, I dont know. I see the rest of the media jump all over the potential chemical weapons finds, so I dont know why they havent covered this story yet. Like I said, maybe they are awaiting further confirmation that there is something wrong down there first..
18 posted on 04/10/2003 9:49:40 AM PDT by Paradox
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To: ex-Texan
Rush just talked about this... I'm listening now.
19 posted on 04/10/2003 9:51:02 AM PDT by El Laton Caliente
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To: HELLRAISER II; Jeff Head; Squantos; wardaddy; harpseal
And the UN thinks they should be invited in to restructure post-Saddam Iraq?
20 posted on 04/10/2003 9:51:42 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Grampa Dave
Round up all of the left wing rats in America from Senators/congressits to the mediots to the follywood scumbags and send them over there to be walking radiation detectors.

Most of the scum bags will probably still deny the reality of the place. What scum bags.

21 posted on 04/10/2003 9:52:11 AM PDT by Mark17
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To: ex-Texan
Given the previous premature reports of "chemical weapons" being found, we should be cautious about this. Maybe it's just a repository for old nuclear waste, or maybe it's related to an ongoing nuclear weapons facility. Too soon to tell . . .
22 posted on 04/10/2003 9:52:29 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: ex-Texan
I read one other article on us finding nukes nuke plant in Iraq. I just checked Fox News online nothing.

What ever happened to the MOBILE trailor tractor bio chem labs even the U.N. inspectors reported on?

23 posted on 04/10/2003 9:53:02 AM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: ex-Texan
Why are the MARINES guarding it???

Why don't the BLUE BERETED PANSY-A$$ UN GIRL SCOUTS COME AND GUARD IT?/
24 posted on 04/10/2003 9:54:23 AM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: Travis McGee
They should be invited to the post-Saddam Iraq, that is after we restructure the Iraqi regime to the way it should be. That of course is something that the U.N. could never accomplish.
25 posted on 04/10/2003 9:54:31 AM PDT by HELLRAISER II
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To: ex-Texan
"...When will CNN, ABC, CBS and NBC report this major breaking news story? "

When it's verified as truth.

I'm a rabid FOX fan, but they've jumped the gun, ending up looking foolish more than once these past three weeks.

Let's cross our fingers that this is the stuff we've been looking for.....

26 posted on 04/10/2003 9:54:40 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: Paradox
they haven't covered the chemical weapons stories - they've gone out of their way to dismiss them! the site where the drums were hidden below ground containing Saddam's deadly sarin+tubin+mustard "cocktail" was quickly dismissed because they (also) had drums of "harmless" French pesticide above ground (something also discovered along with gas masks and CW suits at the PLO terrorist training camp)
27 posted on 04/10/2003 9:55:34 AM PDT by Steven W.
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To: Grampa Dave
Round up all of the left wing rats in America from Senators/congressits to the mediots to the follywood scumbags and send them over there to be walking radiation detectors.

Excellent idea! Martin Sheen and Baaaarbra can lead the pack >:-D

28 posted on 04/10/2003 9:55:46 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
We have plenty of documentation. Just spread the word about Diogenesis great pictorial posts!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/889711/posts


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29 posted on 04/10/2003 9:56:21 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Being a Monthly Donor to Free Republic is the Right Thing to do!)
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To: DCPatriot
In defense of FOX, they only reported what they were being told by "administration insiders" and the military, so it seems that it is not just FOX who is too eager to report these "finds".
30 posted on 04/10/2003 9:57:06 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: DCPatriot
Rush just said that the Iraqis were not supposed to have an nuclear materials !! Bump for Rush.
31 posted on 04/10/2003 9:58:19 AM PDT by ex-Texan (primates capitulards toujours en quete de fromage!)
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To: markmanner
Of course CNN isnt going to report it. They dont have anything good to say about the war.

Breaking ... breaking !!! CNN's Judy Woodruff, who was on suicide watch, has returned to the studio. She is now on low dosage valium and was last seen in hair dressing/make-up where they are fitting her for a wig. It was reported that in her angst yesterday she was observed pulling her hair so violently it was coming out in large patches.

32 posted on 04/10/2003 10:01:07 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: smith288
Nuclear is the most worrisome of the WMD in my opinion...I wonder how far they got with the program.

Really? I am alot more worried about biological weapons. Sure a nuke going off in DC or New York would be horrible, but you can't destory all of the USA with an experimental nuke program from a terrorist state. However, things like Marburg, Ebola, Smallpox. These things really scare me. They have the potential to spread exponentially. In some areas of the Congo and Zaire, Ebola has over a 75% death rate and possibily as high as 90%. If this disease was airborn and had a several day lag time between effects and transmission, watch out.
33 posted on 04/10/2003 10:02:52 AM PDT by CollegeRepublican
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To: Vets_Husband_and_Wife
Make sure BEFORE we report it around the world. Otherwise it looks like we are spreading propaganda. In an effort to break stories..we've had a ton of recent ones that didn't pan out.

I heartily agree, nothing against the source, but did you ever stop to think why this particular paper is the one breaking the story. I love Pittsburgh - but the last I heard the "Trib" was not a leading international publication. I also think that FOX has been the network with the most reported rumors that have proven to be false. Better to be right than first.
34 posted on 04/10/2003 10:09:20 AM PDT by familyofman
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To: BluH2o
Breaking ... breaking !!! CNN's Judy Woodruff, who was on suicide watch, has returned to the studio. She is now on low dosage valium and was last seen in hair dressing/make-up where they are fitting her for a wig. It was reported that in her angst yesterday she was observed pulling her hair so violently it was coming out in large patches.

Ah it's times like thes that I wish I had cable. Seeing some liberal looney implode would be worth $60.00 +. That's just for basic, mind you...

The studio did send a gopher to the grocery store for more kleenex, didn't they????

35 posted on 04/10/2003 10:12:01 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: ex-Texan
Look. We will find WMD's eventually. But so far, this is like all the other prelim reports- wildly overblown. So far there are only reports of DIRTY WATER. It is radioactive for crying out loud. It has to be stored somewhere. Maybe there were plans to weaponize it. I don't know. But nowhere does it say we found nukes or other weapons. We will.
36 posted on 04/10/2003 10:15:37 AM PDT by Hiro Protaginast
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To: CollegeRepublican
"Really? I am alot more worried about biological weapons. Sure a nuke going off in DC or New York would be horrible, but you can't destory all of the USA with an experimental nuke program from a terrorist state."

Consider if this is a hiding place for nukes already obtained on the international blackmarket. Consider some possibilities of what a detonation of a former Soviet warhead in areas with troop concentrations might do at this time:

1. Destroy the core of American assault forces in Iraq.
2. In effect, destroy for some period of time American assault capapbilities world wide.
3. Kill millions of Iraqis.
4. From a propaganda angle, snatch victory from defeat for Islamic audiences.
5. Strike a crippling blow at the Great Satan America.
6. Potentially unify the entire Islamic fundamentalist region.
7. Re-energize the radical Left, the UN advocates, European weenies and all of the related globalists.
8. Demoralize our troops, citizens and allies.
9. Strengthen the media positions that are critical of Bush doctrine and unilateral actions.
10. From defeat, inflict a historic symbol of unparalleled meaning on America and create a mythos as large or larger than Saladin in Islamic minds.
11. On the basis of Saddam's 'heroism' the reality of several generations of Islamic jihadists would be instantaneously created.
12. Instead of dealing with remaining states from of position of authority and respect, Americans would lose all ground and need to deal with hostile throughout the region.
13. Stateside, the new Left in America would potentially gain the upper hand in public consciousness.
14. The Left would unify and present a probable shift in elections for 2004.
15. Conservative doctrines would be tainted and the inertia we now enjoy would dissapate.
16. If the Left regains power, all will be in peril for America and freedoms since the Left is now in an end-game mode for the socialism.

Well, that's just a few thoughts. Troops train for bio/chem warfare but there's nothing you can do about a nuke going off under your feet.
37 posted on 04/10/2003 10:21:59 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: Travis McGee
Maybe this is why the UN, the French and the Ruskies were so much against it.

No telling what one may find in a place like this ... no telling whose fingerprints.

38 posted on 04/10/2003 10:58:04 AM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: familyofman
Good saying "Better to be right, than first". I like it.

I'm listening to the Pentagon briefing, and they say they have only heard what we have heard from embedded reporters regarding it. So, I really think we need to slow down some here.

Starts to be like the little boy who cried wolf, so to speak.

Once we know something "with certainty" then fine, report it. I'm looking forward to the day we announce the WMD too. It will happen.. but lets get the "news" out when it is the "truth" and when it is "correct". If something is "suspected" they need to be careful to say just that. State there is no proof yet.. that we need to await a verification process. To announce something as fact before it is, is irresponsible in MHO.

FRegards, Vets
39 posted on 04/10/2003 11:13:30 AM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Those are good picks. Just make sure that this anti American Hog goes first by himself or with others!


40 posted on 04/10/2003 11:15:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Being a Monthly Donor to Free Republic is the Right Thing to do!)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Would you rather have a nuke go off in NYC or have a ebola pandemic kill 200 million Americans? I was trying to say that the potential terrorist uses of biological weapons have the potential to kill alot more people than several pounds of illegal U or Pu.
41 posted on 04/10/2003 11:24:57 AM PDT by CollegeRepublican
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To: CollegeRepublican
Following the succession of posts, your remarks were offered to smith288 in post #6 who was concerned with the situation in Iraq. The situation there is what my remarks are confined to. The general topic of bioterror is something else again.

I fully agree that biowarfare is dangerous as hell (according to the Russians, SARS may be man-made and it's here in the US now). Even so, there are barriers, time elements, geographic boundaries and prophylactic measures. With strategic nukes, anyone in the kill radius gets flash fried or blenderized by projectile velocity debris. No chance for protective measures, warnings or decontamination.

In any event, dealing with the terror threat is a one nation and leader at a time proposition. I guess I could worry about an asteroid hit too, but that is beside the point.
42 posted on 04/10/2003 11:41:37 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: ex-Texan
This one report is being quoted everywhere, yet nowhere (over 24 hours later) have I seen a second, independent report. I hope we aren't being taken for a ride here.
43 posted on 04/10/2003 1:12:44 PM PDT by Eala (irrelevant (-rle-vent) 1: The United Nations. 2: France.)
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To: Grampa Dave
Lol, that is one scary photo! Scary because it looks too real :-D
44 posted on 04/10/2003 1:49:46 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: CollegeRepublican
Marburg, Ebola and smallpox could theoretically be spread by air of they were "weaponized". Otherwise, contagion works via transfer of blood serum or lymph, like AIDS. Thus, while these diseases have a high mortality rate, they are not extremely contagious.

Some kind of superflu or a supercold (SARS?) on the other hand could be a huge problem. Can you imagine the common cold killing 90%?

45 posted on 04/10/2003 2:19:43 PM PDT by Melinator (Who knows where such behaviour could lead?!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Michael Moore is an insult to the human race. He is a sick DNA joke. Like most libs, they have depended on their butt buddies in the media to protect them by not showing how mentally ill they are. Those days are over.

This pig should move to Moscow or Paris where he will be welcomed.
46 posted on 04/11/2003 7:37:06 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Being a Monthly Donor to Free Republic is the Right Thing to do!)
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To: jveritas

For review.


47 posted on 06/26/2006 6:49:47 PM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: StillProud2BeFree

I was trying to look up on a map last night the distance from Ramadi to Al-Tuwaitha.

I had a lot of trouble because the spellings of these words change and I didn't always know if I was reading the same towns.

How far are these two places from each other?


48 posted on 06/27/2006 4:46:56 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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