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Mark Steyn - Welcome to Anglo-Saxon reality
National Post ^ | Thursday, April 10, 2003 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 04/10/2003 11:15:37 AM PDT by NorthernRight

National Post | Thursday » April 10 » 2003


Welcome to Anglo-Saxon reality


Mark Steyn
National Post

Thursday, April 10, 2003

Well, this whole quagmire seems to be getting worse, eh? I see the Yanks have now been reduced to staging fake scenes of supposed jubilation on the alleged streets of what the Pentagon assures us is Baghdad. If you pause the video, you'll see the guy on the right jumping up and down thwacking his shoe on the head of Saddam's toppled statue is actually Richard Perle disguised as an Iraqi cab driver and the woman standing next to him ululating "Blessings be upon you, o great Bush" is David Frum in a chador.

Meanwhile, Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, the Iraqi information minister, is apparently taking a couple of days off to celebrate Iraq's official Mother Of All Victories weekend. On his last stand-up set, he insisted Saddam's army had the British and Americans on the run. "We are in control," he said. "They are in a state of hysteria. Losers, they think that by killing civilians and trying to distort the feelings of the people they will win. I think they will not win, those bastards." I knew he was doomed when he started talking like a Liberal backbencher.

It's surely only a matter of time before he's hired as Chrétien's press officer. "These are all lies that the Americans are annoyed with Canada! The whole world knows Washington is terrified of our great leader and quakes before his heroic display of principles and sovereignty! America is our best friend and neighbour and if they dare say otherwise we will crush them like the Zionist tools they are! The 49th parallel is littered with the burnt-out shells of their tanks, those bastards!"

My favourite vignette from yesterday? The sack of the UN HQ in Baghdad. Hey, Jacques, with all those missing filing cabinets, we're gonna have to give inspections even longer to work.

Oh, dear. I fear this column is getting bogged down in a gloating quagmire. Let us turn instead to the shape of the post-war world. Watching that statue of Saddam topple just before 7 p.m. Iraqi time yesterday, one understood immediately that here was the great symbolic image of this war -- the one that they'll be playing in the TV news round-ups of the year, and the decade. The only question is: What precisely does the great symbolic image symbolize? Is it the Middle Eastern equivalent of the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, an act that rippled across half a continent? Or is it something smaller, more contained, a crack in the ice but the hard face of the rest of the lake remains frozen? You could hear the bafflement in the coverage of the Arab state TV networks as their reporters struggled to explain the pictures of joyous Iraqis cheering the first western troops to march in to occupy a major Middle Eastern city since General Allenby took Jerusalem for the British 85 years ago. Like that event, this week's images mark the start of an epochal, transformational shift.

That kind of talk unnerves some people, if only because the present arrangements suit them quite nicely. Bookending the liberation of Baghdad are two summits -- Bush and Blair in Belfast on Monday, Chirac and Schroeder and Putin in Moscow on Friday. It's nice to have the choices put so plainly: on the one hand, the Coalition of the Willing; on the other, the Coalition of the Willing To Go On Selling Saddam Nuclear Reactors In Exchange For Oil Concessions For Another Decade Or Three No Matter How Many People He Kills. The French mock the "coalition of the willing" as "les Anglo-Saxons," and if that's the best insult they can come up with I'll take it. Nothing new about this: in Eastern Europe in the Eighties, Thatcher and Reagan were the heroes, not Mitterrand and Schmidt. Liberated peoples are rarely grateful to those who found it more convenient to keep them in prison. "Anglo-Saxon" may be a sneer in France and Belgium, not in Eastern Europe.

So tomorrow's meeting of the Coalition of the Irrelevant will be of interest only for students of the terminal stages of M. Chirac's Gallic hauteur. All three men seem imprisoned by their pasts -- Chirac the seedy fixer, Schroeder the Sixties peacenik, Putin the KGB hardman. Kofi Annan has already figured it's best to steer clear: When the Iraqis are in the streets waving posters of Bush and playing soccer with the Brits it's not the best time for a photo op with Dominique de Villepin.

Since "Anglo-Saxon" is the preferred French shorthand for the Bush-Blair view of the world, we may as well keep things simple and designate the Chiraquiste alternative as "French." The "Anglo-Saxon" view -- the Bush Doctrine -- thinks that liberty will do for the Middle East what it's done for Eastern Europe and Latin America. The "French" view is that it's much easier if relations with the world's dictators are managed by a sleazy transnational elite. If M. Chirac and M. de Villepin and TotalFinaElf can live with Saddam, why can't the Iraqis live with Saddam, 24/7, forever and ever?

In the last year, we all had plenty of time to make our choices. Eastern Europe chose "Anglo-Saxon." The British and American left voted "French": in the Sixties, the peaceniks thought the Communists would transform South Vietnam into an agrarian utopia; this time round, it didn't bother going through the motions of even rhetorical progressivism -- they marched to keep the Iraqi people in chains, and they were happy to do so. A week ago, a European poll revealed that a third of the French people wanted Saddam to win the war. If he makes it out from under that rubble with his moustache intact and manages to hop a fishing smack to Marseilles, maybe he should try running for a seat in the National Assembly.

And Canada? We voted French, finally and decisively, and in defiance of our own history. Indeed, at times M. Chrétien was plus Chirac que Chirac. With exquisite timing, the Prime Minister waited till after the Americans had won before announcing he wanted the Americans to win.

France, Germany, Russia, Belgium and Canada are not on the side of peace or morality or the Iraqi people. The pictures from the streets of Baghdad make that plain. But we are on the side of TotalFinaElf. Twice in recent columns, Diane Francis has mentioned, almost en passant, a curious little fact:

The Western oil company with the closest ties to the late Saddam is France's TotalFinaElf. That's not the curious fact, that's just business as usual in the Fifth Republic. This is the curious fact: As Diane wrote in February and again last week, "Total's biggest shareholder is Montreal's Paul Desmarais, whose youngest son is married to Prime Minister Jean Chrétien's daughter."

Let's see if I've got this straight: TotalFinaElf's largest shareholder is a subsidiary of Montreal's Power Corp, whose co-chief executive is Jean Chrétien's son-in-law, Andre Desmarais. Mr. Desmarais' brother, Paul Desmarais Jr., sits on the Total board.

For months, the anti-war crowd has insisted that "it's all about oil," that the only reason the Iraqi people were being "liberated" was so that the second biggest oil reserves in the world could be annexed in perpetuity by Dick Cheney and Halliburton and the rest of Bush's Texas oilpatch gang. Instead, it turns out that, if it is all about oil, then the principal North American beneficiary of the continued enslavement of the Iraqi people is the family of the Canadian Prime Minister -- that's to say, his daughter, France Chrétien, and his grandchildren.

What a delightful footnote to the Chrétien-Chiraquiste war effort. This is a victory not just for the Iraqi people but for "Anglo-Saxon" reality over Franco-Canadian postmodern cynicism.

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1 posted on 04/10/2003 11:15:37 AM PDT by NorthernRight
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To: NorthernRight
Let's see if I've got this straight: TotalFinaElf's largest shareholder is a subsidiary of Montreal's Power Corp, whose co-chief executive is Jean Chrétien's son-in-law, Andre Desmarais. Mr. Desmarais' brother, Paul Desmarais Jr., sits on the Total board.

These people accused us of war for oil.

As you can see, it is they who were waging the appeasement-for-oil campaign.

2 posted on 04/10/2003 11:25:20 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: NorthernRight; Rightfootforward
Instead, it turns out that, if it is all about oil, then the principal North American beneficiary of the continued enslavement of the Iraqi people is the family of the Canadian Prime Minister --

Aha! I hope this gets wide circulation on the Net, as the media will never report it.

3 posted on 04/10/2003 11:25:52 AM PDT by PoisedWoman (Fed up with the liberal media)
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4 posted on 04/10/2003 11:26:12 AM PDT by Porterville (Screw the grammar, full posting ahead.)
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5 posted on 04/10/2003 11:26:44 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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6 posted on 04/10/2003 11:27:03 AM PDT by NorthernRight (Regime change in Canada - Now!)
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To: NorthernRight
You beat Pokey, man, what a concept!!
7 posted on 04/10/2003 11:28:53 AM PDT by Aric2000 (Are you on Grampa Dave's team? I am!! $5 a month is all it takes, come join!!!)
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To: PoisedWoman
I just e-mailed it to a whole Army of people, with a request that they e-mail it to an army of other people.
8 posted on 04/10/2003 11:30:31 AM PDT by 3AngelaD
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To: TopQuark
'appeasement-for-oil' BUMP
9 posted on 04/10/2003 11:30:33 AM PDT by ilgipper
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To: TopQuark
As you can see, it is they who were waging the appeasement-for-oil campaign.

They were also waging the "appeasement so you don't find out what we've been up to" campaign. If this doesn't get the exposure it deserves, then the whole world has indeed gone mad.

10 posted on 04/10/2003 11:31:52 AM PDT by zingzang
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To: NorthernRight
Well, that explains it.
11 posted on 04/10/2003 11:34:01 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: NorthernRight
Who would have thought that a war in Iraq would irreparably break the alliance between the Anglosphere and France?

Moreover, it has now demonstrated that the gap between political attitudes in Quebec and English Canada is, once and forever, uncloseable.

Had it not been for the people and politicians of Quebec, the Canadian government might at have at least offered moral support to the war effort.
12 posted on 04/10/2003 11:34:45 AM PDT by Loyalist
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To: NorthernRight
The Western oil company with the closest ties to the late Saddam is France's TotalFinaElf.

Excellent, and Chrétien 's son-in-law has a brother on the board of directors. This is all about oil - to the French, both in France and Canada. Hold their feet to the fire.

13 posted on 04/10/2003 11:35:37 AM PDT by xJones
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To: TopQuark
TotalFinaElf's largest shareholder is a subsidiary of Montreal's Power Corp, whose co-chief executive is Jean Chrétien's son-in-law, Andre Desmarais. Mr. Desmarais' brother, Paul Desmarais Jr., sits on the Total board.

Wow, turn over a stone, and you never know what kind of creepy crawlies you're going to find under it.

I would like to think this connection would get publicity in the press - but I know full well that it won't.

14 posted on 04/10/2003 11:36:38 AM PDT by livius
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To: NorthernRight
I hate to keep saying this, but this one may be Steyn's best column. Baghdad Bob working for Chetien's publicity department was hysterical, but the last couple of paragraphs were dynamite, and I don't mean "funny."
15 posted on 04/10/2003 11:36:50 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: PoisedWoman
"...as the media will never repoprt it."

It may sink out of sight in the U.S., but in Canada it will be very much an issue in the next Federal election.

;^)
16 posted on 04/10/2003 11:38:04 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: NorthernRight
the principal North American beneficiary of the continued enslavement of the Iraqi people is the family of the Canadian Prime Minister -- that's to say, his daughter, France Chrétien, and his grandchildren.

These people should be given an all-expenses-paid trip to Baghdad, with plenty of advance publicity so that the FREE Iraqis know exactly who they are!

17 posted on 04/10/2003 11:40:57 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I donated! Have you?)
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To: NorthernRight
I love the French language, spoken in English!
18 posted on 04/10/2003 11:41:33 AM PDT by caisson71
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To: NorthernRight
Thanks for finding and posting this.

The Western oil company with the closest ties to the late Saddam is France's TotalFinaElf. That's not the curious fact, that's just business as usual in the Fifth Republic. This is the curious fact: As Diane wrote in February and again last week, "Total's biggest shareholder is Montreal's Paul Desmarais, whose youngest son is married to Prime Minister Jean Chrétien's daughter."

Let's see if I've got this straight: TotalFinaElf's largest shareholder is a subsidiary of Montreal's Power Corp, whose co-chief executive is Jean Chrétien's son-in-law, Andre Desmarais. Mr. Desmarais' brother, Paul Desmarais Jr., sits on the Total board.

For months, the anti-war crowd has insisted that "it's all about oil," that the only reason the Iraqi people were being "liberated" was so that the second biggest oil reserves in the world could be annexed in perpetuity by Dick Cheney and Halliburton and the rest of Bush's Texas oilpatch gang. Instead, it turns out that, if it is all about oil, then the principal North American beneficiary of the continued enslavement of the Iraqi people is the family of the Canadian Prime Minister -- that's to say, his daughter, France Chrétien, and his grandchildren.

I have the feeling that one of these days we will find massive donations from TotalFinaElf and its subsidiaries to the Water Melon Green Jihadists and their pet politicians to make America and the World more dependent on Opecker/Elf oil.

19 posted on 04/10/2003 11:41:36 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Being a Monthly Donor to Free Republic is the Right Thing to do!)
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To: TopQuark
Another great Steyn - thanks for the post.

this certainly explains the stance of the French and Chretien.......
20 posted on 04/10/2003 11:45:02 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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To: NorthernRight
A great Mark Steyn column, with a nice twist of the knife at the end.
21 posted on 04/10/2003 11:49:04 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: NorthernRight
Bump! Great dirt digging.
22 posted on 04/10/2003 11:49:28 AM PDT by dead
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To: Allan
Bump
23 posted on 04/10/2003 11:50:22 AM PDT by Allan
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To: headsonpikes
I just emailed it to O'Reilly with a plea to do a show on it.
24 posted on 04/10/2003 11:51:48 AM PDT by Orbiting_Rosie's_Head
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To: TopQuark; NorthernRight; Canadian Outrage; Clive
<< Let's see if I've got this straight: TotalFinaElf's largest shareholder is a subsidiary of Montreal's Power Corp, whose co-chief executive is Jean Chrétien's son-in-law, Andre Desmarais. Mr. Desmarais' brother, Paul Desmarais Jr., sits on the Total board.

These people accused us of war for oil.

As you can see, it is they who were waging the appeasement-for-oil campaign. >>

Post-Trudeau-the-Traitor Canada is an unfriendly and squalidly-socialist EURO-peon-Neo-Soviet satellite state. And is a cynically-willing base for Our Nation's enemies.
25 posted on 04/10/2003 11:53:32 AM PDT by Brian Allen (I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny ....)
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To: NorthernRight
All three men seem imprisoned by their pasts -- Chirac the seedy fixer, Schroeder the Sixties peacenik, Putin the KGB hardman.

This sentence is the jewel in the crown! What a perfect summing up.

26 posted on 04/10/2003 11:53:32 AM PDT by alnitak
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To: NorthernRight
It's nice to have the choices put so plainly: on the one hand, the Coalition of the Willing; on the other, the Coalition of the Willing To Go On Selling Saddam Nuclear Reactors In Exchange For Oil Concessions For Another Decade Or Three No Matter How Many People He Kills.

LOL. A classic!!

27 posted on 04/10/2003 11:55:27 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: NorthernRight
Mark Steyn: a weapon of mass destruction of liberal fallacies.

Where to start?

"Oh dear. I'm afraid I'd caught in a quagmire of gloating."

Yep. Me too. Let's stay there.


"Meanwhile, Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, . . . I knew he was doomed when he started talking like a Liberal backbencher."

When Saddam's supporters sound less risible than liberal opponents, you know you're doing something good.

"It's surely only a matter of time before he's hired as Chrétien's press officer. "These are all lies that the Americans are annoyed with Canada! The whole world knows Washington is terrified of our great leader and quakes before his heroic display of principles and sovereignty! America is our best friend and neighbour and if they dare say otherwise we will crush them like the Zionist tools they are! The 49th parallel is littered with the burnt-out shells of their tanks, those bastards!"

I can easily picture this.

"My favourite vignette from yesterday? The sack of the UN HQ in Baghdad. Hey, Jacques, with all those missing filing cabinets, we're gonna have to give inspections even longer to work."

Here he errs. The REAL inspectors ARE at work.


"So tomorrow's meeting of the Coalition of the Irrelevant will be of interest only for students of the terminal stages of M. Chirac's Gallic hauteur. "

Another smart bomb detonates. No collateral damage, target destroyed.


"And Canada? We voted French, finally and decisively, and in defiance of our own history. Indeed, at times M. Chrétien was plus Chirac que Chirac. With exquisite timing, the Prime Minister waited till after the Americans had won before announcing he wanted the Americans to win."

When the funniest lines are mere descriptions of reality, you know you have found a true humorist.
Well, this whole quagmire seems to be getting worse, eh? I see the Yanks have now been reduced to staging fake scenes of supposed jubilation on the alleged streets of what the Pentagon assures us is Baghdad. If you pause the video, you'll see the guy on the right jumping up and down thwacking his shoe on the head of Saddam's toppled statue is actually Richard Perle disguised as an Iraqi cab driver and the woman standing next to him ululating "Blessings be upon you, o great Bush" is David Frum in a chador.
28 posted on 04/10/2003 11:57:03 AM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner (Praying for the Kingdom of God)
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To: BUSHdude2000
"The Western oil company with the closest ties to the late Saddam is France's TotalFinaElf. That's not the curious fact, that's just business as usual in the Fifth Republic. This is the curious fact: As Diane wrote in February and again last week, "Total's biggest shareholder is Montreal's Paul Desmarais, whose youngest son is married to Prime Minister Jean Chrétien's daughter."


Let's see if I've got this straight: TotalFinaElf's largest shareholder is a subsidiary of Montreal's Power Corp, whose co-chief executive is Jean Chrétien's son-in-law, Andre Desmarais. Mr. Desmarais' brother, Paul Desmarais Jr., sits on the Total board.

29 posted on 04/10/2003 11:57:52 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: Aric2000
You beat Pokey, man, what a concept!!

By contractual deal, Steyn publishes his pieces on his web site first, before it appears on the web anywhere else. This appeared today in print, in the National Post, but will only show up tomorrow, on the 'Post's site. So, to get a scoop on Steyn's Stuff, just visit his site as soon as you see his articles in print. Or, just check out his site religiously every day.


On Chretien: we knew he was a scum-sucking slime-ball years ago, but couldn't quite put a finger on the bad smell. Steyn put it all into a neat package.
Here's some more dirt on the Cretoon:



The Calgary Sun | April 6, 2003
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The plot thickens

Web of connections cast Chretien's strange Iraq stance in new light

By PAUL JACKSON -- Calgary Sun

"Obviously, I would have been happier if Canada had not been conquered in the past by the English, if this part of North America had remained French, but you can't rewrite history."           -- Jean Chretien Le Monde, Dec. 1, 1994

Well, doesn't that give us some insight into the mind and machinations of one Prime Minister Jean Chretien.

But, as we look at how Chretien has snubbed our American neighbours at a time when they need our support most, maybe Chretien is trying to rewrite history.

Perhaps he's pretending he really is a man of some consequence in the world, and part of his gameplan to show that is to stick Americans in the eyes.

For, in another part of that incredible interview he gave to the prestigious Paris newspaper Le Monde, Chretien talked about how French-Canadians had been "humiliated" by the English and how today they see themselves as "martyrs."

Then he boasted about how he was getting his own back on the supposed English establishment and power base.

"For example, I have just appointed an Acadian to the office of governor general. So the governor general is a francophone. The same thing is true, among others, of the prime minister, the Speaker of the House of Commons, the Speaker of the Senate, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Canada, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, and the Minister of Finance."

Do you sense in all this talk about humiliation and martyrdom both how the shoe is now on the other foot and also signs of an inferiority complex and of an appetite for revenge?

Chretien is something of a little man but, by God, the Americans aren't going to tell him what to do. He's running this country and he's going to do exactly what he wants to do.

That's even if, by undermining our largest trading partner and they decide to retaliate, he has to take this country with him.

He's standing with his partner in perfidy, one Jacques Chirac, president of France, who just may turn out to be a bigger villain than most of us already think he is.

Now, I first wrote about Chretien's interview with Le Monde in "Our PM's secret regrets" (May 11, 1997), but had forgotten all about it until a reader dug it up in French on the much fabled-Google search engine. In this day and age of the Internet, nothing disappears forever!

Anyway, the reader suggested that, as well as showing an astonishing antipathy for English-Canadians in his Le Monde interview -- quite something for a prime minister who is supposed to represent all the men and women in his nation -- Chretien opened up the inner workings of his mind.

His people have been humiliated, they are really martyrs for their cause -- and now they are going to throw their weight around. The big boy on the block, no matter how decent and kind he may have been, isn't going to be spared, either.

In the column "Off-balance,"(March 23.), I wrote that the reckless actions of Chretien suggested he had become unhinged -- mentally and emotionally unstable. That, in jeopardizing the goodwill of the nation that takes some 83% of our exports and on which 50% of our jobs depend either directly or indirectly, and in allowing his staff and MPs to hurl insults at President George W. Bush and the American people, Chretien was no longer acting in a rational manner.

Looking at the Le Monde chatter in retrospect, we get an inkling not only of Chretien's inferiority complex, but of illusions of grandeur. This is surely getting to be quite dangerous.

There may be yet another aspect to Chretien's strange behaviour. National Post columnist Diane Francis, who, in another era was one of the Calgary Sun 's most popular columnists, recently wrote Chretien had become a "dupe" of Jacques Chirac, and that Chirac was in the pocket of Saddam Hussein because France's largest corporation, TotalFinaElf has huge interests in Iraq's oilfields. Interests that will be blown apart if Saddam is toppled, and U.S. and British oil companies given concessions by a grateful people.

Now for more intrigue: Francis says Total's biggest single shareholder is Montreal's Paul Desmarais, whose youngest son is married to Chretien's daughter. Desmarais Sr., is also a director of Total, along with other ranking members of France's establishment. It's hard to believe the Desmarais/Chretien families haven't discussed their nvestments in Total, and Total's investments in Saddam's Iraq.

All above board, of course.

Yet to suspicious minds, the plot thickens -- and gets scarier by the day.
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Jackson, associate editor of the Sun, can be reached at paul.jackson@calgarysun.com.



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30 posted on 04/10/2003 11:58:01 AM PDT by NorthernRight (Regime change in Canada - Now!)
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To: NorthernRight
Oh, gotta bump.
31 posted on 04/10/2003 12:01:18 PM PDT by LiberationIT
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To: Registered
See the graphic in post #4
32 posted on 04/10/2003 12:01:28 PM PDT by sourcery (The Oracle on Mount Doom)
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To: Loyalist; NorthernRight; Porterville; headsonpikes; PoisedWoman
So the question is: Is there hope for Canada (politically speaking)?
33 posted on 04/10/2003 12:02:10 PM PDT by ricpic
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To: TopQuark
Actually, they were telling the truth when they said that the war was all about oil. The French knew that they would lose their contracts if Saddam was deposed and they figured that the US companies (an oxymoron actually, there are no more truly US oil companies) would be the beneficiaries of those contracts. So for the French, the war was all about oil.
34 posted on 04/10/2003 12:04:48 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Grampa Dave; mafree; gubamyster
As mafree says, "follow da oil"

I guess i gotta emend my grumblings that Chretien is a pure anti-american without economic motive...

35 posted on 04/10/2003 12:05:14 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: *Energy_List; TheEngineer; Jeremy_Bentham; Cincinatus' Wife; Spar; mafree; Don Joe; ...
Oil ping.
36 posted on 04/10/2003 12:06:31 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: ricpic
"Is there hope..."

There is more hope than there is a solid prospect for the future.

Does that answer your question?
37 posted on 04/10/2003 12:17:10 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: headsonpikes
I'm going to email this to Stephen Harper of the Canadian Alliance RIGHT NOW!! Actually if you wanna start digging, Chretien is "into" a lot of things. He's a very corrupt, scheming, lying, $hithead!!
38 posted on 04/10/2003 12:17:49 PM PDT by Canadian Outrage (All us Western Canuks belong South)
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To: NorthernRight
Steyn exposes the dirty laundry, disguised as the "latest fashion" by the Left!
39 posted on 04/10/2003 12:18:04 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: ricpic
The political health of Canada may very well depend on the success of the Quebec secessionist movement.

How much longer can we continue to appease Quebec at the expense of the rest of the country?

Can Canada keep one foot in the Anglosphere and one foot in the emerging Franco-German-Russian axis without losing its balance?
40 posted on 04/10/2003 12:19:07 PM PDT by Loyalist
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To: Loyalist
My suggestion would be to eject Quebec from Canada. Let them stew in their own juices.

(Non-Quebec) Canadian provinces are very welcome to enter into closer relationships with the US, if they wish. If they prefer to be independent or even antagonistic, they're welcome to do that, too.
41 posted on 04/10/2003 12:33:03 PM PDT by Restorer (TANSTAAFL)
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To: TopQuark
Canada's fearless leader.....> The Prime Minister talks with reporters at a news conference in Ottawa Wednesday
42 posted on 04/10/2003 12:36:03 PM PDT by thinking
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To: NorthernRight
The Western oil company with the closest ties to the late Saddam is France's TotalFinaElf.

Very interesting stuff, but I wish we knew more about the "close ties" between TotalFinaElf and Saddam. What were the contracts? What did they mean to TotalFinaElf's revenues and bottom line? What other oil companies are similarly positioned in Iraq, if any? "Close ties" doesn't cut it. More info is needed.

43 posted on 04/10/2003 12:37:24 PM PDT by beckett
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To: NorthernRight
You know, I was thinking about this "war for oil" yesterday. It's a stupid argument. As high as gas is right now, we still have the cheapest gas in the world. Why would we declare war on Iraq for more oil? How lame the left can be sometimes. So stupid and shallow.

Thanks for the great article.

44 posted on 04/10/2003 12:38:31 PM PDT by SpookBrat
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To: Restorer
(Non-Quebec) Canadian provinces are very welcome to enter into closer relationships with the US, if they wish. If they prefer to be independent or even antagonistic, they're welcome to do that, too.

We could add more stars to the flag, that would be nice!

45 posted on 04/10/2003 12:45:24 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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46 posted on 04/10/2003 12:46:48 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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To: Orbiting_Rosie's_Head
O'Reilly and Don Cherry could co-host a Canadian Special. ;^)
47 posted on 04/10/2003 12:46:50 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Loyalist
Hmmm. An independent Quebec. Interesting idea. And then when they get uppity (being French at heart, they certainly will), it would take all of two weeks to invade and subdue the country. No moving troops and equipment halfway around the planet - we could use the interstates. Hell, I could drive to the battle! Weeeeeeeeee!

One more thing - the idea of the Quebecuois being French is as laughable as the idea of Americans as Brits. The French themselves think of the Quebecuois as inbred hicks with funny accents.

48 posted on 04/10/2003 12:59:53 PM PDT by FierceDraka (Hang 'Em High!)
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To: Orbiting_Rosie's_Head
"I just emailed it to O'Reilly with a plea to do a show on it."

Brilliant move! This is just the kind of story the Big O likes to do. I can't wait...

49 posted on 04/10/2003 1:04:12 PM PDT by etcetera
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To: Canadian Outrage
"...Chretien...is a very corrupt, scheming, lying $hithead!!"

You could just say he's a Liberal, and be done with the polite names!.
50 posted on 04/10/2003 1:11:58 PM PDT by headsonpikes
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