Academician Kolesnikov: The Virus of Atypical Pneumonia Has Been Created Artifically (SARS)

Russian Information Agency Novosti ^ | 4/11/03 | Alexander Batalin

[Heartlander2]

The virus of atypical pneumonia has been created artificially, possibly as a bacteriological weapon, believes Sergei Kolesnikov, Academician of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences.

He expressed this opinion at a news conference in Irkutsk (Siberia) on Thursday.

According to him, the virus of atypical pneumonia is a synthesis of two viruses (of measles and infectious parotiditis or mumps), the natural compound of which is impossible. This can be done only in a laboratory, the academician is convinced. He also said that in creating bacteriological weapons a protective anti-viral vaccine is, as a rule, worked out at the same time. Therefore, the scientist believes, a medicine for atypical pneumonia may soon appear. He does not exclude that the spread of the virus could have begun accidentally, as a result of "an unsanctioned leakage" from a laboratory.

[Uncle George]

Accidental leakage!!!! Why else would China try to keep it mum???

[Support Free Republic]

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[fuzzy122]

And this crap started where? China?

MEGA-

Stay Strong
Fuzzy

[mabelkitty]

And it started on the same day we invaded Iraq.

My husband owes me big time. He's been making fun of me for calling this a bio attack by China.

My intent was that China was going to use it to invade Hong Kong and Taiwan under the pretense of "quarantined" and try to engage us in a war with them and North Korea.

[toast]

And it started on the same day we invaded Iraq.

Uhhhh....Not exactly.

I remember hearing of it in February. I believe I've seen articles mentioning somewhere around November for a start.

[Nubbytwanger]

They make wonderful fur-lined tinfoil hats in Russia

[z84976]

Hehe... I just love those crazy Russians, always the jokers. In related news, check out Pravda for even more enlightened stories! You'll be thrilled to read how there's going to be a nuclear holocaust due to our bombs unearthing low-grade radioactive materials around Baghdad, and flooding in Russia due to techtonic shifts and earthquakes caused by the concussion of our bunker busters!

Really, though, their capacity for the dramatic and the suspicion of all evils never ceases to amaze me. As if they think there's some vast conspiracy... hey... wait...

[freebilly]

They make wonderful fur-lined tinfoil hats in Russia

Beat me to it!

[Constitutionalist Conservative]

My intent was that China was going to use it to invade Hong Kong

Invade Hong Kong?

That would be like China invading Shanghai or Tianjin, or the United States invading Pittsburgh.

[Rippin]

I think the Russian scientist needs to understand that evolution is a powerful thing and obviously this virus is a natural mutuation, the likes of which must have happened millions of times in order for my Grandmother to have evolved from a mollusk.

[Heartlander2]

More on this story here: http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1346560,00.html

Sars biological weapon?

Moscow - The deadly pneumonia that has killed more than 100 people around the world may be a man-made biological weapon, Russian experts said on Friday.

Nikolai Filatov, head of Moscow's epidemiological services, told the Gazeta daily that he thought the pneumonia was man-made because "there is no vaccine for this virus, its make-up is unclear, it has not been very widespread and the population is not immune to it."

Yet he had some reservations, since the virus has a low mortality rate - so far killing 4% of those infected -, and because it is relatively difficult to pass on - through direct contact or inhalation.

The virus, according to academy of medecine member Sergei Kolesnikov, is a cocktail of mumps and measles, whose mix could never appear in nature.

"We can only get that in a laboratory," he told a conference in the Siberian city of Irkutsk, quoted by RIA Novosti news agency.

It may have spread because of an "accidental leak" from a lab, he added.

More than 100 people have died and some 3 000 others have been infected by Severe acute respiratory syndrome (Sars), which is believed to have originated in China's southern Guangdong province.

[Heartlander2]

Same story appears on ABC Online here: http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s830628.htm

[countrydummy]

Ah the movie "The Patriot" the ONE with Stephen Segal comes to mind over this one.........we shall see!

[joesnuffy]

Accidental...what about the so called "super-spreaders" as airline stews or as one passenger who was found to be shuttling back and forth between SE Asia and the USA

[John H K]

My intent was that China was going to use it to invade Hong Kong and Taiwan under the pretense of "quarantined" and try to engage us in a war with them and North Korea.

Why am I'm not surprised that you haven't noticed that Great Britain GAVE Hong Kong to China several years ago?

I'm also not surprised that you'd claim something from the Russian media quoting a scientist who, as best I can tell, has never actually seen or worked with the SARS virus personally, as "proof" of your belief it's a bioweapon.

It's a fascinating excercise in psychology but it makes people feel better that bad things that happen naturally were somehow deliberately caused by humans...from viruses to earthquakes. Makes the earth seem less random and less frightening, oddly enough.

[Milesdavislover]

The Chinese CLAIM it started in November or so, but why did they wait to release the info until the DAY WE ATTACKED IRAQ. And they still aren't being helpful with information considering that Hong Kong is about to have its medical establishment fall because of so many sick doctors and staff. The timing is too suspicious

[monday]

"Hehe... I just love those crazy Russians, always the jokers. In related news, check out Pravda for even more enlightened stories! You'll be thrilled to read how there's going to be a nuclear holocaust due to our bombs unearthing low-grade radioactive materials around Baghdad, and flooding in Russia due to techtonic shifts and earthquakes caused by the concussion of our bunker busters! "

"Really, though, their capacity for the dramatic and the suspicion of all evils never ceases to amaze me. As if they think there's some vast conspiracy.."

Pravda is the Russian equivilent of the National Inquirer. Would it be safe to say that you read the National Enquirer to find out what Americans think of the world?

[monday]

"I think the Russian scientist needs to understand that evolution is a powerful thing and obviously this virus is a natural mutuation, the likes of which must have happened millions of times in order for my Grandmother to have evolved from a mollusk."

"Obviously"? It certainly isn't obvious to me. Perhaps you have information you are not sharing with the rest of us.

I am not inclined to believe it is man made, but the possibility exists. As far as I know it is pretty clear that no one knows where SARS came from, or if someone does, they are keeping silent. I think I will reserve judgement for now.

[fella]

The BBC made a TV series called "Survivers" that had this whole thing as it's primus. PBS in Dallas ran it back in the late 80s or early 90s.

[CyberAnt]

I agree - and the CDC was not happy about their lack of cooperation.

[capitan_refugio]

I don't think I would call it a bio-war or bio-terror attack. I think the ChiComs have an active, on-going bio-warfare program, and one or more of their researchers got contaminated. Due to faulty (or non-existant) containment protocols, the "bug" got loose.

As I have posted on other threads, SARS is no laughing matter. It spreads as easily as the common cold and has a 4% kill ratio. Maybe another 4% of the infected population will suffer extensive pulmonary damage. And there is no guarantee that you can't catch this "cold" a second time. No one knows how long the natural anti-bodies from surviors continue on in their systems. Unlike the measles, where a survivor is unlikely to catch them a second time, who knows about SARS.

CDC should be working like crazy on a serum or vaccine. Forget AIDS research. Most people are not at rick for AIDS. Everybody (by definition) is at risk for a pandemic like SARS.

[buffyt]

I have thought it was bio-terror from day one. Just too suspicious that a whole new virus, with fatal possibilities, shows up all of a sudden.

[capitan_refugio]

The Brits did not "give" Hong Kong to the Chinese. They had the former Crown Colony on a 99-year lease from the Chinese, and the lease was up. The Brits did not have the forethought to renegotiate the lease with Taiwan before they recognized the ChiComs as the rightful government of the mainland.

[SouthParkRepublican]

It’s part of a Chinese government plan to thin out their population. They knew it wouldn’t be as harmful to healthy well fed Americans as it would to their own people. This might also take care of our North Korea problem as well. /Dale Gribble

[js1138]

News obviously artificially created by Russian new agency.

[Plutarch]

South China is the notorious hotbed for the transmission of domestic animal pathogens to humans. No need to come up with a diabolical explanation when a natural one is right at hand.

[AuH2ORepublican]

"The Brits did not "give" Hong Kong to the Chinese. They had the former Crown Colony on a 99-year lease from the Chinese, and the lease was up."

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Actually, from what I recall, the 99-year lease that expired in 1997 was for the "New Territories" on the mainland, not for Hong Kong Island, the Kowloon Peninsula or several small islands, which China had ceded to the UK in perpetuity. But since the Brits weren't interested in giving back the New Territories and keeping the rest of Hong Kong (it would be like keeping Manhattan and Staten Island but returning the Bronx, Brooklyn and Queens to the Commies), they just returned all of Hong Kong.


"The Brits did not have the forethought to renegotiate the lease with Taiwan before they recognized the ChiComs as the rightful government of the mainland."

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That's pretty cool, I had never thought of that, although I don't think the Brits would have tempted the Red Chinese in such a way. The Brits probably wouldn't think it was worth it to risk a war by their "insult" of the Red Chinese by signing such a treaty with the Nationalist Government in Taiwan.

[capitan_refugio]

You recall correctly. The lease did apply only to the "New Territories." The question of Hong Kong Island depended on whether one accepted the validity of 1842 Treaty of Nanking, or the 1841 Chuen Pi Convention. The ChiComs contended Hong Kong was taken by the British in 1841 under the "invalid" and "unsigned" Convention. The British contended Hong Kong was ceded under the 1842 Treaty.

It's a moot point now. In a year Hong Kong and southern China may be severely depopulated.

[Rippin]

I was just making fun of evolutionists. More obvious apparent evidence of design than this crossing of viruses is routinely attributed to the accumulation of small mutations and natural selection but in a case like this scientists jump to the "design inference" almost immediately.

[aristeides]

"Niman" (Dr. Henry Niman of Harvard?) has this to say today on Agonist SARS Board:

Although the possible accidental release from a bioweapons program remains unlikely, the finding of a "natural" version of SARS coronavirus in 2 (and possibly many more) species in China, makes an accidental release of a lethal mutant a more likely possibility.

The vast majority of SARS isolates from patients have a 29 nt deletion, which is the type of change that could be man-made. However, although it still seems rather unlikely, the identification of several animal isolates, and one human isolate, GZ01, with the 29 nt present, changes the bioterror odds somewhat.

[Prince Charles]

Very interesting. Dr. Niman is well-respected in his field.

[aristeides]

Secret of SARS control: Follow those rumors .

[Betty Jo]

Yep, just keep on thinking you're Columbo or Furhman.

The clues are in plain sight.

[Prince Charles]

My bad: "Niman" is just a poster on that board; this apparently was not something said by Dr. Henry Niman.

[Judith Anne]

I agree, especially when I read this:

According to him, the virus of atypical pneumonia is a synthesis of two viruses (of measles and infectious parotiditis or mumps), the natural compound of which is impossible. This can be done only in a laboratory, the academician is convinced.

Someone needs to tell this "scientist" that the SARS virus is from the coronaviridae group (common cold) and NOT the paramyxoviridae group (measles, mumps, etc.).

[aristeides]

As my question mark indicates, I was unsure whether "Niman" on the board is the famous Dr. Niman. Have you been able to determine that the poster is a different person?

[Allan]

Ping to #31 and #32.
Someone's stock seems to have risen,
perhaps in more ways than one.

[Prince Charles]

Well, unless the poster "niman" chooses to reveal him/herself more forthrightly, it can't be said that this is Dr. Henry Niman... but the poster seems to be knowledgeable about the topics discussed.