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Wal-Mart halts N.Y. toy-gun sales
Los Angeles Times ^ | 4-11-03

Posted on 04/11/2003 8:54:51 AM PDT by Brian S

Wal-Mart Stores Inc. on Thursday suspended sales of toy guns in its stores throughout the state of New York, only hours after Atty. Gen. Eliot Spitzer sued the world's biggest retailer, accusing it of selling such toys without required safety markings to distinguish them from real weapons.

The toy guns have orange caps on their barrels, as required by federal law, but they don't have nonremovable orange stripes down the barrel's length as New York law requires, Spitzer's lawsuit contends.

Safety experts say the brightly colored markings help police officers distinguish toy guns from real weapons, and that the permanent stripes are important because the plastic barrel caps can fall off or be removed.

"In our continued efforts to be a responsible retailer, we have made the decision to suspend sales of all toy cap guns in New York," the Bentonville, Ark.-based retailer said. "This decision is based on the belief by the attorney general that some of the toy cap guns we are selling do not comply with the law."

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: badlaw; bang; banglist; dogooders; forthechildren; gungrabbers; gunsafety; loophole; newyork; ny; toyguns; toys

1 posted on 04/11/2003 8:54:51 AM PDT by Brian S
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To: Brian S
and all toy guns are to be replaced with girly boy toys
2 posted on 04/11/2003 8:56:17 AM PDT by TLBSHOW (The gift is to see the truth.....)
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To: *bang_list
Why is it that cops in the "red zone" never seem to have trouble telling when a kid has a toy gun?
3 posted on 04/11/2003 8:56:56 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("Democracy, whiskey! And sexy!")
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4 posted on 04/11/2003 8:57:45 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Brian S
Do toy knives have special markings? Toy bats, toy cars?
5 posted on 04/11/2003 8:57:49 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: Brian S
Now we need the Mattel Legislation, Kids should have toy second admendment rights!
6 posted on 04/11/2003 8:58:15 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (If I could get a degree in trivia, I would have my Doctorate!)
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To: Brian S
Ironically, they still probably sell these for some lucky tykes out there:


7 posted on 04/11/2003 9:00:07 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed ("Democracy, whiskey! And sexy!")
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To: Brian S
What Utter NONSENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
8 posted on 04/11/2003 9:01:00 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: TLBSHOW
The toy guns have orange caps on their barrels, as required by federal law, but they don't have nonremovable orange stripes down the barrel's length as New York law requires, Spitzer's lawsuit contends.
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What's to prevent anyone from painting bright orange stripes down the barrel and around the muzzle of a S&W Mod 29? Does that make a weapon any less lethal? Yet it might make a cop a little less wary!
9 posted on 04/11/2003 9:01:07 AM PDT by night reader
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To: Brian S
So they want all toy guns to look like this?
10 posted on 04/11/2003 9:02:12 AM PDT by CJ Wolf (Future Headline: Iraqis line up to register to vote in their first democratic election.)
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To: Brian S
psychosis [sy.KO.sis] (n).

“The inability to distinguish between what is real and what is imaginary. Psychosis is a term used to describe a severe mental illness. Psychotics are characterized by a variety of symptoms that most people consider abnormal. These include experiencing delusions, such as the notion that one is being persecuted or conspired against. Psychotics may see things which don't actually exist and hear Voices (i.e. God) when no one is around. They often exhibit compulsive, irrational, ritualized behavior, esp. when such behavior serves no purpose or is even harmful or disruptive to those around them. They show no concern for others but may exhibit total self-centered behavior. Includes sociopathy, schizophrenia.”

DSM-IV


11 posted on 04/11/2003 9:06:18 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Brian S
This is weird. A few weeks ago one of the kids asked for a water pistol. No such thing at Walmart or Target. It can't be found. We haven't tried every toy store in town yet, we figured maybe it's a seasonal item, sold in summer only, but it always used to be a staple of kids' toys, like cap guns. I dunno, maybe they don't have those anymore, either.
12 posted on 04/11/2003 9:27:07 AM PDT by Sabatier
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To: night reader
What's to prevent anyone from painting bright orange stripes down the barrel and around the muzzle of a S&W Mod 29? Does that make a weapon any less lethal? Yet it might make a cop a little less wary!

Exactly. A moment hesitation by a cop who sees the orange on the barrel gives the bad guy a big advantage.

13 posted on 04/11/2003 9:31:43 AM PDT by Blue Screen of Death
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To: Sabatier
looks like you may be forced to buy a toy gun online in your state. I wonder what the penalties are for Toy gun traffiking across state lines?
14 posted on 04/11/2003 9:37:09 AM PDT by CJ Wolf (If I were a criminal, I'd paint the tip of my real gun orange and add orange stripes down the side.)
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To: Brian S
How is it that people and society in general have prospered and increased their well being for decades yet the politicians and bureaucrats say we must have another 3,000 laws and regulations each year on top of the 100,000+ laws already on the books... That without them people and society face "disaster". People and society have done quite well without next year's 3,000 new federal laws and regulations. Why all of a sudden can people and society not continue to do quite well without them? The fact is, they'd be better off without 99% of them.

So who really benefits from 3,000 new laws and regulations each year? -- not to mention state laws and regulations. Politicians and bureaucrats. They create boogieman problems and with a complicit media towing their boogieman problems cast a net of false fear and unwarranted despair in people.

Quite literally, they create problems where none exist. They're sick in that they chose to frighten people and foist false despair on them and do that to collect their unearned paychecks. Their job security is predicated on deceiving as many people as possible.

Fully integrated honesty is key. That we have the government we have that has gone so far off course from the government the founders created is a product of irrationality and dishonesty. Changing the laws via the "system" is almost completely useless. Politicians create dozens of unconstitutional laws before even considering repealing just one unconstitutional law. That is not a system -- it's a cluster fu*k of deception, irrationality, fraud and abuse.

Voting for the lesser of evils always begets evil. How can so many people thinking they're right be so wrong?

Wake up! Politics is not the solution -- politics is the problem.

Who are the producers?
Who are the parasites?
Praise the value producers --
Ostracizing the parasitical value destroyers.

15 posted on 04/11/2003 9:42:46 AM PDT by Zon
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To: stuartcr
Do toy knives have special markings? Toy bats, toy cars?

I guess that the NY legislature will next look at requiring Baking soda, talcum powder, and powdered sugar all be colored some pigment so as to limit the number of "false anthrax scare" cases.

16 posted on 04/11/2003 9:51:26 AM PDT by weegee (CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: Brian S
What? You mean they don't require them to be neon colored nerf guns?
17 posted on 04/11/2003 9:53:16 AM PDT by SirAllen
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To: Brian S
Have they ever used this law to prosecute "antique" dealers, people at flea markets, or garage sales?

I'm sure that there are pre-"Orange plastic law" guns in New York.

Looks like there is a loophole in this gun law.

18 posted on 04/11/2003 9:54:06 AM PDT by weegee (CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: weegee
That's about par.
19 posted on 04/11/2003 9:56:02 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: night reader
What's to prevent anyone from painting bright orange stripes down the barrel and around the muzzle of a S&W Mod 29? Does that make a weapon any less lethal? Yet it might make a cop a little less wary!

Ha! That's the first thing that popped into my mind. It has to have crossed the mind of more than one NY crook.

20 posted on 04/11/2003 10:00:30 AM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Brian S
Wasn't Michael Moore earlier on a kick to get the guns out of Wal-Mart? Bet he's grinning from ear to ear.
21 posted on 04/11/2003 10:13:46 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: CJ Wolf
Now there's a toy for children.
22 posted on 04/11/2003 10:18:43 AM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: Brian S
Government in this country is broken. City, county, state, federal, doesn't matter. They're broken and they no longer resemble what was intended. And we're the boiling frogs who allowed it to happen and continue to ease right along as the temperature climbs, pretending we're making a difference, when the very BEST we can hope for now is to slow the growth of the insanity.

MM

23 posted on 04/11/2003 10:35:49 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Zavien Doombringer
Kids should have toy second admendment rights!

Adults already have toy second admendment rights! If we had real second admendment rights, it'b just be the BAT, not BATF.

24 posted on 04/11/2003 10:41:07 AM PDT by packrat01
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To: Brian S
More anti-gun nonesense. I wich New York had a Republican governor. (Heheheh!!)
25 posted on 04/11/2003 10:48:48 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: Brian S
...the belief by the attorney general that some of the toy cap guns we are selling do not comply with the law."

A pointed finger and the word "bang" don't comply with the law in govt schools either. therefore we should ban all children from the schools.

The job of liberals is to make our kids so incompetent that they have to rely on the govt for life.

26 posted on 04/11/2003 10:52:49 AM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: night reader
Good Lord,I never thought of the criminal painting orange stripes on a real gun.

Looks like another dumb,feel-good law to me.
27 posted on 04/11/2003 11:02:33 AM PDT by Mears
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To: night reader
"What's to prevent anyone from painting bright orange stripes down the barrel and around the muzzle of a S&W Mod 29?"

OR:

Choosing your plastic orange-striped pistol then walking to the hardware section (about 35' from the toy guns) and getting some black spray paint or electrical tape?

I wish Wal-Mart would fight this.

28 posted on 04/11/2003 11:08:17 AM PDT by panaxanax
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
A pointed finger and the word "bang" don't comply with the law in govt schools either. therefore we should ban all children from the schools.

No need to throw out the baby with the bathwater. We'll just cut off their index fingers.

29 posted on 04/11/2003 11:26:26 AM PDT by weegee (CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: B Knotts
I wonder if this means that incarcirated criminals have to put an orange "safety" marker on their carved soap guns while in prison.
30 posted on 04/11/2003 11:28:57 AM PDT by weegee (CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: CJ Wolf
looks like you may be forced to buy a toy gun online in your state. I wonder what the penalties are for Toy gun traffiking across state lines?

Ask Sarah Brady or Rosie O'Donnell. I'm sure they know...

31 posted on 04/11/2003 11:33:45 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Show me who controls the land, the guns, and the money, and I'll show you who's in charge!)
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To: CJ Wolf
I wonder what the penalties are for Toy gun traffiking across state lines?

Although I don't know the answer to your question, I do know that if you're caught carrying a concealed toy gun without a permit, they make you watch Rosie O'Donnell reruns for 72 hours straight.

32 posted on 04/11/2003 11:34:27 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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To: weegee
I guess that the NY legislature will next look at requiring Baking soda, talcum powder, and powdered sugar all be colored some pigment so as to limit the number of "false anthrax scare" cases.

I'm sure Osama bin Loser would NEVER, EVER think of coloring his anthrax to resemble "safe" powders...

33 posted on 04/11/2003 11:36:13 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Show me who controls the land, the guns, and the money, and I'll show you who's in charge!)
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To: Brian S
Safety experts say the brightly colored markings help police officers distinguish toy guns from real weapons, and that the permanent stripes are important because the plastic barrel caps can fall off or be removed.

And the magical, 'permanent' stripe can't be painted over! Just who are these "safety experts"?

34 posted on 04/11/2003 12:00:28 PM PDT by Djarum
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To: Labyrinthos
the sure know how to torture those pro-gun people don't they. lol.
35 posted on 04/11/2003 12:03:52 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: TLBSHOW
"and all toy guns are to be replaced with girly boy toys "

Next they'll insist they all be pastel colors.. it's probably already that way in San Francisco.. gotta gay-up those little boys!
36 posted on 04/11/2003 12:07:01 PM PDT by honeygrl (Soylent Green is PEOPLE!)
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To: Sabatier
There's almost an entire aisle in most of the stores here of water guns.. even the grocery stores have a good selection. I'm in GA.
37 posted on 04/11/2003 12:09:40 PM PDT by honeygrl (Soylent Green is PEOPLE!)
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To: MississippiMan
when the very BEST we can hope for now is to slow the growth of the insanity.

Very true. And I continue to be shocked at just how quickly things have changed. I had all sorts of toy guns as a child, and most of them didn't have any goofy orange markings on them. Nor did anyone ever mistake them for real guns - they were made of PLASTIC and had "GI Joe" stickers all over the side. It was all normal kid stuff.

I even remember bringing my plastic toy "Davy Crocket" rifle to school for "Texas History Day" in 3rd or 4th grade. Part of the assignment was to pick a famous hero from Texas history and come to school in costume...well, half the class showed up as either Davy Crocket, Jim Bowie, or Sam Houston and we all brought our toy guns or plastic Bowie knifes as part of the costume. Nobody thought anything of it more than harmless fun - not the teachers, not the students, not the parents.

Nowadays if a third grader shows up a school with a transluscent neon green squirt gun, they'll have him cuffed and in the back of a police car the second he steps foot in the door.

38 posted on 04/11/2003 12:12:21 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: Brian S
Wal-Mart has always fought lawsuits and challenges to them to the bitter end.

Now, they all of a sudden start cowering, without a fight, to the gun control Nazis.

I am beginning to think that Wal-Mart might secretly support gun control.
39 posted on 04/11/2003 12:15:10 PM PDT by Unwavering Conservative
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To: GOPcapitalist
Nowadays if a third grader shows up a school with a transluscent neon green squirt gun, they'll have him cuffed and in the back of a police car the second he steps foot in the door.

Sad, isn't it?

40 posted on 04/11/2003 12:33:53 PM PDT by upchuck (Sadamn: You are on the way to destruction...you have no chance to survive, make your time..ha ha ha)
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To: Cacique; rmlew; firebrand
NY State idiocy ping!

The sad thing is, most polls show Spitzer as the most popular pol in NY State. Its either City Hall or the Governor's mansion for him next.

41 posted on 04/11/2003 12:34:03 PM PDT by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: Zon
Excellent post. I agree wholeheartedly.
42 posted on 04/11/2003 12:38:47 PM PDT by Fraulein
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To: Brian S
Atty. Gen. Eliot Spitzer sued the world's biggest retailer

Sued? For compensation?

43 posted on 04/11/2003 12:39:54 PM PDT by Fraulein
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To: Brian S
It seems like everyday in this country something else gets banned. It's happening daily. No end in sight.
44 posted on 04/11/2003 12:43:29 PM PDT by Fraulein
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To: upchuck
Sad, isn't it?

Sad indeed. I've got a picture somewhere of our 3rd grade class many years ago from "Texas History Day." All the plastic rifles are visible, as is the chalk board and everything else you'd expect to find in a classroom. Someone did a civil war project for it is well and, in addition to a toy rifle, had a union and confederate flag side by side - another no-no in today's schools.

That was less than two decades ago, but is unthinkable today. I can only imagine what will it will be like 40 years from now. I suppose I'll be showing that photo to grandchildren, standing in disbelief, wondering if it is a fake and wondering why grandpa had so many "illegal" toys.

45 posted on 04/11/2003 12:43:54 PM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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