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Scuds hidden at site in Al Qa'im?
The New York Times ^ | April 10, 2003 | Douglas Jehl

Posted on 04/11/2003 1:19:30 PM PDT by KriegerGeist

Scuds hidden at site in Al Qa'im?
By Douglas Jehl
The New York Times

WASHINGTON -- Out of sight of television cameras, some of the heaviest and most prolonged fighting in Iraq has been raging for nearly three weeks near the town of Al Qa'im on the Syrian border.

There, British commandos and U.S. special forces have been attacking units of Iraq's Special Republican Guards and Special Security Services, according to senior military and defense officials.

The Iraqi forces in the area, along the Euphrates River, have been defending a large compound that includes phosphate fertilizer and water treatment plants. American officials say the sheer tenacity of the Iraqi fight has led them to suspect that the Iraqis might be defending Scud missiles or other weapons.

The Al Qa'im area, about 170 miles northwest of Baghdad along the most direct route from Baghdad to Syria, was a launching point for Iraqi ballistic missile attacks in the 1991 war. It was also home to a facility used by Iraq in the 1980s for uranium processing, and it has been identified since by American officials as a possible site for any effort to revive Iraq's nuclear weapons program.

The reported doggedness of the Iraqi resistance has also prompted some speculation in the Bush administration that the Iraqi forces might be defending members of the Iraqi leadership who may have tried to flee to Syria. But defense officials said it was more likely that they were trying to shield weapons or weapons programs.

"They're protecting something; that's for sure," one senior military official said. For now, the official said, the main objective of the United States is "to keep their head down so they can't fire anything off."

Despite many days of attacks by the Army's special forces, including what one general called "unconventional warfare direct-action missions," along with repeated airstrikes, the Iraqi forces have not given up.

Pentagon officials said they had made contact with one Iraqi commander in the Al Qa'im area in an effort to negotiate a surrender, but that that attempt had broken down.

With ground access limited, the American command has made the compound the target of heavy air attacks, but it has refrained from destroying the buildings altogether, apparently out of concern about causing wider harm if the area is being used to house chemical or biological weapons or material for nuclear weapons.

The mystery of the tenacity of armed Iraqi resistance in the remote border town is among many uncertainties that senior American officials are weighing as they survey the battlefield in Iraq. Now about one-third of the country lies outside American control, according to senior Pentagon officials.

Perhaps chief among those worries, officials said Thursday, are the location and intentions of Iraqi militias and security forces, which were battling the United States in Baghdad and other cities but have now mostly melted away.

"Have they run away for good, or are they operating more like the al-Qaida model, to go away for a while and then come back?" a senior defense official said.

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KEYWORDS: iraqifreedom; iraqiregime; scuds; warlist; wmd
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"Perhaps chief among those worries, officials said Thursday, are the location and intentions of Iraqi militias and security forces, which were battling the United States in Baghdad and other cities but have now mostly melted away.

"Have they run away for good, or are they operating more like the al-Qaida model, to go away for a while and then come back?" a senior defense official said."

I sure hope not!

1 posted on 04/11/2003 1:19:30 PM PDT by KriegerGeist
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2 posted on 04/11/2003 1:20:44 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Geist Krieger
I posted this story last night here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/890530/posts
3 posted on 04/11/2003 1:24:10 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: Geist Krieger
Pull our guys back a little and slam 4 or 5 MOABS on this baby.
4 posted on 04/11/2003 1:36:17 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Saddam's Hiding In Tikrit)
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To: Geist Krieger
"...according to senior military and defense officials."

Unsourced fiction.
5 posted on 04/11/2003 1:37:33 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Geist Krieger
Could this have something to do with their resistance?

Didn't he have chem/bio stashed near the border with Syria? Al Quayum? Excerpt from old article (U.K. Telegraph)




Saddam's poison gas kills 20 of his men
By Jessica Berry
(Filed: 02/09/2001)


AT least 20 specially-trained Iraqi soldiers are dead and up to 200 have been admitted to hospital after taking part in a chemical weapons exercise that went wrong.


Curbing BaghdadUnited Nations workers prepare to destroy Sarin tipped Iraqi rockets in 1988
News of the training accident emerged last week amid concerns that Saddam Hussein has rebuilt his chemical weapons arsenal. The soldiers, based in the Zaafarnia region south of Baghdad, were suffering from severe respiratory problems, according to intelligence received from Iraq.

A diplomat said: "They were training in the Al Suwayrah and Basmaya camps three months ago. We know that the accident has not stopped the training. Fresh soldiers were brought in soon after." The Al Suwayrah camp has been rebuilt since it was attacked in February by American and British aircraft.

Saddam last used chemical weapons against the Kurds in March 1988 at Halabjah causing thousands of injuries. In December 1998, American and British warplanes mounted Operation Desert Fox in an attempt to destroy Iraq's chemical weapons capability.

However, evidence surfaced last week that Iraqi scientists are working around the clock to rebuild the Iraqi leader's conventional weapons and self-defence arsenal as well as his chemical capability.

In the past three months, eight military factories have begun working at almost full strength. The most significant, in the unpopulated Syrian border area of Al Qayem, is said to be building chemical weapons and missiles.

A Western military observer said: "The Al Qayem base has only recently expanded. It has just passed under the total control of Saddam's son and heir Qusay. To ensure total secrecy, each scientist has been hand-picked by Qusay."



6 posted on 04/11/2003 1:42:17 PM PDT by jerseygirl
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To: 68skylark
"I posted this story last night here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/890530/posts

I'm sorry. I did a search and checked every-which-a-way word by word almost.

All I can say is that I tried.

7 posted on 04/11/2003 1:51:20 PM PDT by KriegerGeist ("The weapons of our warefare are not carnal, but mighty though God for pulling down of strongholds")
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To: Geist Krieger
Be a good thing if Israel lobbed a missile into that area from behind their lines.
8 posted on 04/11/2003 1:53:49 PM PDT by OldFriend (without the brave, there would be no land of the free)
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To: OldFriend
Uncle Moab is coming to town.

Now we know where the MOAB is going. Adios amigos.

9 posted on 04/11/2003 1:57:27 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Geist Krieger
. It is highly possible that while we dicked around at the UN, Saddam moved a large portion of his WMDs toward and into Syria. In fact the Mossad claimed just that.

It is not only possible that this site contains WMDs or Scuds, it is possible that there is an underground facility that allows them to move materials into Syria out of the view of everyone.

We need to take this site ASAP, before we have to get an act of Congress to go into Syria and find Saddam's WMDs.

10 posted on 04/11/2003 2:03:19 PM PDT by ez (...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.)
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To: Born to Conserve
Unsourced fiction.

Oh really now...

Inspectors also visited the State Phosphate Company in Al-Qa'im, 400 kilometers west of Baghdad, which produces agricultural fertilizers and houses stored uranium, according to the Iraqi Foreign Ministry. UNMOVIC reported, "Al-Qa'im was previously associated with Iraq's production of uranium from ores found in the area. The team is tasked with verifying the status of destroyed equipment at this site and an inspection to determine that no uranium extraction activities have been resumed."

Tracking Inspections in Iraq

Global Security Report on Al Qa'im

FAS Report on Al Qa'im

It is also interesting to note that the term Al-Qa’im means "The One Who Will Rise" aka Al-Mahdi, meaning "The Guided One"

Source

11 posted on 04/11/2003 2:04:08 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Flurry
Pull our guys back a little and slam 4 or 5 MOABS on this baby.

Might want to be careful about that...they have held an American POW in that town before...just found in a search...

Top Secret, Personal and Urgent

Follow up: 1st Regt HQ, 13 February 1991.

To all companies and platoons. Subject: Enemy pilots.

The leader, our President, had ordered in a letter by the Council of the Defense Ministry, classified Top Secret, Personal and Urgent, Number 927 and dated 3 Feb 91 which was forwarded to us by a letter from the command of Kathima Forces classified Top Secret, Personal and Urgent Number 175 dated 9 Feb 91.

Concerning the two killed pilots whose bodies have not been brought to the Western area transportation command. Those two bodies should be brought to the area designated for bodies. Concerning the wounded prisoner in Al-Qa'im hospital. He must be transferred to Baghdad. Please implement these two orders as fast as you can.

Signed,

Brigadier General Abdulhaddi Aziz Abdullah,
Commander of the Follow Ups 1st Regt,
Dated Feb 91[6]

Center for Nonproliferation Studies

12 posted on 04/11/2003 2:13:17 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter
Very intriguing! What would a MOAB do to WMD's? Would it incinerate them or possibly disperse them?
13 posted on 04/11/2003 2:49:28 PM PDT by jerseygirl
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14 posted on 04/11/2003 2:49:51 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and where is Tom Daschle?)
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To: jerseygirl
What would a MOAB do to WMD's? Would it incinerate them or possibly disperse them?

Could not find a definitive answer to that in a search...I know that some say the Gulf War Syndrome was caused by bombs hitting WMDs and therefore dispersing the chemicals. The MOAB, on the other hand has so much power, it may incinerate the WMDs with very little if any dispersal.

15 posted on 04/11/2003 2:57:09 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter
"Oh really now..."

Yes, really now.
16 posted on 04/11/2003 3:05:51 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: Geist Krieger
American officials say the sheer tenacity of the Iraqi fight has led them to suspect that the Iraqis might be defending Scud missiles or other weapons.

Are they sure those are Iraqi forces? I have received information from the front (second hand) that the intense fighting elsewhere hasn't been brought by Iraqis, but by Palestinians and other Arabs.

17 posted on 04/11/2003 3:20:08 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
"I have received information from the front (second hand) that the intense fighting elsewhere hasn't been brought by Iraqis, but by Palestinians and other Arabs."

I hope so. Kill them there or kill them here.

18 posted on 04/11/2003 3:36:53 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam
Agreed. The letter I got said they were "killing them by the bucketload." The consequence to keep in mind is that there are many families losing their sons all over the Arab world. How they will react and what the long term consequences will be are anybody's guess.
19 posted on 04/11/2003 3:43:14 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Because there are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Nightshift
ping-be sure to also see article in post 6
20 posted on 04/11/2003 3:47:44 PM PDT by tutstar
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