What Is the Objectivist View of Libertarianism?

Objectivist Center ^ | 3/03 | David Kelley and William Thomas

[xm177e2]

So between two posts you go from claiming Objectivists are the bretheren of Communists to claiming that the Communists are right that Objectivists are the spawn of Satan. I can see you are not an Objectivist, because you are completely lacking in reason.

[steve-b]

True -- my post was intended more a comment on the fulminations of self-proclaimed Objectivists than a comment on the philosophy itself.

[RJCogburn]

Thanks for posting this pointy-headed article explaining the intricacies of Objectivism, Anarchism, Libertarianism, and Breatharianism.

An article that might have produced some serious discussion on a subject that might be of interest to some.

Your comments are in poor form, IMO, adding nothing of substance.

[Rate_Determining_Step]

(who thinks that both libertarians and objectivists ignore the obvious conclusions to be drawn from the respective philosophies.)

That would nice, but Libertarianism as such doesn't address philisophy - just politics.

Only the most ill-informed, casual thinking Libertarians claim that their political party is an integrated philosophy.

It is entirely acceptable and non-contradictary to be a mystical, anti-reason, altruistic, collectivist dope smoker and still be a Libertarian. I have unfortunately met more like this than than any group this side of the Greens. This included *Democrats* (!)

Suffice it to say, these traits are not Objectivism.

I was a Libertarian before I wised up. I don't see what an Objectivist can learn from "Libertarianism".

[OWK]

It is entirely acceptable and non-contradictary to be a mystical, anti-reason, altruistic, collectivist dope smoker and still be a Libertarian.

Not if the non-aggression principle (the cornerstone of libertarian political advocacy) is followed to it's logical conclusion.

Are there non-thinking dolts who call themselves "libertarian" because they think it sounds cool, without ever having bothered to find out what it is?

Sure.

Are there pointy-headed pseudo-intellectuals who stretch objectivism into all sorts of contortions to make it fit their worldview (making it essentially useless)?

Absolutely.

But that isn't an indictement of either libertarianism or objectivism. It's an indictment of dolts and pointy-headed pseudo-intellectuals.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

...the only actions that should be forbidden by law are those that involve the initiation of force against those who have not themselves used force...

:)

Yes, it's a romantic, idealistic dream, which assumes people will act in a principled way, when left to their own devices. But maybe should all strive for a little more romance and ideals, in our politics?

[Byron_the_Aussie]

Hey, OWK! Great to see you back on FR, mate.

[Rate_Determining_Step]

>> It is entirely acceptable and non-contradictary to be a mystical, anti-reason, altruistic, collectivist dope smoker and still be a Libertarian.

>> Not if the non-aggression principle (the cornerstone of libertarian political advocacy) is followed to it's logical conclusion.

OK, pull "collectivist" and I'm accurate.

You entirely bypass my point that Libertarianism is a >political party<. NOT a philosophy. Not even close.

[OWK]

You entirely bypass my point that Libertarianism is a >political party<. NOT a philosophy. Not even close.

It is a political party which is supposed to be predicated on the non-aggression principle.

[Rate_Determining_Step]

> It is a political party which is supposed to be predicated on the non-aggression principle.

Big whoop. Not enough.

[Kevin Curry]

You're an admitted anarchist. You have no crediblity.

[f.Christian]

You are liberal ...

if you think you can defy -- change -- deny ---

the * LAWS * of REALITY (( science // responsibilities // consequences )) !

Most people are ... liberatarians -- anarchists (( dreamers // anarchists )) ...

lot's --- * criminals * (( psychos )) too !

You just can't make it up --- to suit yourself --- as you like it !

[f.Christian]

Most people are ... liberatarians -- anarchists (( dreamers // idealists )) ... reality repelled !

[Trailerpark Badass]

Your comments are in poor form, IMO, adding nothing of substance.

LOL! It's all he does!

[Rate_Determining_Step]

Anarchists are one reason I'll never give up my guns.

[OWK]

Anarchists are one reason I'll never give up my guns.

Statists with guns, is the reason I self-identify as a rational anarchist.

[OWK]

You are liberal ... if you think you can defy -- change -- deny --- the * LAWS * of REALITY (( science // responsibilities // consequences )) ! Most people are ... liberatarians -- anarchists (( dreamers // anarchists )) ... lot's --- * criminals * (( psychos )) too ! You just can't make it up --- to suit yourself --- as you like it !

[OWK]

You're an admitted anarchist. You have no crediblity.

Wow... credibility with Kevin Curry.

How will I ever live without such a precious commodity?

[OWK]

Big whoop. Not enough.

That was supposed to be an answer?

I'm underwhelmed.

[Zon]

I'm an objectivist libertarian.

(who thinks that both libertarians and objectivists ignore the obvious conclusions to be drawn from the respective philosophies.)

What are the respective philosophies? I know Objectivism is a philosophy. As far as I've always thought and know is that libertarian is a political platform, not a philosophy. What is the other philosophy you make reference to.