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Question About Firearm Selection for Home Defense (VANITY)
vanity | April 13, 2003 | Jim Noble

Posted on 04/13/2003 7:10:36 PM PDT by Jim Noble

I have been trying to select a home defense firearm. I have handled and fired .38 special, .357 Magnum, and .45 ACP handguns, and 12-gauge and 20-gauge shotguns, but I'm not (yet) an experienced shooter.

I also have small kids at home.

I like the shotgun option, but have 2 concerns. 1) Do I like it because blowing away bad guys with a shotgun looks cool in the movies? (i.e., is this as viable an option as a handgun). 2) Can a bad guy with a handgun kill me before he is in lethal range of my shotgun?

Thanks in advance to all the experienced shooters here.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; handguns; homedefense; shotguns
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1 posted on 04/13/2003 7:10:36 PM PDT by Jim Noble
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2 posted on 04/13/2003 7:12:46 PM PDT by RIGHT IN SEATTLE (by taking)
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To: Jim Noble
Inside a house, there is no such place as outside the lethal range of a shotgun loaded with appropriate ammo.
5 posted on 04/13/2003 7:15:50 PM PDT by Restorer (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Jim Noble
I use a Mossberg 590 12 Ga. shotgun loaded with just plain birdshot. 8 or 9 rounds of birdshot. Must handgun or rifle projectiles can be lethal to neighbors in tight situations.
6 posted on 04/13/2003 7:15:58 PM PDT by AdA$tra (Tagline maintenance in progress......)
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>> "2) Can a bad guy with a handgun kill me before he is in lethal range of my shotgun?"

Not likely. Shotgun can be lethal to 40 yards or more. Most home encounters are in the 10 ft range.
7 posted on 04/13/2003 7:16:10 PM PDT by sd-joe
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To: Jim Noble
I am partial to a Remington 870, 12 gauge, loaded with 00 Buckshot. At 50 feet it will tear a whole through a 1/2 inch sheet of plywood. Plus with a scatter gun you don't need a whole lot of light to get a bead on your target.
8 posted on 04/13/2003 7:18:22 PM PDT by mtbrandon49 ("Beware the fury of a patient man")
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Ditto!
9 posted on 04/13/2003 7:20:26 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Jim Noble
Winchestesrs 'Defender' in 12-gauge loaded with 4-ought buck will throw more bullets faster than submachine gun and will out range the majority of hand guns in the open and at close quarters is the scaryist weapon around.
10 posted on 04/13/2003 7:21:03 PM PDT by fella
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To: Jim Noble
I agree with post #6 as to a 12 ga. loaded with birdshot. The birdshot tend to shed energy very quickly as it passes through something solid like a wall and therefore may not be as much a danger to neighbors, livestock, etc.

You still have to practice on a repeated basis to develop and maintain proficiency, as you would with any weapon you're depending on for defense.

The best thing a shotgun has going for it, IMHO, is that the sound or racking a round into the chamber should soil the undergarments of almost any intruder.
11 posted on 04/13/2003 7:23:44 PM PDT by x1stcav (HooAhh!)
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An ex-Navy Seal once told me that a sawed off 12 gauge shotgun is the home defence weapon of choice. Of course, being so effective, it's also illegal.
12 posted on 04/13/2003 7:23:57 PM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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I use a Mossberg 20 guage with a pistol grip. The pistol grip reduces the lenght of the firearm and the handgun's manueverability advantage if your opponent is packing one.

I use 00 buck loaded with #4 shot.

My rifles are packed to fly.

13 posted on 04/13/2003 7:25:01 PM PDT by ez (...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.)
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The shotgun is the most versatile weapon ever made. Some of the best shotguns for home defense are the Winchester Defender, the Mossberg 500 series, the Remington 870 and the Benelli M-1.
14 posted on 04/13/2003 7:27:14 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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Get a handgun with a magazine safety if you have kids in the house and no safe of any sort.

These include the Smith and Wesson autos, like the 4506 in 45 caliber, or the 6906 in 9MM or their variants.

You can also opt for a Browning High Power or one of the clone variants in 9mm or 40 caliber. It has a mag safety also.

This means you can take the magazine out of the gun, even if it has a round in the chamber, and it won't fire.

If you go for a shotgun, get the 870, it's the best of the bunch, and easy to learn the manual of arms for it.

15 posted on 04/13/2003 7:28:39 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (The first rule in a gunfight is to have a gun...)
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To: Jim Noble
The pump action shotgun has a very distinct advantageous side effect: 

The pumping of the slide is such an ominous and distinctive sound it scares the crap out of 99.99% of those that hear and understand they might be on the receiving end of a close quarters load of buckshot...

This alone makes it a fabulous choice. 

Sun Tzu:

"To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting."
16 posted on 04/13/2003 7:28:45 PM PDT by antaresequity (...)
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To: Jim Noble
I have a Ruger Super Redhawk .44 Magnum that I use for home defense. I'm in the market for a 12 gauge shotgun right now. If you really need to kill somebody, use a shotgun.

Incidentally, I was told by a former cop that a 12 gauge shotgun loaded with 00 shot has the stopping power of nine .357 rounds. I can't confirm that, but a more gun savvy Freeper probably could.

17 posted on 04/13/2003 7:29:02 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: x1stcav
Trying to chamber a round within earshot of a burglar isn't a smart thing to do. You wouldn't do it with a semi-automatic pistol so why do it with a shotgun.
18 posted on 04/13/2003 7:29:41 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: x1stcav
The best thing a shotgun has going for it, IMHO, is that the sound or racking a round into the chamber should soil the undergarments of almost any intruder.

Sun Tzu:

"To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting."
19 posted on 04/13/2003 7:30:13 PM PDT by antaresequity (...)
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To: ez
Shot guns are easiest to master,easiest to operate in aclutch. the Ithaca 12 is particularly wicked because as long as you hold down the trigger it will fire at the end of every shuck. You can become adept at emptiing the thing in about 3 seconds thereby disposing of anything in that part of the state. Dead men tell no tales.
20 posted on 04/13/2003 7:30:53 PM PDT by ping jockey
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