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April 14 1865 President Abraham Lincoln shot in Ford's Theatre by John Wilkes Booth
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Posted on 04/14/2003 7:39:53 AM PDT by Valin

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To: sheltonmac
"Reconstruction would not have been as devastating to the South or the nation as a whole."

I agree with that. It would have been in keeping with his past actions and rhetoric.
41 posted on 04/14/2003 8:05:35 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: southernnorthcarolina
That's Democrat revisionist nonsense. Andrew Johnson had been vowing to hang the Confederate leadership if ever he became President. In contrast, Thaddeus Stevens, the arch-Radical Republican, opposed capital punishment. He even offered to defend Jefferson Davis against any sentence of death.
42 posted on 04/14/2003 8:05:41 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Valin
Listening to Lincoln's last speech, John Wilkes Booth said: "That means n_____ citizenship. That's the last speech he'll ever make!"
44 posted on 04/14/2003 8:08:06 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: sheltonmac
While Booth is an interesting character in the same vain as Billy Bonney or Doc Holiday, the death of Lincoln was devastating to the South.


45 posted on 04/14/2003 8:08:14 AM PDT by JohnGalt (Class of '98)
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To: AppyPappy
Blah blah blah. Lincoln wanted to ship the blacks to Latin America.

President Lincoln's primary purpose was to save the Union. He said he would leave no card unplayed, but he -never- suggested that anyone be forced out of the country.

You throw up your hands in mock disgust at the most reasonable actions by President Lincoln.

It makes you seem as if you can form no fair or intelligent position of your own. Continue to parrot the white supremacists and you'll be tarred with the same brush.

Walt

46 posted on 04/14/2003 8:08:15 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: AppyPappy
wrong. The people he offered free land in Liberia...NOT SHIPPED...and they chose not to. Are you really Baghdad Bob, cuz you have his sense of accurate reporting.
47 posted on 04/14/2003 8:08:46 AM PDT by Keith
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Sandburg wrote some of the great prose I have ever read. No subject could have been more appropriate for its flowing beauty than Lincoln.
48 posted on 04/14/2003 8:09:18 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: Grand Old Partisan
That was the one which ended by the President asking the band to play Dixie.
49 posted on 04/14/2003 8:10:31 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Oh my God!!! I am on the same side of thought as Wlat!!!

The death of Lincoln was a tragedy for the South as well as the Country. Lincoln's ideas would have made reconstruction less destructive.

50 posted on 04/14/2003 8:11:30 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: WhiskeyPapa
President Lincoln's primary purpose was to save the Union.

Sure it was. He didn't want to burn Atlanta and loot farms. We made him do it.

51 posted on 04/14/2003 8:12:10 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: vetvetdoug
It would have been much more successful.
52 posted on 04/14/2003 8:12:15 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: AppyPappy
He didn't want to burn Atlanta and loot farms.

The Civil War's sad necessity analogous to the a-bomb on Japan...sad, but necessary to ending the South's ability to wage war. Were I Lincoln, I would do it again.

Especially yours...
53 posted on 04/14/2003 8:14:56 AM PDT by Keith
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Also, let's not forget the cowardly attack on William Henry Seward the same night.

Although the Secretary survived, his wife and beautiful daugher, Fannie, were in shock and did not live long after the attacks. Frederick Seward, who had his head bashed in by Paine, had a successful career diminished in potential.

I've always had an admiration for the New York politician who could have been President himself, but after a difficult period of acceptance, resigned himself to be one of Lincoln's ablest and loyal supporters.

His ideas for the end of the First Inaugural were incorporated by Lincoln to create one of the most memorable inaugural speeches in our history.
54 posted on 04/14/2003 8:15:17 AM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: vetvetdoug
The death of Lincoln was a tragedy for the South as well as the Country. Lincoln's ideas would have made reconstruction less destructive.

"...in the wake of the assasination, editors, generals and public officials across the South voiced the opinion that the region had lost its best friend. Indignation meetings, so-called, were convened in many places. Lincoln stood for peace, mercy, and forgiveness. His loss, therefore, was a calamity for the defeated states. This opinion was sometimes ascribed to Jefferson Davis, even though he stood accused of complicity in the assasination....

He [Davis] read the telegram [bringing news of Lincoln's death] and when it brought an exultant shout raised his hand to check the demonstration..."He had power over the Northern people," Davis wrote in his memoir of the war," and was without malignity to the southern people."...Alone of the southern apologists, [Alexander] Stephens held Lincoln in high regard. "The Union with him in sentiment," said the Georgian, "rose to the sublimnity of religious mysticism...in 1873 "Little Elick" Stephens, who again represented his Georgia district in Congress, praised Lincoln for his wisdom, kindness and generosity in a well-publicized speech seconding the acceptance of the gift of Francis B. Carpenter's famous painting of Lincoln and the Emancipation Proclamation."...

[in 1880] a young law student at the University of Virginia, Thomas Woodrow Wilson, speaking for the southern generation that grew to maturity after the war, declared, "I yield to no one precedence in love of the South. But because I love the South, I rejoice in the failure of the Confederacy"...the leading propenent of that creed was Henry W. Grady, editor of the Atlanta Constitution. In 1886 Grady, thirty-six years old, was invited to address the New England Society of New York, on the 266th anniversary to the landing of the Pilgrims at Plymouth. General Sherman, seated on the platform, was an honored guest, and the band played [I am not making this up] "Marching Through Georgia" before Grady was Introduced. Pronouncing the death of the Old South, he lauded the New South of Union and freedom and progress. And he offered Lincoln as the vibrant symbol not alone of reconciliation but of American character. "Lincoln," he said, "comprehended within himself all the strength, and gentleness, all the majesty and grace of the republic." He was indeed, the first American, "the sum of Puritan and Cavalier, in whose ardent nature were fused the virtues of both, and in whose great soul the faults of both were lost."

--From "Lincoln in American Memory" by Merrill D. Peterson P. 46-48

"He [General Sherman]then he spoke to the two Confederates [John C. Breckinridge and Joseph E. Johnston]of Lincoln's assassination. Johnston confided to Sherman his horror at the deed, fearing it would be blamed on the Confederates, and that Lincoln might have been their greatest ally in reconstruction."

Stepping outside to their now mingled escorts, they found the news generally known, as Sherman introduced the two of them to his staff, and Breckinridge and Reagan discussed it with some of their followers. The postmaster said he hoped no connection between the murdered and their cause would be found, or it should go hard for them, while Breckinridge said Lincoln's death at this time and in this manner must precipitate great calamity for them. "Gentlemen," he told them, “the South has lost its best friend." At once he wrote a message to be taken by courier to Davis, announcing the assassination and what he called the "dastardly attempt" on Seward. As soon as he got back to Goldsboro and the telegraph, he would send a wire with more details Sherman also took Breckinridge aside privately and advised him that despite the provision for universal amnesty in their agreement, he doubted that the North would allow it to apply o the civil leaders. If they could, they had all better leave the country especially Davis. Noting that there was particular hostility toward Breckinridge since, as one-time vice president, he was the highest ranking living civilian to go over to the rebellion he advised the Kentuckian to be sure to get away. Breckinridge replied that he would give the Yankees no more trouble on his own account, and that he would attempt to get Davis and himself and the rest out of the country as soon as possible."

-"An Honorable Defeat" pp.166-67 by William C. Davis

The people that belittle President Lincoln today have no idea of the history.

Walt

55 posted on 04/14/2003 8:18:22 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: republicanwizard
At his second inauguration, Abraham Lincoln wore a magnificent coat specially crafted for him by Brooks Brothers. Hand stitched into the coat's lining was an intricate design featuring an eagle and the inscription, "One Country, One Destiny." Sadly, it was also the coat Lincoln was wearing when he was assassinated at Ford's Theater.
56 posted on 04/14/2003 8:18:28 AM PDT by MatthewViti
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To: Keith
He didn't want to burn Atlanta and loot farms.

Oh no, of course not. Maybe the Jooos made him do it.

Were I Lincoln, I would do it again. Especially yours...

You got it to do, pussy boy.

57 posted on 04/14/2003 8:19:29 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Keith
"Especially yours..."

Sorry, that was mean...just kidding.
58 posted on 04/14/2003 8:20:08 AM PDT by Keith
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To: Keith
The Confederates burned down Chambersburg PA two years before, and did plenty of looting of Maryland and Pennsylvania and Kentucky. They even dragged away in chains any black person they could find.
59 posted on 04/14/2003 8:20:37 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Andrew Johnson had been vowing to hang the Confederate leadership if ever he became President. In contrast, Thaddeus Stevens, the arch-Radical Republican, opposed capital punishment. He even offered to defend Jefferson Davis against any sentence of death.

That's certainly plausible. Whether you believe that Johnson's threats to the Confederate leadership sprang from a genuine hatred of them, or whether you believe that he was trying to get "ahead of the curve" by pandering to the the more vengeance-oriented members of Congress in order to save his own political skin, or whether you think he was trying to dispell any impression that his loyalty to the Union was suspect due to his Southern origins, the salient fact is that Lincoln's assasination was very bad news for the soon-to-be-defeated South, and Jefferson Davis knew it.

60 posted on 04/14/2003 8:21:10 AM PDT by southernnorthcarolina (optional tag line, printed after my name)
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