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Farewell Gayborhood!
Toogood Reports ^ | 3/19/2003 | Bernard Chapin

Posted on 04/14/2003 12:22:30 PM PDT by scripter

Without the fanfare of the ecstasy inebriated dropping dead before me or incandescent disco balls oscillating their goodbyes, I left my home of five years last week in the Chicago borough of Lakeview. It was my first home and I bought it at the not so tender age of 28. I doubled my investment and quintupled my knowledge of "Gay America" at the same time while I lived there. The demographic makeup of my former area, which is officially known of as "East Lakeview," is one of the gayest on the continent. Sometimes the neighborhood is called "Wrigleyville" due to the presence of the Chicago Cubs but often, especially due to the thin, artificially endorphin-addicted denizens of the acreage, it is known as "Boystown."

As I've implied above, Boystown isn't on the tourist maps but it is the self-proclaimed ghetto for many of the gays from the Midwest (and from just about everywhere else too). I'll begin by throwing them a sop and citing the two biggest positive impacts of them being there. First, they settled in a "sketchy" area and immediately made it livable. Out of Chicago's many neighborhoods, the "Gayborhood" (as the homosexuals often jokingly call it) is remarkably safe. We owe them thanks as they remade it with their cash, pastel colors, taverns, knick-knack shops, coffee houses, home beautification stores, hair salons, sex shops, pornography emporiums, and compact disc outlets.

The second positive impact is entirely personal. They made me. I acknowledge my corruption of the title of a Graham Green novel when I say "The gays made me" but they surely did. In 1998 I was just another "liberal" who went along with the flow that my schooling and parents set for me. Without the gays I'd be just another tag along politically correct dope. They showed me what I did not want to be and I'm forever grateful.

Five years ago I had accepted all the media explanations about them. I bought that they had this new perspective on life and how much their culture had to offer. I idealistically bragged to others that I was moving there and that it wouldn't bother me. The only problem was that over the course of those five years I got to know them apart from the spin of the leftist media. The experiences I've had have allowed me to conquer almost any argument as the truth of the matter is that these guys are stranger than anything Franz Kafka could have dreamed up. The prevailing "compassionate" view of the gays is supported only by public ignorance. The biggest lie of them all is that "they're just like us." Let me state unequivocally, they are not like us. I have seen things in five years that would shock a drug counselor in Amsterdam (well, maybe not Amsterdam, more like a drug counselor in Columbus, Ohio).

On my first Sunday there I had my walk to the hardware store interrupted by two Asian homosexuals, whose combined weight was less than my own, block my path with their bicycles saying "What have we here?" I hoped against hope that they would not physically touch me as then I would be required to do something in retaliation. As luck would have it, they moved out of the way right before I got to their corner of the sidewalk. The experience is not unique as my friend Vic, who is more fit than me and often a target of G-d knows what types of comments, summed it up best when he said "I just want to live somewhere and be able to look people in the eye without getting creeped out."

Later that day I signed up for a month at the closest gym. The equipment there is among the finest I've ever seen. However, the cliental there caused the place to be nicknamed "Loins" Gym. The majority of those present were gay which I accepted although I acknowledged that it had to be the most unsightly bunch that I've ever run across and I've worked out in gyms since 1987. This was also the first time since the late 80's that I witnessed widespread steroid use. A trained eye can spot "steroid skin" very quickly. Steroids are an unmistakable conclusion when one encounters fifty-year olds covered in acne and individuals who gain or lose twenty pounds every month. I later learned where the drugs came from as many of the gym users had bought their drugs from AIDS patients they knew who had been prescribed the testosterone cypionate, Deca-Durabolin, growth hormone, etc. for sound medical reasons but chose to sell them instead out of economic necessity. Obviously there was a ready demand to match the supply in the Gayborhood.

Shortly after I joined my gym I walked into the bathroom to "use the facilities" when a black gay, slightly taller than I, rushed out of nowhere and situated himself at the urinal next to mine. He then began flapping his penis in a vertical motion and staring at me. I assumed that this was their version of a mating dance. I stopped in midstream and decided that I really could hold it until I got home. I would rarely use the bathroom after that day.

Another, whom I immediately named "Fluffy," used to stare at me constantly. He was in his fifties, emaciated, and cut his spandex shorts extra short so that his butt cheeks would stick out. He was one of the most pathetic individuals I've ever seen. However, he was also quite destructive as one occasion, while I was talking to one of the few girls that were courageous enough to work out there, he abruptly broke into our conversation to yell at her about leaving her sweatshirt on a bench that she was not even using. Sadly, she became horrified and ran out of the gym. "Et tu, Fluffy?" I wanted to ask.

The wild stories from the locale are practically endless. On my way to the train one afternoon I was accosted by at 21 year old who was over six feet tall and looked to be little over 100 pounds. He began asking me a series of bizarre questions like, “Do you know of any fetish bars around here? What types of fetishes do people like? Are you into feet? Where do you go if you're gay and not traditional?”

Eventually, after it became clear I couldn't answer any of his questions, the kid asked me if he could smell my feet for 10 dollars. I told him that there were many men who look exactly like me and lack my angelic disposition and that he should avoid asking them questions like that or he'd become a statistic. I had to be careful how I phrased it or the community might have been the beneficiaries of a free "threat of hate crime" trial at my expense. I have no idea if he ever followed my advice or is presently a statistic but I called at least ten people on my cell phone to report the news of this very entertaining event.

I also met a "married" couple who I at first mistook for father and son. They were exceeding civilized, at least on the surface, but were ten years into a totally open, anti-monogamous relationship. To be blunt, they "did" everybody. I could never understand why they even bothered being together in the first place but they were. A few times a year, after saving enough money, they'd fly out to circuit parties where they'd have sex with many different partners over a weekend. When they returned from one of these Gomorrahs (in that instance specifically called the "Montreal Blue and Black Party") they told me that they had set new records for self-indulgence while there. They said that they had sex with more than 10 different men in the bathroom of where the event was being held. Then, after I reacted in an "intolerant" manner by stating that "you guys are sick m------ f-----s" they responded by saying that I would have done the same thing if women would have let me and they would have been as attractive and cool as the men at their Circuit party.

"Au contraire" I said. My words came readily as my response in such a situation would have been automatic. I told them that any heterosexual man takes meeting a beautiful and cool girl very seriously because there's usually a two relationship back order on them. I told them I'd immediately interview all ten (an imaginary number based on how many they had sex with that weekend) and try to figure out which one was the most emotionally stable and then get her the heck out of there as only a masochist would ever want a high quality woman in the presence of thousands of dogs in heat.

I also knew stories from the couple that many of gays, themselves included, would congregate outside of the Peggy Notabaert Nature Museum late at night for random encounters with like minded peers amongst the dense vegetation. Again I told them that this is not something most heterosexuals would ever do. "That's what apartments are for" I chided. I then offered to take a polygraph as proof of the fact that I had no interest in dragging someone I found attractive into a public restroom or trash strewn bramble patch but I think that they believed my opinion or were at least fed up with arguing with me at that point.

It also sincerely seemed to me, and I know this is discordant with everything presented on television and in the New York Times, that the gays are strongly opposed to heterosexuality and view it as being a major hindrance to their lives.

One of their bars, called "The Manhole," is so infamous that I even heard about it when I was growing up in Detroit. Anyway, this particular bar places slogans or quotes on their sign above their entrance for all to see everyday. They were usually designed to shock as many passerby as possible. In the past the signs produced statements like "women and children last" and "it's cold outside but warm in my manhole." Sunday's signs (plural for front and back) read: "today's forecast: 8 inches" and "the way to a man's heart is through his manhole." Such slogans must strike the politically correct visitor as being very odd indeed.

All around Halsted Street, which runs through all of Boystown (and also all of the city of Chicago) are huge rainbow color embedded phallic symbols that were "erected" by the Mayor at public expense to celebrate the gays and their contribution to the area. They rewarded the Mayor by taunting his police during their 2001 parade as they stopped by the precinct house on the corner of Addison and Halsted and chanted up a storm about the crimes committed against them that the police have done nothing about. The streets were lined with police during the parade who were only there for the purpose of protecting the gays. I and my fellow residents paid for their overtime.

While watching the parade I was hit in the kneecap by a tube of lubricant and saw fantails of condoms float by in the wind after being thrown off of floats. After five years bearing witness to the gays, I still want to know one thing, what can they possibly be proud of? They used to wear clothes reading "We're Everywhere!" and I'd counter with "You're everywhere within this 2 square mile ghetto that you've created for yourselves. After that, you're no where."

The most interesting time in the Gayborhood was the 2000 election when I decided to show "my true colors" around the streets of Lakeview. I began buying t-shirts intentionally to offend them. I bought a "Politically Incorrect and Proud of It" t-shirt from AIM and it is a must for anyone moving there as it yielded hundreds of dirty looks. Then I stepped it up a notch and had one specially made for the Gayborhood. It said "Heterosexual Millennium" on the front and "Straight Pride" on the back. This shirt provoked befuddled looks from the populace as they had never seen one like it before.

Ironically, that shirt did not incite the same type of venom towards me that my "W-2000" shirts got. Apparently, George Bush is hated even more than people who make special attempts to offend them by creating clothes that mock their "Gay Pride." At one point, during the December election crisis, I had a scrawny 50 year old radical begin berating me while I rode the Stairmaster. His position was that I had caused Gore's ascendancy to be questioned. He must have based his opinion on the fact that I was wearing a pro-Bush shirt because I had never in fact seen the man before in my life. When I tried to argue against his flimsy assertions he left to rage to himself in another portion of the gym.

Another gay, a college professor, used to come up to me bad mouthing Bush about everything. Whenever I responded he too would become irate and one time was so upset about one of my positions that he stormed out of the gym. Clearly these people are not used to having anyone stand up to them. They are given a free ride by everybody. That time must end. Stand up to them and you'll see how intolerant they actually are.

Thanks to the Gayborhood experience I'm prepared to joust with them for life. I now know that the penalty for not doing so will be severe for all heterosexuals. Sure I have a few laments like "I could have bought one more t-shirt." If I would have done it over again I would have purchased another two that read "right-wing conspirator" or one that directly mocked their motto of "We're Everywhere." My t-shirt would have been white on black and read simply "Straight pride, We're everywhere, Ask your parents!" Yes, what could have been.

Thank you boys for the education as now if any one wants to know the truth about you I can tell them. Only today, after moving into my new place and the gays now being relegated to just a multicolor memory, can I repeat the famous words of Nero (surely one of their idols) and say that I "can finally live like a human being."

To comment on this article or express your opinion directly to the author, you are invited to e-mail Bernard at bchapafl@hotmail.com .


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda
My own experiences with gays in Santa Cruz, California is very similar to what the author described above.
1 posted on 04/14/2003 12:22:30 PM PDT by scripter
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2 posted on 04/14/2003 12:23:45 PM PDT by scripter
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3 posted on 04/14/2003 12:24:58 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: scripter
Already posted here.
4 posted on 04/14/2003 12:25:14 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: AppyPappy
Darn - search didn't find it. Thanks for the heads up.
5 posted on 04/14/2003 12:27:08 PM PDT by scripter
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To: scripter
I don't know how long the lie that "gays are just like us, only their sexual orientation distinguishes them" is going to be able to hold up.

True, the politically-correct media and the omnipresent threat of lawsuit and charges of "hate crime" are helping to prop it up, but the truth will out, ultimately.
6 posted on 04/14/2003 12:34:38 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
...but the truth will out, ultimately.

Those are my thoughts and hopes as well, and one of the reasons for my continued drive in pushing this issue to the top where everyone can see the truth for themselves.

7 posted on 04/14/2003 12:41:05 PM PDT by scripter
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To: Illbay
I don't know how long the lie that "gays are just like us, only their sexual orientation distinguishes them" is going to be able to hold up.

Maybe I'm just not "in the know", but I cant really recall straight people flaunting their sexual proclivities as offensively as do gays. When was the last parade you saw where straight people rode around on floats shaped like sexual positions and throwing condoms, lube, and porno all over the place. Bill Clinton's inauguration being the exception.
8 posted on 04/14/2003 12:43:11 PM PDT by CaptainJustice (Dangerous Jesus Lover)
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To: Illbay
I don't know how long the lie that "gays are just like us, only their sexual orientation distinguishes them" is going to be able to hold up.

Probably about 1 generation.

9 posted on 04/14/2003 12:47:57 PM PDT by Defiant (Iraqtion: That swelling pride that results from raising the staff of freedom.)
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To: CaptainJustice
Homosexuals will respond that "those are just the most outrageous; most of us are not like that. We're just like you, only we choose to love others who have the same gender we do."

That's a lie, but it's the one everyone chooses to accept, because the reality is most unpleasant.
10 posted on 04/14/2003 12:48:18 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: CaptainJustice
What I find amazing is that homosexuals end up putting themselves in a box, by identifying themselves as homosexuals. I am a heterosexual, but I don't mention it to people... the fact that I am married with children, kind of says it all. However, I do not think of myself as a heterosexual ONLY. I am a woman, wife, mother, daughter, friend,etc... who just happens to be heterosexual. I don't think I have ever had to announce to the world that I am straight, like that should give me a sense of pride, and cause them to ponder just what it means to be straight.
11 posted on 04/14/2003 12:50:40 PM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Lurking since 2000.)
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To: Illbay
Well, if the truth is unpleasant, we should sweep it under the rug. I mean, heaven forbid that this world be unpleasant. ::shudders::
12 posted on 04/14/2003 12:51:01 PM PDT by CaptainJustice (Dangerous Jesus Lover)
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To: scripter
My experiences in San Francisco. EXACTLY!!!

What a find!!! Thank you for posting this. This is THE TRUTH ladies and gentlemen!!!
13 posted on 04/14/2003 12:59:13 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband ("I am a conservative.... I support the war!" - Courtney Love on her forum kittyradio.com)
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To: CaptainJustice
"...Maybe I'm just not "in the know", but I cant really recall straight people flaunting their sexual proclivities as offensively as do gays. When was the last parade you saw where straight people rode around on floats shaped like sexual positions and throwing condoms, lube, and porno all over the place"

Mardi Gras;)

14 posted on 04/14/2003 1:04:21 PM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: scripter
LOL, gotta laugh at gayborhood....
15 posted on 04/14/2003 1:09:11 PM PDT by Remedy
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To: scripter
What a creepy, disgusting way of life. Full of disease and darkness. Let them live in there own city. To be so focused on your deviant sex life. Sad really.
16 posted on 04/14/2003 1:14:44 PM PDT by CroftonFreeper (Britan needs parking. Pave France.)
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To: Remedy
I clicked on the thread thinking it might be about Ms Gabor ... you know, a miss-typed name? Never mind ...
17 posted on 04/14/2003 1:23:59 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: CaptainJustice
Maybe I'm just not "in the know", but I cant really recall straight people flaunting their sexual proclivities as offensively as do gays.

Clearly you did not read today's Girls Gone Wild thread.

OK OK, no anonymous sex in the shrubbery. Male homosexuals are in fact uniquely agressive about sex. But heteros will go 85% of the way there, more than far enough to get every bluenose's panties in a twist.

The answer is written in the Constitution: Freedom of association. Boy Scouts and Cathoics should be free to exclude gays. Gays can have their gayborhoods.

18 posted on 04/14/2003 1:26:36 PM PDT by eno_
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To: CroftonFreeper
Sad really.

Sad indeed. I think a freeper on my ping list refers to it the same way, but calls it SAD (Same-sex Attraction Disorder).

19 posted on 04/14/2003 1:29:54 PM PDT by scripter
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To: eno_
Bowers v. Hardwick, 478 US 186 (1986)
After being charged with violating the Georgia statute criminalizing sodomy by committing that act with another adult male in the bedroom of his home, respondent Hardwick (respondent) brought suit in Federal District Court, challenging the constitutionality of the statute insofar as it criminalized consensual sodomy. The court granted the defendants' motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim. The Court of Appeals reversed and remanded, holding that the Georgia statute violated respondent's fundamental rights.

Held: The Georgia statute is constitutional. Pp. 190-196 .

(a) The Constitution does not confer a fundamental right upon homosexuals to engage in sodomy. None of the fundamental rights announced in this Court's prior cases involving family relationships, marriage, or procreation bear any resemblance to the right asserted in this case. And any claim that those cases stand for the proposition that any kind of private sexual conduct between consenting adults is constitutionally insulated from state proscription is unsupportable. Pp. 190-191 .

(b) Against a background in which many States have criminalized sodomy and still do, to claim that a right to engage in such conduct is "deeply rooted in this Nation's history and tradition" or "implicit in the concept of ordered liberty" is, at best, facetious. Pp. 191-194 .

(c) There should be great resistance to expand the reach of the Due Process Clauses to cover new fundamental rights. Otherwise, the Judiciary necessarily would take upon itself further authority to govern the country without constitutional authority. The claimed right in this case falls far short of overcoming this resistance. Pp. 194-195 .

(d) The fact that homosexual conduct occurs in the privacy of the home does not affect the result. Stanley v. Georgia, 394 U.S. 557 , distinguished. Pp. 195-196 .

(e) Sodomy laws should not be invalidated on the asserted basis that majority belief that sodomy is immoral is an inadequate rationale to support the laws. P. 196 .

Hundreds rally for '10 Commandments judge'

"They have objected to my behavior as a judge because I reference the moral foundation of the law when we talked about sodomy, when we talked about adultery, when we talked about separation of church and state. I go back to the legal history that we have here in Alabama, our court case precedents, and the foundations of law to show that these things comport with the Scriptures from which we get our moral foundation."

Gay rights organizations in Alabama and Washington, including Equality Begins at Home of Central Alabama, are calling for Moore's resignation, accusing him of using "right-wing rhetoric and far right religious dogma to justify homophobia and execution of homosexuals."

The effort is in response to the Alabama high court's unanimous decision to reject a lesbian mother's child custody petition. Moore wrote a separate concurring opinion, repudiating homosexuality on religious grounds, calling it "abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature, and a violation of the laws of nature and of nature's God."


Because of the nature of the crime, the penalties for the act of sodomy were often severe. For example, Thomas Jefferson indicated that in his home state of Virginia, "dismemberment" of the offensive organ was the penalty for sodomy. 7 In fact, Jefferson himself authored a bill penalizing sodomy by castration. 8 The laws of the other states showed similar or even more severe penalties:

That the detestable and abominable vice of buggery [sodomy] . . . shall be from henceforth adjudged felony . . . and that every person being thereof convicted by verdict, confession, or outlawry [unlawful flight to avoid prosecution], shall be hanged by the neck until he or she shall be dead. 9 NEW YORK
That if any man shall lie with mankind as he lieth with womankind, both of them have committed abomination; they both shall be put to death. 10 CONNECTICUT
Sodomy . . . shall be punished by imprisonment at hard labour in the penitentiary during the natural life or lives of the person or persons convicted of th[is] detestable crime. 11 GEORGIA
That if any man shall commit the crime against nature with a man or male child . . . every such offender, being duly convicted thereof in the Supreme Judicial Court, shall be punished by solitary imprisonment for such term not exceeding one year and by confinement afterwards to hard labor for such term not exceeding ten years. 12 MAINE
That if any person or persons shall commit sodomy . . . he or they so offending or committing any of the said crimes within this province, their counsellors, aiders, comforters, and abettors, being convicted thereof as above said, shall suffer as felons. 13 [And] shall forfeit to the Commonwealth all and singular the lands and tenements, goods and chattels, whereof he or she was seized or possessed at the time . . . at the discretion of the court passing the sentence, not exceeding ten years, in the public gaol or house of correction of the county or city in which the offence shall have been committed and be kept at such labor. 14 PENNSYLVANIA
[T]he detestable and abominable vice of buggery [sodomy] . . . be from henceforth adjudged felony . . . and that the offenders being hereof convicted by verdict, confession, or outlawry [unlawful flight to avoid prosecution], shall suffer such pains of death and losses and penalties of their goods. 15 SOUTH CAROLINA
That if any man lieth with mankind as he lieth with a woman, they both shall suffer death. 16 VERMONT

8. Thomas Jefferson, The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, Andrew A. Lipscomb, editor (Washington, D. C.: Thomas Jefferson M emorial Association, 1904), Vol. I, pp. 226-227, from Jefferson's "For Proportioning Crimes and Punishments."
9. Laws of the State of New-York . . . Since the Revolution (New York: Thomas Greenleaf, 1798), Vol. I, p. 336.
10. The Public Statute Laws of the State of Connecticut (Hartford: Hudson and Goodwin, 1808), Book I, p. 295.
11. A Digest of the Laws of the State of Georgia (Milledgeville: Grantland & Orme, 1822), p. 350.
12. Laws of the State of Maine (Hallowell: Goodale, Glazier & Co., 1822), p. 58.
13. Laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (Philadelphia: John Bioren, 1810), Vol. I, p. 113.
14. Collinson Read, An Abridgment of the Laws of Pennsylvania (Philadelphia, 1801), p. 279.
15. Alphabetical Digest of the Public Statute Laws of South-Carolina (Charleston: John Hoff, 1814), Vol. I, p. 99.
16. Statutes of the State of Vermont (Bennington, 1791), p. 74.

20 posted on 04/14/2003 1:30:45 PM PDT by Remedy
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To: scripter
My eyes were opened by reading The Dungeon Master, the story of the disappearence of James Dallas Egbert III. The rumor was that he disappeared playing D&D. Let's just say that's not what he was doing or how he disappeared.
21 posted on 04/14/2003 1:58:03 PM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: scripter
what is the deal with the lesbian morning show from L.A. called "good morning". At first I thought this was some kind of parody of morning shows. Then I realized it was real! This must be part of "normalizing".
22 posted on 04/14/2003 2:03:23 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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To: Illbay
"I don't know how long the lie that 'gays are just like us, only their sexual orientation distinguishes them' is going to be able to hold up."

Oh, no, sweetie, gays are not like us, nor do they want to be. I miss my gay neighbors soooo much. The white trash heteros who moved in don't keep nearly as nice a yard. And for the first time in ten years, the house actually NEEDS painting. My property value is taking a big dive! What to do, what to do?? :o)
23 posted on 04/14/2003 2:30:51 PM PDT by thetruckster
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To: thetruckster
The gay couple down the street has a yard to die for.

TO DIE FOR.

Yes, they're here in suburban Houston as well.
24 posted on 04/14/2003 2:36:43 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: scripter
True Manhole experience here. When I was 18 back in 1989, I had a summer job with Pepsi. This was when most of the routes had 2 men on the trucks. We were delivering to the 7-11 across the street when the driver tells me to go into the bar to get an order. So, I walk in... thinking nothing of it. Go up to the bar and start to get the order from the owner. I am leaning on the bar writing on a piece of paper, when I feel a hand grab my butt. I was so startled that I spun around swinging my fist, and pop an older efete queen right in the face. He goes falling to the floor... a customer screams 'Hate Crime'... I look around and the owner is laughing. 'Sugar', he says 'you better get out of here and send in the other guy'. Needing no other prompting... I run out of the bar and see the driver laughing on the ground. Pissed me off... especially when we had to wait for the police... just for me to tell them that the dude grabbed my ass.
25 posted on 04/14/2003 2:41:02 PM PDT by grinner
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To: scripter
All around Halsted Street, which runs through all of Boystown (and also all of the city of Chicago) are huge rainbow color embedded phallic symbols that were "erected" by the Mayor at public expense to celebrate the gays and their contribution to the area.

I recall the Chicago Outlaws motorcycle club as having had one of their clubhouses on Halsted. I doubt there are many such *decorations* within their view....


26 posted on 04/14/2003 2:49:05 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: grinner
I've had managers and co-workers do that. While I really wanted to deck them I just walked off the job after seeing management wouldn't do anything.
27 posted on 04/14/2003 5:20:13 PM PDT by scripter
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To: Claud
Ping. One for the files.
28 posted on 04/15/2003 8:35:33 PM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: Antoninus
BTT
29 posted on 09/09/2003 11:49:13 AM PDT by presidio9 (Run Al Run!!!)
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To: thetruckster
My property value is taking a big dive! What to do, what to do??

Great! Call the tax office and have them reduce your property tax.

30 posted on 09/09/2003 12:13:07 PM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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