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Officials Reject Plan to Fix Voting Machines
Newsday ^ | 4/16/03

Posted on 04/16/2003 12:32:12 PM PDT by areafiftyone

The city won't fix its broken voting machines after all, and one elections commissioner alleged it's because Republicans want to keep voters confused.

The Board of Elections yesterday reversed a plan that would have repaired devices on the 7,000 machines, which people accidentally left without voting.

One Democrat joined with the five Republicans on the board to block the machine repairs.

"The Republicans understand it's in their interest to keep voters confused," said Manhattan Democratic Commissioner Douglas Kellner, who spearheaded efforts to have the machines fixed.

The broken devices are believed to be the cause of an estimated 60,000 lost votes in the 2000 presidential race, according to a Newsday analysis.

The lost votes sometimes occur when voters push down the lever entering their selections, but push them back up before throwing the handle to record their votes. In other cases, voters throw the handle without pushing down the levers. The lost votes, also known as the undervote, amounted to 3.9 percent of the citywide vote in that election. The percentage was higher in some districts.

Kellner estimated that 80 percent of those votes would have gone for Democratic candidates.

But Commissioner Stephen Weiner, a Queens Republican, denied that the board was politically motivated in yesterday's decision. "To characterize this as some kind of Republican anti-voting maneuver is incorrect," said Weiner, giving other reasons for his decision to vote against the repairs.

"There are some people who don't want to register a vote, but who report to the polls for civic reasons," Weiner said, arguing that those people should not be forced to vote.

Weiner also noted that the city is only several years away from acquiring new machines. He was not present for the March vote, but voted yesterday not to fix the machines, one reason for the reversal.

Kellner said the city could fix 98 percent of the voting machines in-house with parts that cost less than $20,000.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
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1 posted on 04/16/2003 12:32:12 PM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
Republicans know that anyone who votes demoncrat IS confused!
2 posted on 04/16/2003 12:38:38 PM PDT by SwinneySwitch (Liberate Syria; Support the Troops!)
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To: areafiftyone
In our neck of the woods, the taxpayers spent some money to computerize our voting procedures last year and consolidate a number of precincts. I (and some other Repubs and RATS) lost my job as an elected Precinct Committee Officer because of the reorganization. Also, I've worked a number of elections under the new computerized system. Thus far, computerized voting seems to be working fine.
3 posted on 04/16/2003 12:41:40 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: SwinneySwitch
"There are some people who don't want to register a vote, but who report to the polls for civic reasons," Weiner said, arguing that those people should not be forced to vote.

This is poorly worded or misquotes. It sounds like nonsense, but what he's really saying is that people show up and may vote for some offices, like town judge or clerk, or whatever, but may not like either Presidential (or Senate or whatever) candidate, and they decide not to pull that lever. The "undervote", as it is called, is a continuing theme in every contested NYC election.
4 posted on 04/16/2003 12:44:38 PM PDT by NYFriend
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To: lilylangtree
Can somebody mess with the software, though? That's been my biggest concern with computerized voting.
5 posted on 04/16/2003 12:46:24 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: areafiftyone
Kellner estimated that 80 percent of those votes would have gone for Democratic candidates.

If someone isn't smart enough to know how to vote, do we really want them to vote?...oh..I forgot...they are the Democrat Base.

6 posted on 04/16/2003 12:47:27 PM PDT by daffyduct
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To: areafiftyone
Democratic official admits that 80% of easily confused voters are Democrats.
7 posted on 04/16/2003 12:49:13 PM PDT by The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
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To: daffyduct
We have the old voting machines with the levers. Jeeze I learned in elementary school how to vote in the machine and that was in the 60's
8 posted on 04/16/2003 12:49:23 PM PDT by areafiftyone (The U.N. needs a good Flush!)
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To: areafiftyone
We have the infamous punch cards...I have never heard of or seen issues with hanging, pregnant, dimpled or otherwise molested chads in our area.

They were either fully in place or fully punched out.

9 posted on 04/16/2003 12:51:51 PM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Go Fast, Turn Left!)
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To: lilylangtree
Thus far, computerized voting seems to be working fine.

Without a paper trail accompanied by audits of randomly selected elections, how can one know?

10 posted on 04/16/2003 12:53:44 PM PDT by Mitchell
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To: Mitchell
The paper trail is the numbered ballot. Computerized in the sense that a ballot is slipped into the machine (much like a portable copier) and recorded on a chip. At the end of the voting period, the machine releases the number of votes which should correspond to the ballot books. Everything must add up at the end of the evening. The chip is removed, data taken and counted at central Elections HQ.
11 posted on 04/16/2003 12:58:25 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: Joe Whitey
I have never had any problems with the machines myself!
13 posted on 04/16/2003 1:00:38 PM PDT by areafiftyone (The U.N. needs a good Flush!)
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To: NYFriend
I think it may also mean that many feel compelled by union pressure to be seen showing up at the polls. The union thugs would monitor how they voted too, if they could figure a way. Many of these unions operate by handing out work opportunities to favored members -- not showing up to vote could cost a member a lot of money. Those who are annoyed with the union pressure and not thrilled with any of the candidates either, may well choose to go into the booth and not vote.
15 posted on 04/16/2003 1:19:57 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
LOL! So THAT'S why the fear of "machines".

16 posted on 04/16/2003 1:20:27 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: Mitchell
Nobody was ever concerned about punch cards that automatically show up in large boxes one hour before a precinct closes.

Funny how they are worried now that it takes some sort of hand-eye coordination to cast a vote.
17 posted on 04/16/2003 1:21:53 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: mewzilla
You better believe it! There have been allegations of software tampering already.
18 posted on 04/16/2003 1:26:17 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: NYFriend
I think it may also mean that many feel compelled by union pressure to be seen showing up at the polls. The union thugs would monitor how they voted too, if they could figure a way. Many of these unions operate by handing out work opportunities to favored members -- not showing up to vote could cost a member a lot of money. Those who are annoyed with the union pressure and not thrilled with any of the candidates either, may well choose to go into the booth and not vote.
19 posted on 04/16/2003 1:27:25 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: mewzilla
My biggest concern with computerized voting is that the masses can't possibly understand how it works, or follow any technical discussion of how it's kept secure, or of how an alleged problem is being effectively investigated. At least the masses THINK they understand the physical systems, and if they're concerned, they or someone they know can sign up to work on recounts like the Florida debacle. If they KNOW they can't understand a computerized system, they will be easily manipulated by unsavory political activists into believing that an election was "stolen", and quite possibly into reacting violently.
20 posted on 04/16/2003 1:32:57 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Joe Whitey
Yep. Sounds to me as though a large part of this "problem" is people who can't figure out how to work the machines -- and I've always been of the opinion that such people's votes shouldn't count (just like the ones who couldn't figure out the Palm Beach punch ballot). If people are too clueless to figure out how to vote, then how could they possibly have a meaningful opinion of which candidates will best represent their interests and values?
21 posted on 04/16/2003 1:35:56 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: areafiftyone
The shocking part about this article is that there are 5 Republicans in New York City!
22 posted on 04/16/2003 1:47:21 PM PDT by E=MC<sup>2</sup>
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To: areafiftyone
Kellner estimated that 80 percent of those votes would have gone for Democratic candidates.

 

So, if I'm reading this right, he's saying 80% of all morons are liberals?

23 posted on 04/16/2003 1:49:58 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Joe Whitey
It is more likely a few precinct workers went in and had a mad minute or three with the lever, and didn't get all the votes they expected.

Really people, there is a reason everything has to be done right and cross check on election day by the procedures. Guessing afterward what mythical people may have meant to do is an open invitation to fraud.

24 posted on 04/16/2003 6:44:19 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: lilylangtree
That sounds pretty reasonable. I'm much warier of completely computerized systems, where there are no paper ballots or the like that could be audited. You need some kind of protection against software bugs, whether accidental or on purpose.
25 posted on 04/16/2003 8:30:05 PM PDT by Mitchell
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To: mabelkitty
Nobody was ever concerned about punch cards that automatically show up in large boxes one hour before a precinct closes.

True enough. If the local officials are all corrupt, it's difficult to do anything about it.

But computerized systems still need some method for ensuring against accidental miscounting (software bugs) or intentional miscounting (back doors).

26 posted on 04/16/2003 8:33:36 PM PDT by Mitchell
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To: areafiftyone
The Republicans understand it's in their interest to keep voters confused," said Manhattan Democratic Commissioner Douglas Kellner, who spearheaded efforts to have the machines fixed.....Kellner estimated that 80 percent of those votes would have gone for Democratic candidates.

LOFL, this is some incredible candor coming from a scumbag Democrat!
He freely admits that Democrats are stupid and easily confused. He even sounds proud of it!

27 posted on 04/16/2003 8:39:40 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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