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Catholic Church asks Tom Daschle to stop calling himself a Catholic
Weekly Standard (via Matt Drudge) ^ | April 17, 2003 | SB00

Posted on 04/17/2003 9:36:31 AM PDT by SB00

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To: southernbychoice
The practice is rampant (it goes on in my own family, too), but it's still wrong.
51 posted on 04/17/2003 10:13:11 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
ROTFL!
52 posted on 04/17/2003 10:13:29 AM PDT by hobbes1 ( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: SB00
"has made him such a problem for ordinary churchgoers that the Church must deny him the use of the word "Catholic."

I submit that he has been such a problem for ordinary citizens of the United States that we must deny him use of the words "Human Being" and "Fellow Americans".

53 posted on 04/17/2003 10:15:04 AM PDT by dokmad
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To: SoDak
This is really impressive...Way to go!
54 posted on 04/17/2003 10:16:18 AM PDT by livius (Let slip the cats of conjecture!)
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To: SB00
Are we still permitted to call him a Daschole?
55 posted on 04/17/2003 10:16:21 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.)
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To: SB00
speechless bump
56 posted on 04/17/2003 10:16:29 AM PDT by swheats
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To: bruin66
Don't forget Lieberman...

The Catholic Church's history with Jews is forced conversion (or death), not ex-communication. My wife's family traced their lineage to Spain and the Inquisition where their Jewish surname suddenly changed to a Catholic surname.

57 posted on 04/17/2003 10:17:05 AM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: southernbychoice
Is it still the case that they should not receive communion? My father's marriage to my mother has never been annulled, yet he and his new wife joined a parish, and receive communion every week.

If the first marriage was not annulled, then he is still married to your mother. In which case his "new wife" is not his wife at all.

That's called "adultery," and people engaged in it are in a state of mortal sin. Taking communion in a state of sin is forbidden.

SD

58 posted on 04/17/2003 10:19:10 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: dokmad
I submit that he has been such a problem for ordinary citizens of the United States that we must deny him use of the words "Human Being" and "Fellow Americans". LOL!
59 posted on 04/17/2003 10:19:39 AM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: SoothingDave
[P]eople engaged in it are in a state of mortal sin.
Objectively, yes.
60 posted on 04/17/2003 10:21:09 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: eastsider
Agreed. There doesn't seem to be any consistency on from diocese to diocese. And not only on this subject. My six year old sister was confirmed last year. At six. She hasn't even made her first communion yet.
61 posted on 04/17/2003 10:22:15 AM PDT by southernbychoice
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To: eastsider
Objectively, yes. I can't speak to culpability, only to objective circumstances.

SD

62 posted on 04/17/2003 10:26:50 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: kylaka
I think Feinswine is Jewish, no?

If so, that's even a better reason not to call herself Catholic! The nerve!

63 posted on 04/17/2003 10:29:46 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Subvert the dominant cliche!)
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To: SB00; .45MAN; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; Antoninus; aposiopetic; ...
We passed out 25,000 of these Catholic Family Association of America Divine Mercy Prayer Project cards at the 2002 March For Life in Washington DC:

In addition, we had thousands more of these cards distributed directly to constituents in South Dakota, and hundreds of individuals downloaded the Divine Mercy Prayer Project PDF file to print out and pass out on their own.

We received pledges for 7000 hours of prayer for the conversion of Daschle.

Part of the Divine Mercy Prayer Card is a post card to Bishop Carlson too (see the text on the reverse side of the card above), and judging by the number of postcards returned to us, we assume Bishop Carlson received a commensurate amount of cards and pledges of prayer specifically for him, to have the strength to defend the faith.

Tim Chichester, President of the Catholic Family Association of America, has spoken directly to Bishop Carlson, and specifically recommended this type of interdict (just short of formal excommunication.)

Unfortunately, just the Divine Mercy Prayer Project for Senator Daschle (printing costs, shipping costs, etc.)exhausted all the financial and time reserves of our small pro-family grassroots Catholic organization. Yet judging by this development, its all been worth it!!!

Similar Divine Mercy Prayer Card PDF files are already prepared and ready for download, printing, and mass dissemination, if only some faithful individuals would take it upon themselves for each individual politician named on the subpage at http://www.cathfam.org/dmpp.html

Included at this link are prepared Divine Mercy Prayer Card PDF files all of the following:

Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD)
Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT)
Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA)
Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA)
Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME)
Sen. Christopher Dodd (D-CT)
Sen. Richard Durbin (D-IL)
Sen. Joseph Biden (D-DE)
Sen. John Kerry (D-MA)
Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA)
Sen. Barbara Milkulski (D-MD)
Sen. Patty Murray (D-WA)
Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI)
Gov. Tom Ridge (R-PA)
Gov. James E. McGreevey (D-NJ)
Gov. Gray Davis, (D-CA)
Gov. Jennifer Granholm (D-MI)
Gov. Kathleen Sebelius (D-KS)
Rep. John Baldacci (D-ME)
Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA)
Rep. Sherwood Boehlert (R-NY)
Rep. Robert Brady (D-PA)
Rep. Michael Capuano (D-MA)
Rep. William Clay (D-MO)
Rep. William Coyne (D-PA)
Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-OR)
Rep. William Delahunt (D-MA)
Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-CT)
Rep. Anna Eshoo (D-CA)
Rep. Lane Evans (D-Ill.)
Rep. Charles Gonzalez (D-TX)
Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-IL)
Rep. Maurice Hinchey (D-NY)
Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D-RI)
Rep. John Larson (D-CT)
Rep. Bill Luther (D-MN)
Rep. Edward Markey (D-MA)
Rep. Karen McCarthy (D-MO)
Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY)
Rep. James McGovern (D-MA)
Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-GA)
Rep. Marty Meehan (D-MA)
Rep. Robert Menendez (D-NJ)
Rep. George Miller (D-CA)
Rep. Connie Morella (R-MD)
Rep. Grace Napolitano (D-CA)
Rep. Frank Pallone (D-NJ)
Rep. William J. Pascrell (D-NJ)
Rep. Ed Pastor (D-AZ)
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA)
Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY)
Rep. Ciro Rodriguez (D-TX)
Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-CA)
Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-CA)
Rep. Jose Serrano (D-NY)
Rep. Ellen Tauscher (D-CA

Also included are links to Senate member anti-life records, House member anti- life records, and Gov Ridge's Record.

Finally, if you have not already done so, please sign our Canonical Petition to Interdict or Excommunicate Culture of Death "Catholics"

Please let us know if you are interested in spearheading a Divine Mercy Prayer Project for any of the other Culture of Death "Catholic" politicians noted above. Contact Us at Contact Us at info@CathFam.org

Thank you,

Dr. Brian Kopp (Polycarp)

Vice President, Catholic Family Association of America

64 posted on 04/17/2003 10:30:27 AM PDT by Polycarp
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To: SB00
So we can we send him a letter and ask him to start proclaiming what he actually is: A socialist.
65 posted on 04/17/2003 10:31:44 AM PDT by Beck_isright ("QUAGMIRE" - French word for "unable to find anyone to surrender to")
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To: SB00
Now, if only some rabbis would speak up and ask Hillary and Kerry to stop calling themselves Jewish.
66 posted on 04/17/2003 10:34:09 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: RAT Patrol
Thanks for the ping. I have been on a long campaign to deal with pro abortion demo-catholics. With the recent death of my wife I had an opportunity to speak with Archbishop Keleher in person. He supports this effort 100% as did Archbishop Strecker before him. He also has called for a Plenary council of American Bishops to take real action against pedophile priests.

The Souix Falls Bishop has the right idea on Tommy boy....The Boston Catholics have a long way to go IMHO. Rush just metioned this on the air as well.
67 posted on 04/17/2003 10:36:01 AM PDT by AdA$tra (Tagline maintenance in progress......)
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To: SoothingDave
That's called "adultery,"

Not very "soothing" Dave...LOL.
68 posted on 04/17/2003 10:40:51 AM PDT by AdA$tra (Tagline maintenance in progress......)
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To: AdA$tra
I have been on a long campaign to deal with pro abortion demo-catholics.

See my post # 64. Care to help?

69 posted on 04/17/2003 10:40:58 AM PDT by Polycarp
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To: CaptainJustice
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!

Some Bishops are standing up and doing the right thing!

Weygard, Chaput, and -- well, whoever this guy is -- have gotten Gold Stars so far!

70 posted on 04/17/2003 10:40:59 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (okay, so that's not the best picture in the world but who am I, Holbein??)
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To: floriduh voter
Ping
71 posted on 04/17/2003 10:42:08 AM PDT by SoDak
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To: CaptainJustice; MHGinTN
[Cardinal Ratzinger's] Doctrinal Note marks at least the beginning of the end of the Vatican's toleration of what the pope's biographer George Weigel has called "Cuomoism" in the American Church: the effort to finesse abortion by declaring oneself personally opposed but politically supportive of laws allowing abortion. Catholics have a "duty to be morally coherent," the Doctrinal Note declares, and the Catholic fight on the life issues--abortion, euthanasia, and cloning--is not some merely prudential question, to be decided by political give and take. The Catholic Church doesn't take political positions--except when politics intrudes into something, like the right to life, that ought to be beyond the power of politicians.

The "duty to be morally coherent" simply means that you can't have it both ways. Which ought to put a real crimp in the style of certain Democrat politicans who call themselves "Catholic," notably including that monumental casuist, Mario Cuomo. Following Cuomo's example, many of his fellow Dems (and some Pubblies, too) think they can get away with speaking "out of both sides of their mouth." Truly I hope the pressure from the bishop makes Daschle squirm. He's got it coming, and he owes his constituents some clear evidence of personal integrity -- or not, as the case may be.

Thanks for this notable post, CaptainJustice.

72 posted on 04/17/2003 10:43:51 AM PDT by betty boop (God bless America. God bless our troops.)
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To: sinkspur
YEEESSSSS....You are correct....this is going to get VERY INTERESTING....we are living on the cusp of change, I'll tell you.....finally, the paradigm shift is going to the RIGHT!!!!!!(hope, hope)
73 posted on 04/17/2003 10:45:09 AM PDT by goodnesswins (CNN...the MOST TRUSTED in News......by CRIMINALS!)
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To: SB00
It would be one thing is the bishop had said that he does not consider Daschle to be Catholic. It is another for him to demand that Daschle comport his speech to the bishop's views. That strikes me as well, un-American. I suspect the bishop is getting beyond himself here, and that most Americans don't agree with his action, including Catholics.
74 posted on 04/17/2003 10:45:13 AM PDT by Torie
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To: Polycarp
Thanks for the Ping, Polycarp.

A Blessed Easter to you and your family.

TM
75 posted on 04/17/2003 10:45:24 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: southernbychoice
Last year, after asking me about divorce/remarriage/communion, my first cousin chided me for speaking the Catholic truth, telling me that his pastor had told him it was okay. When I asked him if it was the same pastor who had just been removed in a scandal-related incident, he quickly changed the subject.
76 posted on 04/17/2003 10:46:05 AM PDT by eastsider
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To: Torie
No...I think it's about whether you can SAY you are a Catholic and BEHAVE differently (from Catholicism). Like...I'm for partial birth abortion, and I'm a Catholic. Sounds like this bishop gets it....and no one is interfering with little Tommie's First Amendment Speech rights....there just telling him there are CONSEQUENCES!
77 posted on 04/17/2003 10:47:55 AM PDT by goodnesswins (CNN...the MOST TRUSTED in News......by CRIMINALS!)
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To: sinkspur
"Things could get very interesting for Catholic Democrats."

He he he.

78 posted on 04/17/2003 10:48:03 AM PDT by Theresa
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To: SoothingDave
Taking communion in a state of sin is forbidden.

I guess you meant unrependent sin, didn't you? We are all in a state of sin.
79 posted on 04/17/2003 10:48:45 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: SB00
Wow, good for his home diocese!
80 posted on 04/17/2003 10:49:22 AM PDT by k2blader (Pity people paralyzed in paradigms of political perfection.)
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To: Onelifetogive
The Catholic Church's history with Jews is forced conversion (or death

Uh-huh. That's why the majority of the world's Jews lived and thrived in Catholic Europe from the days of the Roman Empire until the pagans invaded Poland in 1939.

Grow up and do some reading.

81 posted on 04/17/2003 10:49:27 AM PDT by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: All
Hmmm...just had an interesting thought...are the academics next? (Like Billybob suggested elsewhere?)
82 posted on 04/17/2003 10:49:53 AM PDT by goodnesswins (CNN...the MOST TRUSTED in News......by CRIMINALS!)
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To: Torie; hobbes1; dubyaismypresident
that most Americans don't agree with his action, including Catholics

to the contrary, TRUE catholics will approve heartily. the catholics in name only, of which Daschle is one, of course, they will disapprove.

83 posted on 04/17/2003 10:50:01 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: plain talk
Incorrect. God's grace removes sin.
84 posted on 04/17/2003 10:50:08 AM PDT by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: SB00
Yawn.

The day they kick the Kennedys out of the Church is the day I'll sit up and take notice.

My old girlfriend in college who attended a catholic high school in Tulsa told me that the merest mention of the name "Kennedy" in school assembly--and it got mentioned a lot--brought all the nuns to their feet, applauding.
85 posted on 04/17/2003 10:50:14 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Polycarp
Care to help?

I will check into it. My Father-in-law was passing out flyers on pro-abortion politicians outside his Parish last prior to last November's elections. He was surprised when a gentleman rolled down his window to accept a flyer. It was "new" Catholic Senator Sam Brownback(R) Kansas.

Speaking of "new" Catholics, I heard that Tony Blair is preparing to convert as soon as his term as PM has expired. I guess his wife and children are Catholic.
86 posted on 04/17/2003 10:50:25 AM PDT by AdA$tra (Tagline maintenance in progress......)
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To: Coleus
IT'S ABOUT TIME!! Let's not stop with Dashole, let's call Kennedy, etc. forward to be counted.
87 posted on 04/17/2003 10:50:33 AM PDT by caisson71
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To: SB00; All
...With Friends of HILLARY...

...DASCHLE being called the FRANCE of the U.S. Senate,

...KERRY its GERMANY...

...and WALTER CRONKITE's being exposed as the Anti-U.S. Internationalist that he has always been:


.."IS it SAFE?" = HILLARY on Armed Services Committee..

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=629
88 posted on 04/17/2003 10:50:36 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com ..,)
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To: Torie
The law recognizes that one does not have a free speech right to package a turd and sell it as a brownie.

Some bishops are finally addressing this scandal.

Amen.
89 posted on 04/17/2003 10:51:01 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Torie
You suspect wrong.
90 posted on 04/17/2003 10:51:27 AM PDT by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: SB00
WOW!!!!

Now when are they going to send Teddy Kennedy a letter?
91 posted on 04/17/2003 10:51:32 AM PDT by Mo1 (I'm a monthly Donor .. You can be one too!)
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To: goodnesswins
Er what are the consequences? It seems to me the consequence is a demand that Daschle comport his speech to the bishop's wishes. It is an empty exercise.
92 posted on 04/17/2003 10:51:43 AM PDT by Torie
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To: AdA$tra
Interesting. It's been legal for the Prime Minister to be a Catholic since 1931, I believe.
93 posted on 04/17/2003 10:52:31 AM PDT by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: caisson71

CHURCH & TRUTH PROJECT

STOP GRANHOLM
& ALL PRO-ABORTION 'CATHOLIC' POLITICIANS

A challenge to American Bishops to "explain, persuade, correct and admonish those in leadership positions who contradict the Gospel of life through their actions and policies."

-- Living the Gospel of Life: A Challenge to American Catholics,  Issued by the USCCB, Nov. 19, 1998

"I am
100 percent pro-choice"
I support
"partial birth
abortions"
"I have taken a line with respect to being pro-choice in a Catholic church"

Meet
the
"Deadly
Dozen"

-- Gov. Jennifer Granholm

Gov. Granholm attends fund-raiser for St. Bede Catholic Church:
Picket held outside called big success

Click here to view photos from this picket.

With less than 24 hours notice, sixteen members of the Church and Truth Project attended a picket on Apr. 13, 2003 at the home of Mary Mulhern, Gov. Jennifer Granholm's mother-in-law. The Sunday evening picket was held in response to a dinner attended by Gov. Granholm and hosted by Mary Mulhern as a fund-raiser for St. Bede parish in Southfield.

The picketers lined up directly across the street and were quite visible to all who entered the Mulhern home. They held aloft two banners as well as signs with messages directed at Gov. Granholm and posters of abortion victims.

A few attending the fundraiser crossed the street to chat with the picketers and voiced their support and two were nearly in tears over the scandal. Monica Migliorino Miller, the director of the Church & Truth Project and the sponsor of the picket, was encouraged by the support. "This show of support is very edifying," she said. The picketers also distributed a few pieces of literature to those attending the dinner.

The State police were called out and were very cordial and did not interfere with the picket in any way--much to the dismay of a few of those attending the fundraiser who hoped they would send the picketers packing.

Miller thought this was one the the best pickets the group has sponsored yet. "First, we were able to gather a decent-sized group on very short notice. The picket was orderly and our message was focused on a very definite audience who could not ignore our message--including Granholm," she said.

"We also gave a good witness to church-going Catholics and showed that we have every intention of making an issue out of pro-abortion public figures who try to pass themselves off as Christians in good standing with the Church--all the while supporting a holocaust against the unborn," she added.

This is not the first time members St. Bede have been involved with the pro-abortion Granholm. On November 3, 2003, Rev. Lawrence A. Pettke of St. Bede publicly supported Jennifer Granholm in her gubernatorial campaign at a rally held at Straight Gate Church in Detroit, just two days before the election.

Rev. Pettke appeared on stage at the Sunday afternoon "Praise, Prayer & Prophecy For Michigan's Future" rally held at the church along with clergy from several other Detroit-area denominations and offered a "Prayer for Compassionate Leadership" on behalf of Granholm as the next governor of Michigan.

Rev. Pettke was also listed in the official worship program, which was paid for by the Michigan Democratic State Central Committee.

Rev. Pettke's attendance at the Democratic rally marked the third time a priest or group of priests in the Archdiocese of Detroit publicly defied Adam Cardinal Maida by supporting Granholm in her bid for governor.

Click here to read the full story about the November 2002 Democratic rally attended by Rev. Lawrence A. Pettke.

Click here to view photos from this picket.

 

________________________________________________________________________________
"I have to say clearly that anyone -- politician or otherwise -- who thinks it is acceptable for a Catholic to be pro-abortion is in very great error, puts his or her soul at risk and is not in good standing with the Church. Such a person should have the integrity to acknowledge this and choose of his own volition to abstain from receiving holy Communion until he has a change of heart."
                            -- Bishop William K. Weigand, Diocese of Sacramento, California                              


Church & Truth Project -- PO Box 5413 -- Plymouth, MI 48170
truthproject@htdconnect.com OR stopgranholm@soon.com

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94 posted on 04/17/2003 10:52:31 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: SB00; All
...With Friends of HILLARY...

...DASCHLE being called the FRANCE of the U.S. Senate,

...KERRY its GERMANY...

...and WALTER CRONKITE's being exposed as the Anti-U.S. Internationalist that he has always been:


.."IS it SAFE?" = HILLARY on Armed Services Committee..

http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=629
95 posted on 04/17/2003 10:52:54 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.LZXRAY.com ..,)
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To: Notwithstanding
I don't think the unfair trade practices act or the fraud laws apply here. If they do, this the bishop should sue in civil court. How long do you think that case would last?
96 posted on 04/17/2003 10:53:07 AM PDT by Torie
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To: Notwithstanding
http://www.stopgranholm.com/index.htm
97 posted on 04/17/2003 10:53:24 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: CFIIIMEIATP737
I support the troops, but I will criticize the commander-in-chief during a time of war?

Ridiculous comparison.

Anytime the US is at war no one can criticize the President?

98 posted on 04/17/2003 10:53:30 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children)
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To: Torie
It is another for him to demand that Daschle comport his speech to the bishop's views. That strikes me as well, un-American.

Look, Torie, I know you're pro-abortion, but I just lost some respect for you for this comment. Daschle claims to be Catholic and claims that his pro-abortion views and actions are not inconsistent with Catholicism, which they clearly are. If Daschle wants to make up his own standards for what Catholics should believe, he should keep them to himself, go find a religion he agrees with, whatever, but not attack the Church by misleading people into thinking it's okay to support abortion.

Your attack on this bishop is unnecessary, unwarranted and pure liberal demagoguery.

99 posted on 04/17/2003 10:53:34 AM PDT by JohnnyZ (okay, so that's not the best picture in the world but who am I, Holbein??)
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To: Torie
It's freedom of association. The diocese no longer wants to have their name associated with someone whose views are an contrary to their collectively stated views.
100 posted on 04/17/2003 10:53:40 AM PDT by SoDak
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