It's True: 'Liberals' Wanted Saddam to Beat U.S.

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[RetiredArmy]

It's True: 'Liberals' Wanted Saddam to Beat U.S.

Gary Kamiya, executive editor of the left-leaning Internet journal Salon, confirms what some Americans have suspected: Liberals were cheering for the enemy in Iraq, the Washington Times pointed out today in an item headlined "Cheering the enemy."

"I have a confession: I have at times, as the war has unfolded, secretly wished for things to go wrong," Kamiya wrote. "Wished for the Iraqis to be more nationalistic, to resist longer. Wished for the Arab world to rise up in rage. Wished for all the things we feared would happen. I'm not alone: A number of serious, intelligent, morally sensitive people who oppose the war have told me they have had identical feelings."

But surely, you object, these "serious, intelligent, morally sensitive" liberals couldn't possibly favor a mass-murdering, torture-loving dictator? Surely they couldn't agree with "Latino studies" assistant professor Nicholas De Genova, who told a cheering crowd of appeasement activists at Columbia University that he "would like to see a million Mogadishus." Think again.

More dead American troops would have been preferred to the "larger moral negative" of a victory that boosted President Bush's chances for re-election, according to the Salon big.

"Many antiwar commentators have argued that once the war started, even those who oppose it must now wish for the quickest, least-bloody victory followed by the maximum possible liberation of the Iraqi people," Kamiya wrote. "But there is one argument against this: What if you are convinced that an easy victory will ultimately result in a larger moral negative — four more years of Bush, for example, with attendant disastrous policies, or the betrayal of the Palestinians to eternal occupation, or more imperialist meddling in the Middle East or elsewhere?

"Wishing for things to go wrong is the logical corollary of the postulate that the better things go for Bush, the worse they will go for America and the rest of the world."

Thus goes the reasoning at Salon, which is moderate compared to the hateful rantings of some U.S. leftists.

How ironic that the more these "liberals" reveal themselves to America, the more they boost a president they so despise.

[RetiredArmy]

Well, there it is boys and girls for all the world to see. The left wanted us to lose all along. They admit it.

[kylaka]

I can guarantee not one of these liberals had a son or daughter in Iraq.

[kcordell]

This is one order I would disobey and take the consequences. I will carry to my grave the pride I took wearing my dress blues 30 some odd years ago. The General can never take that away.

[mystery-ak]

IOW's they wished my hubby and son dead....what can I say?

[Falcon4.0]

So great is their hatred of Republican/Conservatives that they would rather see 10's of thousands, even millions of people murdered by a dictator, than to see Republican Ideas prevail.

[Psycho_Bunny]

I think it's unfair to paint "liberals" with that brush. I live in downtown Seattle, and am surrounded by liberal freaks but I couldn't honestly say that I know one "liberal" who feels the same way as the person the author points out as an example.

Had the author used the word "Leftists" I would have agreed 100%.

There's a difference between "Conservatives" and "Right-Wingers" and there's a difference between "Liberals" and "Leftists".

In my mind anyway.

[PianoMan]

Someone bump the Salon deathwatch list. How's their stock doing now, anyway?

[kesg]

These people need professional help. Seriously.

[RoseofTexas]

Is this getting NATIONAL attention?? I debt it!

[Yankee]

I'm going to print this out and distribute it to every Vet, and active duty person that I know and their loved ones.

I'm especially going to give it to some senior citizen Vets that I know that still insist on voting for Democrats. (FDR/Truman Demos)

[RoseofTexas]

ooops..debt=doubt :)

[cowboyfred]

This was the real hope and purpose of the Vietnam era liberals as well. It didn't work for them this time.

[Tennessee_Bob]

"I have a confession: I have at times, as the war has unfolded, secretly wished for things to go wrong,"

Well, it's not a secret anymore. And once the word starts getting around and you start losing business, will you blame McCarthyism?

[MeekOneGOP]

Here is a link to the SF-IMC site where these FAR LEFT LIBERALS posted an actual pic (below) of one of their Support Saddam/Terrorists events recently and changed the image when I posted/linked it to an FR thread. The pic at the top of that link of 2 Allied Soldiers transporting a prisoner to Gitmo was what they changed it to . . .

These folks at San Francisco Indy-Media are terrorist supporters . . .

Oh, the lurkers on FR from SF-IMC CANNOT change that picture (above) now since it is hosted by FR friendly sources !

[Reagan is King]

What if you are convinced that an easy victory will ultimately result in a larger moral negative — four more years of Bush

The harder victory he wishes for would no doubt lead to more American troops dying in Iraq just so Bush might not be re-elected. How low can you get.

Yet another reason the hope for the total demise of Salon and the anti-war left. Although they live in this country, these people aren't Americans. I don't know what they are (besides scumbags!).

[RetiredArmy]

Well, then you are in the wrong place. I WORK in downtown Seattle. I have plenty of the military hating, conservative hating pukes working right here in this office I work in. They plead for the Klintons to come back. They bitch each and every day, I MEAN EVERY DAY, that Bush is not the president, that Algore won, that Patty Osamma Mamma Murray is the greatest and said nothing wrong, that Baghdad Jim McDemwit is the greatest and should be the next governor after our Red Chinese governor Locke has gone his way. They hate everything American, except the paychecks. They argue about every stinking dime, that someone else got more than them, but they still yep about the rich! @$$holes every stinking one of them.

[Psycho_Bunny]

lol...really? Where? I'm a computer programmer at WAC.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

How ironic that the more these "liberals" reveal themselves to America, the more they boost a president they so despise.

Amen!

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[Reagan is King]

Salon.com stock chart:

Currently 4 cents a share which is 4 cents more than it's worth.

[Toskrin]

or the betrayal of the Palestinians to eternal occupation

Is there anything that doesn't end up back at the Palestinians?

[Yankee]

As Limbaugh said about this on his program today:

"How stupid do you have to be to put this in print and sign your name to it?"

I hope they continue with this kind of crap. I doubt that a lot of mainstream Democrat voters are signing on to this nonsence.

If they continue with this idiocy, the 2004 election will make the Reagan '84 landslide look like a squeaker by comparison.

[Chuckster]

I just heard Rush read this item on the air.

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks for posting this. The Professional GW haters on the left and the so called far right hated to see us win.

I'm sure that in the privacy of their homes, they cheered when the two towers went down on 9/11/01!

You never hear these slim bags cheer the freed Iraqis. Or feel bad about mass Iraqi graves or terrible prison where even children were kept. You never hear them upset about the torture and mass murder commited by their buddies the Ba athists on innocent Iraqis.

[Grampa Dave]

I can't believe that Salon.com is going. What a POS venture it has been. It is typical of any business with libs in charge.

[uncbob]

They were overjoyed about the USA losing the Vietnam War also

[Political Junkie Too]

"One Million Mogadishu's."

-PJ

[RetiredArmy]

I'm across the street in One Union Square, 34th floor, scummy law firm.

[Mr. Mulliner]

They were overjoyed about the USA losing the Vietnam War also

Here's the problem as I see it. To these people every military conflict since Vietnam is another Vietnam, no matter how much the facts fly in the face of that ridiculous misconception.

[Mark17]

So great is their hatred of Republican/Conservatives that they would rather see 10's of thousands, even millions of people murdered by a dictator, than to see Republican Ideas prevail.

This is about what I expect from a bunch of pinko commies. I believe one day, we will have it out militarily with these slime bags, right here in our own land. I wish I could be more optimistic, but I am not.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Whether they admitted it or not, it was obvious. Their hate for Bush is a thousand times greater than and and professed feelings of love for the Iraqi people or distaste for Saddam's murderous regeime to such a point that they wanted THOUSANDS of American service men and women to die just to make Bush look bad.

[Paul Atreides]

Let us not forget the rat, Ellen Ratner, who said that she hopes that the war goes badly.

[RetiredArmy]

Yup. That bitch has a column in Worldnetdaily.com on Fridays called Liberal and Proud. I hold my nose while surfing that site on Fridays. She's puke.

[Pearls Before Swine]

I can guarantee not one of these liberals had a son or daughter in Iraq.

...nor at the WTC on 9/11.

[ez]

The left thinks four more years of Bush would be disastrous, but they are too myopic to realize that it would only be disastrous for themselves.

Every one else, including America, is prospering under Bush.

[Dark Wing]

This says what we talked about earlier.

[Vigilanteman]

I don't know what they are (besides scumbags!).

Fifth columnists.

[Psycho_Bunny]

You work for a law firm in Seattle? Are you insane?

Why don't you just stay at home and hit yourself on the foot with a hammer every 20 minutes?

I was a legal assistant for the General Counsel of Seafirst for 5 years. He wasn't bad at all but, damn, Seattle attorneys are the reason I'm a computer programmer and not an attorney.

[Kaslin]

There is a chatter in the political chatroom in sfwest.com who had a tagline up for a couple of days in where she said she hoped that 500,000 Americans would be killed and she thought that a suitcase with a nuclear bomb would be nice

[Reagan is King]

What a POS venture it has been. It is typical of any business with libs in charge.

Agreed Grampa Dave, liberals think it's immoral to make a profit, lol.

The unbelievable thing is that the con artists just got $800,000 more in financing from some sucker.

Salon gets new round of financing

[browardchad]

From your link:

The San Francisco-based media company also announced that 14 advertisers, including Mercedes-Benz and American Express, had signed contracts to purchase Salon's new "day pass" Intercept advertising unit. The day pass, which allows readers to access stories by watching a brief ad in lieu of becoming a subscriber, was launched on January 22nd.

I think Amex needs to be e-mailed a copy of this story. (Forget Mercedes-Benz)

[JoeSchem]

In the local 'alternative newspaper,' writer Tom Robbins (not to be confused with actor Tim except in ideology) was quoted saying much the same thing: that the US is a bully and he hoped that Saddam would beat us.

Doesn't matter that Saddam is a murderous-torturing bully over twenty-two million impoverished people, does it?

[Cannoneer No. 4]

That day will arrive in February, 2009, shortly before or immediately after Hillary's inauguration. I don't know how we can have it out militarily with those slimebags if the military works for them. Nobody is a bigger RKBA/Second Amendment supporter than I am, but this war in Iraq pretty well proves that fedayeen with AK-47's are militarily insignificant against American mechanized/armor units. We might not do much better.

[Uncle Miltie]

BTTT:

Gary Kamiya, executive editor of the left-leaning Internet journal Salon, confirms what some Americans have suspected: Liberals were cheering for the enemy in Iraq, the Washington Times pointed out today in an item headlined "Cheering the enemy."

"I have a confession: I have at times, as the war has unfolded, secretly wished for things to go wrong," Kamiya wrote. "Wished for the Iraqis to be more nationalistic, to resist longer. Wished for the Arab world to rise up in rage. Wished for all the things we feared would happen. I'm not alone: A number of serious, intelligent, morally sensitive people who oppose the war have told me they have had identical feelings."

[SpyGuy]

"The unbelievable thing is that the con artists [Salon.com] just got $800,000 more in financing from some sucker."

You're assuming that the "sucker" was looking at this as a business investment instead of a political investment. More likely, it was some rich liberal (or group of liberals) who want Salon.com to keep pumping out it's Leftist propaganda. They don't expect to make a financial profit; they expect to make a political profit (just like buying campaign advertising).

Besides, when the stock tanks, the investors get to write off the financial loss on their taxes. That means that, ultimately, it's the taxpayers that wind up footing the bill for this propaganda machine.

[kcordell]

Sorry, I posted on wrong thread.

[SpyGuy]

"this war in Iraq pretty well proves that fedayeen with AK-47's are militarily insignificant against American mechanized/armor units. We might not do much better."

One significant difference is the will of the fighters. In Gulf War II, the vast majority of Iraq's military did not believe in their cause (protecting Saddam), whereas the vast majority of the US military did believe in our cause. Morale and "will to fight" are HUGE factors in the effectiveness of any military.

Now, let's suppose you are correct and the Federal Government, under some Leftist like Hillary, orders the US military to wage war against Americans (which I doubt will happen--see my next post). The roles will be reversed: the freedom-loving American citizens will be very determined to fight, even to the death, whereas the US soldiers will likely not be committed to killing fellow (conservative) citizens. In fact, we could probably expect a large number--perhaps an overwhelming majority--of the military forces to disobey orders or even turn on the decision makers.

[SpyGuy]

"[A US civil war] will arrive in February, 2009, shortly before or immediately after Hillary's inauguration."

I disagree, although sometimes, I think that may be the only way to restore freedom in the US. The reason this won't happen is that, while Communists achieve totalitarianism through violent revolution, the Socialists are more patient and insidious. The Socialists achieve totalitarianism by the "silent" invasion of our schools, our governments, our judiciaries, and our social institutions. They disguise their true agendas and mask their true identities. They take advantage of the ignorance, complacency, and greed of the masses to gain power and control.

Yes, there are Communist revolutionaries in America: people who would like to quickly and violently overthrow our form of government. But they are the fringe element. The more dangerous--and vastly more widespread and powerful--are the Socialists who every day are patiently chipping away at America's Constitution, sovereignty, and way of life. These are people you know: Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Lee, Maxine Waters, Henry Waxman, etc. These people are the malignant cancer that's metastasizing through the body politic. They intend to achieve totalitarian revolution--and will likely do so--without having to fire a shot.

[Anamensis]

I knew this months ago. It's all about Bush and their hatred of capitalism, conservativism, and Israel. These folks are mostly communists, whether they admit it or not. And communists have never shrunk from mass-murder. Why should they hesitate to support a brutal dictator and hope for the slaughter of our soldiers?

[Anamensis]

Well, y'all, look on the bright side. Dubya WILL win in 2004, the GOP will gain more seats, and if you think these folks are wretched now, 2005 will finding them swinging gently from rafters, and leaping off of bridges and ledges in droves. (Not that I'd ever look forward to such a tragic thing, of course!)

Heh heh heh...

[Cannoneer No. 4]

"Between two types of men who seek to create inconsistent kinds of worlds, I see no alternative but force. It seems all societies rest upon the death of men." I don't know who said that, but I think it accurately describes the situation we have between the Leftist/Liberal/Marxist-Leninist/Anti-Capitalist/Naderite/Tree-huggin', fur coat spray-paintin', Free Mumia-hollerin' Nebuchadnezzar Division of the Democratic Guard and the Conservative/Libertarian/Constitutionalist patriotic Americans.

I have little faith in the Republican Party. I think they will blow the 2008 election, and when the Clintonistas get back in they will make sure they are NEVER out of power again. I do not think I am alone in that assessment, thus my prediction that we will have it out militarily with these slime bags around Inauguration Day, 2009, when it becomes brutally obvious that there is no alternative. I am not particularly optimistic that right will prevail in that struggle. I fear that the whole concept of an armed citizenry being the reset button on the Constitution has been overtaken by events and technology. The Fedayeen Saddam were highly motivated, suicidally so, but their motivation availed them little against M1 Abrams and Bradleys and AAV's and thermal imagery and highly trained, body armor clad soldiers and Marines. The same or even more advanced technologies and skill sets that conquered Iraq could be turned on us by the Hillary regime, and by that time all we could do is choose to die on our feet rather than live on our knees.