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College Football:Female kicker can't try out for football team
The Cincinnati Enquirer ^ | April 19, 2003 | AP staff writer

Posted on 04/19/2003 10:11:47 AM PDT by yankeedame

Saturday, April 19, 2003

Female kicker can't try out for football team

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By The Associated Press

MINNEAPOLIS - Minnesota's football team barred the younger sister of former kicker Dan Nystrom from trying out.

"It's men's college football, and it is not a co-ed sport," assistant athletic director Tim Allen told the Star Tribune of Minneapolis.

Mary Nystrom didn't return phone messages left by The Associated Press on Friday. Dan Nystrom could not be reached for comment.

Mary, a junior, followed her brother as a kicker in high school and wanted to try to do the same in college after spotting the football team's ad seeking a "quality kicker/punter."

The Gophers aren't obligated to give her a tryout because schools can prohibit women from participating in men's contact sports. Once a woman is allowed to participate, she must be treated equally.

Last year, New Mexico's Katie Hnida became the first woman to play in an NCAA Division I-A game when her extra-point attempt was blocked against UCLA in the Las Vegas Bowl.

Other teams have had women on their rosters.

"I'm a little disappointed," Mary Nystrom told the newspaper. "I don't know why I couldn't (try out). But I'm not going to fight it. It's not that big a deal."

Nystrom said more than 20 kickers showed up for the tryout. She said she was allowed to kick on her own, without being part of the official tryout.

She said she can make kicks from 40 yards.


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I wonder if we'll be hearing from the NOW gang about this? (No, I'm not holding my breath, or betting the farm.)
1 posted on 04/19/2003 10:11:47 AM PDT by yankeedame
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To: yankeedame
Good Lord, woman can be allowed into combat, cops, firefighting to the detriment of themselves, their coworkers and the necessary social institutions that once held standards up, BUT THEY CAN'T GET ON A FRICKIN' FOOTBALL TEAM! Oooooooookay...whatever.
2 posted on 04/19/2003 10:33:33 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: yankeedame
What these schools should do is open up football tryouts to women. They could then treat football as a co-ed sport and wouldn't have to cut so many other men's sports to comply with Title 9.
3 posted on 04/19/2003 10:50:45 AM PDT by TexRef
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To: TexRef
What these schools should do is open up football tryouts to women

Sure, works for me. let's eliminate the gender aspect from ALL college sports. Men on the women's vollyball team. Men on the woman's basketball team. Hey, woman are the same as men (except for that annoying "give birth" thing). Since sports are still somewhat based on winning, how many women would be left on a "gender-blind" rugby or soccer team that wanted to win?

Obviously God violated the feminist agenda when He made womyn less phyically strong than men. My My My.

4 posted on 04/19/2003 10:56:05 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: yankeedame
I hope my team finds a good place kicker for this season, I don't care what the gender.
5 posted on 04/19/2003 10:58:27 AM PDT by putupon (I smack Chirac and Robbins too w/ my shoe.)
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To: TexRef; TalBlack
Why not have a single varisty team in each sport, rather than 'separate but equal' programs for men & women?

Meanwhile, if a man cannot play golf on the Wellesley team, why should women be allowed in the Masters??

6 posted on 04/19/2003 10:59:54 AM PDT by dodger
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To: yankeedame
I say give her a chance. Let her skills speak for themselves.
7 posted on 04/19/2003 11:01:44 AM PDT by rintense (Freedom is contagious. And everyone wants to catch it.)
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To: freedumb2003
Why don't you read my entire post next time instead of just the first sentence?

My point is that under Title 9 football causes a lot of men's sports to be cut, since there are so many members on a football team.

If they allowed women to tryout, perhaps they would count football as a co-ed sports. And we realize that most women would not be able to compete in football at all -- maybe as kickers, that's about it.

I agree that Title 9 is moronic, but it's the law right now and it doesn't look to be changing anytime soon.

8 posted on 04/19/2003 11:02:09 AM PDT by TexRef
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To: TalBlack
Yeah let's put her on the football team where she can have her t*ts sqaushed or smeared into the playing field by the six 250 lb linemen that takle her.

Think before you type.

9 posted on 04/19/2003 11:02:10 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: yankeedame
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/896352/posts
10 posted on 04/19/2003 11:10:54 AM PDT by Deadeye Division
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To: AAABEST
Hey she is the one that wants to try out. Why not let her get he T*TS smashed if she wants too? Where is your sense of "fairness" ?
11 posted on 04/19/2003 11:16:52 AM PDT by sausageseller
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To: putupon
"I don't care what the gender."

I think you mean, "I don't care what sex."
12 posted on 04/19/2003 11:25:30 AM PDT by jbstrick (Behold the Power of CHEESE!)
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To: sausageseller
Title IX is ruining all of college athletics, and high school athletics....can't you all see this? and for those people who talk about fairness......why can't a guy play softball at Vasser? or why can't a guy be a center on a high school girls basketball team??? when title IX was going through, the college football coaches association warned all the lawmakers as to what would happen...but they did it anyway....what people have to understand is that these sports DON"T MAKE ANY MONEY....so where's the only place they can go ? football and basketball...take it to the bank baby....
13 posted on 04/19/2003 11:27:47 AM PDT by splitveer
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To: AAABEST
Yeah, she's the one that wants to try out. I say let her. Do men have some kind of noble duty to to stop women from playing football? Besides, it will be fun to see how she handles a blocked punt.

14 posted on 04/19/2003 11:35:22 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (California wine beats French wine in blind taste tests. Boycott French wine.)
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To: TalBlack
No wonder they riot up there.
15 posted on 04/19/2003 12:00:48 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: rintense
I agree with you. Let her kick the football.

Who knows, she might be really good. Maybe she has been underestimating her own abilities.

16 posted on 04/19/2003 12:04:36 PM PDT by ex-Texan (primates capitulards toujours en quete de fromage!)
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To: TexRef
>>What these schools should do is open up football tryouts to women. They could then treat football as a co-ed sport and wouldn't have to cut so many other men's sports to comply with Title 9.<<

You read my mind.
17 posted on 04/19/2003 12:07:59 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (This tagline has been banned.)
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To: sausageseller
As long as she can stand up to the drills, let her play. I would bet the whining would start after the first day of drill.
18 posted on 04/19/2003 12:14:03 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: freedumb2003
when He made womyn less phyically strong than men

Correction: He made SOME women less physically strong than SOME men.

There are doubtlessly some women who are stronger than some men. Let her play with the boys. But also let the boys play with the girls. Soon ALL the girls, and MOST of the white guys, will be spectators, not players.

19 posted on 04/19/2003 12:15:06 PM PDT by Black Bart
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To: rintense
Why do you object to gender discrimination in sports?
20 posted on 04/19/2003 12:17:13 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: yankeedame
I say let her become a kicker.

Then the male holder can pull the football out from under her... AAAAUGH!!

21 posted on 04/19/2003 12:19:13 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: yankeedame
The Gophers aren't obligated to give her a tryout because schools can prohibit women from participating in men's contact sports.

But, I thought kickers didn't get tackled.

The Canadian Hockey League had a woman goalie who could repel the snot off a penguin.

22 posted on 04/19/2003 12:31:37 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: rintense
If you allow women to be kickers in football, you are taking away the job of an illegal immigrant who snuck over the border to take the job of being a kicker. Your view is anti-immigrant. It is the job of our proud kickers to take away the jobs of americans, not the other way around. Whats next, soon we'll require our kickers to actually know the rules of football? Maybe even go so far as to require them to speak english? This jingoism is scary.
23 posted on 04/19/2003 12:37:38 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant".)
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To: Black Bart
Correction: He made SOME women less physically strong than SOME men.

Correction to the correction:He made MOST women less physically strong than most men

There are still lots of white athletes, so they won't be riding the pine any more or less with or without women "athletes."

24 posted on 04/19/2003 12:43:17 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: yankeedame
If Rick Neuheisel had let Katie Hnida kick in ( I recall ) 1999 CU would have likely beat Nebraska. We would have never lived that down.
25 posted on 04/19/2003 12:48:50 PM PDT by Newbomb Turk (GO HUSKERS)
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To: yankeedame
"I'm going into education, and one of the things I believe in is encouraging kids of all ages, male and female, to try stuff -- whether you're nervous or scared or if you don't think you have a possibility of making it,'' she said.

oh, yeah, does she sound like a real terrible person, now doesn't she?

geesh....

26 posted on 04/19/2003 12:49:00 PM PDT by cherry
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To: yankeedame
I applaud Minnesota for making the right decision. There must come a time when we realize that men and women are different and that we can and should acknowledge that difference in public policy. Just because someone is physically able to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do.

WFTR
Bill

27 posted on 04/19/2003 1:22:48 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: TexRef
Why don't you read my entire post next time instead of just the first sentence?

Sorry -- I wasn't impugning your post, rather augmenting it. Yours is a good point and a good way to kill Title IX once and for all. If everything was trans-gender then Title IX would have nothing upon which to place its hat.

Sorry -- next time I'll credit your very good suggestion before launching on my diatribe.

28 posted on 04/19/2003 1:38:54 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: yankeedame
If this were a pro team, or some Pop Warner deal with a bunch of teenagers, I'd say give her a chance. If there's any position in which a female would face zero threat from other more powerful players that could potentially hurt her by accident, it's a place kicker. I'd say let her try, and if she was any good, let her go for it.

But given the amount of living hell and destroyed dreams the feminist groups and the federal government has forced down the throats of men's Division I collge sports in the name of the Almighty Title IX, utterly annihilating many of them in the process (example: WVU was just forced by the Title IX Feminazis to drop five sports ENTIRELY: Women's gymnastics, women's tennis, men's tennis, the rifle team and men's track, purely in order to conform to the federal government's demand of "equality of RESULT" in the ratio of males to females participating in on-campus sports), I can't say I feel to bad about a single female at another school getting a taste of what her so-called saviors in the NOW crowd have done to her.

29 posted on 04/19/2003 2:23:01 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: Tribune7
I don't. If you have the skills, you should get a shot, regardless of your sex. Of course, I have history. I wanted to be the place kicker on our high school team, but the coach- my softball coach, said hell no because he didn't want me to get hurt and not play softball. I was the only girl to ever kick a 30 yard field goal in powderpuff (I was also the quarterback).
30 posted on 04/19/2003 3:27:36 PM PDT by rintense (Freedom is contagious. And everyone wants to catch it.)
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To: Sonny M
LOL!
31 posted on 04/19/2003 3:27:56 PM PDT by rintense (Freedom is contagious. And everyone wants to catch it.)
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To: rintense
If you have the skills, you should get a shot, regardless of your sex.

Then you do object to gender discrimination in sports. So, why am I ineligibile for a full scholarship to the girls field hockey team?

32 posted on 04/19/2003 4:16:50 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
So, why am I ineligibile for a full scholarship to the girls field hockey team?

These teams should always cull the best human, not male/female.

Having said that, it should work both ways. I would have made a pretty good point guard on my HS girls' basketball team, and I would have batted .700 on the softball team instead of .300 for the baseball team.

34 posted on 04/19/2003 4:29:02 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: Tribune7
Do you play field hockey? I suggest you try out and see. When I was in high school, we had a girl playing goalie on the hockey team, and a guy trying out for volleyball. That was in the mid 80s.
35 posted on 04/19/2003 4:31:22 PM PDT by rintense (Freedom is contagious. And everyone wants to catch it.)
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To: AAABEST
"Yeah let's put her on the football team where she can have her t*ts sqaushed or smeared into the playing field by the six 250 lb linemen that takle her."

LMAO...

Can I nominate Gloria Allred?

36 posted on 04/19/2003 4:34:09 PM PDT by F16Fighter (Democrats -- The Party of Stalin and Chiraq)
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To: Senator Pardek; rintense
Actually, gender discrimination makes a whole lot of sense in team sports. It's just that the idiot feminists -- rintense I do not mean you -- think the door should swing just one way.

In most cases, its best one should just check their ego -- in this case the ladies -- and let things be.

37 posted on 04/19/2003 4:39:28 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: rintense
That's high school. I want to be eligible for a full scholarship to a college team. :-)
38 posted on 04/19/2003 4:41:16 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: rintense
The trouble with guys trying out for field hockey is the fact they have to wear skirts for uniformity...I can't speak for today's boys, but in the mid-60's when I was a teenager a guy doing that couldn't have come back to school and survived...not ever. Of course, when I was in high school we didn't have girls varsity programs and we somehow managed to to scrape by without starting World War III...
39 posted on 04/19/2003 5:31:30 PM PDT by IrishBrigade12
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To: Senator Pardek; nunya bidness
I would have made a pretty good point guard on my HS girls' basketball team

That's kinda gay.

40 posted on 04/19/2003 5:44:19 PM PDT by LurkerNoMore!
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To: Timesink
"...I can't say I feel to bad about a single female at another school getting a taste of what her so-called saviors in the NOW crowd have done to her."

Ditto that. Look, I'm not saying we girls shouldn't be treated as equals, but sometimes forcefully injecting girls into EVERYTHING means no one ends up with ANYTHING. Men AND women lose. I applaud Minnesota's decision; now maybe the school and student body can look into a separate-but-equal alternative for female students. I no more want to see girls on college football teams than I want to see guys waiting tables at Hooters. It's political correctness run amok.
41 posted on 04/19/2003 5:54:27 PM PDT by TXBlair (CWOs Williams and Young: Welcome back to Fort Hood!!)
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To: LurkerNoMore!
1. HS-aged Pardek

2. HS girls' locker room

3. Ambulance for one

42 posted on 04/19/2003 5:56:21 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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To: TXBlair
I'm not saying we girls shouldn't be treated as equals,

When people hear "equality," normal people generally understand it to mean political rights or equal recognition for equal accomplishment, and I think everybody on this forum agrees those are good things.

But gender discrimination is not always bad and its certainly a lot different than race discrimination which is basically always bad.

Seperate public bathrooms for blacks and whites is disgraceful. Seperate public bathrooms for men and women is strongly supported by all but the flakes.

43 posted on 04/19/2003 6:20:21 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: rintense
I used to love powder puff football! In my high school, the juniors would play against the seniors and this game was watched by the entire school.
44 posted on 04/19/2003 6:22:07 PM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Arpege92
Same here! I was proud to lead the juniors over the seniors, and the next year over the juniors. It was the first time in 18 years a class repeated as champs. What a great time that was...
45 posted on 04/19/2003 6:23:13 PM PDT by rintense (Freedom is contagious. And everyone wants to catch it.)
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To: yankeedame
Problem with this whole thing is that sooner or later, with the liberal idiots in charge at all the universities, they'll have to let the females kick from a "woman's" tee--10 yards closer. Can't hurt their self-esteem, can we?

And the proof is this chowderhead's statement, made with no apparent irony, that she can actually kick from FORTY WHOLE YARDS! WOW!

There are at least 18 thousand male kickers in high school today who can kick from more than 40 friggin' yards! Hey, if a female can keep up--with absolutely no artificial advantage--then more power to her, of course.

But wouldn't it be exciting if Clintonism invaded college football, as it has many other activities?

46 posted on 04/19/2003 8:54:12 PM PDT by Husker8877
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To: Husker8877
Problem with this whole thing is that sooner or later, with the liberal idiots in charge at all the universities, they'll have to let the females kick from a "woman's" tee--10 yards closer. Can't hurt their self-esteem, can we?

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You've got that right, neighbor! Can anyone say "US military academies", "female cadets" and "gender-norming"?

47 posted on 04/19/2003 9:27:42 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it, but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: LurkerNoMore!; Senator Pardek
So gay.
48 posted on 04/19/2003 10:07:03 PM PDT by nunya bidness (caspera)
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To: nunya bidness
Second!
49 posted on 04/20/2003 12:39:39 AM PDT by LurkerNoMore!
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To: yankeedame
Ok, so it's a men's college team, not coed. Is there a women's college football team? I suspect not. Perhaps there isn't enough interest among female students. But is that the fault of this young woman? In the absence of an alternative, she asked to try out -- read: not necessarily to play, but to be evaluated as to whether she was good enough to do so -- and was not permitted to do so because (to put it crudely) she pees sitting down. This is simply wrong, no two ways about it.
50 posted on 02/18/2004 11:57:16 PM PST by Karyn M. PhD
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